Smug liberals will be condescending regardless of who wins any election.
Don’t worry. I’m going to start rounding up the non-voters.
Eh, it’s not like USA presidential election is based on a majority vote anyway. Electoral college and all that shit
If you vote democrat no matter what they do (and voting in spite of the current regime committing a genocide communicates that you will do exactly that), they have no incentive to take your interests at heart, and will move in the direction of the interests of the highest bidder. And this is an observable effect: fairly consistently throughout the years (and this goes back to at least Clinton), the policies and positions of the dems are exactly those of the republicans four years ago, aside from some meaningless posturing and vibes. Look at where we are with the border wall for example, or the children in cages at the border (more now than under Trump), or abortion (FOUR years of a dem president, and nothing has been done, despite promises).
You vote blue no matter who people are flushing your democracy down the drain. For the love of god, make your vote count and vote for something for a change. Vote Jill Stein or Cornell West. Or if you like murdering tens of thousands of innocent children (as we’ve done under the Biden regime), vote Kamala “most lethal fighting force in the world” Harris. If you’re lucky, you might be paying for the murder of Iranian children next.
The old “if you’re not with us then you’re against us” position. How about the dems adopt policies that inspire people to vote for them.
Not jailing women for miscarriages is not enough?
The difference between the Dems and republicans is one pretends to represent everyone equally, the other does not. Both need to make their capitalist masters happy.
That being said. Dems are doing harm less quickly than the republicans are, so vote for them.
It is better to be feared in politics than to make people admire or love you. When people are worried about “What if the other guy gets in?” instead of “When the dude I want gets in, what what will they do for us all?” it allows the slow ratchet towards autocratic shitheads like Trump.
So…. What has any 3rd party candidate done to earn your vote?
What has any 3rd party candidate done to even prove that have the ability to do jack shit if they were to accidentally get elected to begin with.
Oh, and lastly, where the fuck do the 3rd party candidates go in-between elections when for three solid years- they’re nowhere to be found?
See? If all you do is complain, yet have no viable solution, then all you’re doing is complaining. And no one is obligated to take you seriously.
So…. What has any 3rd party candidate done to earn your vote?
Claudia De La Crúz of PSL has a program I agree with and believe is necessary.
What has any 3rd party candidate done to even prove that have the ability to do jack shit if they were to accidentally get elected to begin with.
PSL organizes year round, every year. They develop internal party infrastructure, protest, run a news site, educate others on Marxist theory, assist with strikes, and are even supporting disaster relief efforts recently due to the hurricanes.
Oh, and lastly, where the fuck do the 3rd party candidates go in-between elections when for three solid years- they’re nowhere to be found?
PSL does what I said year round, every year.
See? If all you do is complain, yet have no viable solution, then all you’re doing is complaining. And no one is obligated to take you seriously.
PSL has a viable solution, you can read their full party program here.
A Trump victory does not advance these goals.
Neither does a Harris victory.
Yes. Let’s just keep shifting right, and then eventually we’ll end up left; it’s like Pacman!
Yes, that is the liberal plan, unclear why they think it would work.
They’ve also been very involved in antiwar protests since Iraq at least with answer coalition too!
Yep! Good example!
No, the blame lies squarely on the DNC for deliberately ignoring the loud and clear message from third party voters that genocide is a red line in the sand. The blame further lies with the liberals supporting a decaying Empire and never lifting a finger to help anyone, just showing up at the ballot box every 4 years while the US commits manmade horrors beyond comprehension.
Join an org, like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), this mess can’t be undone by supporting the Dems harder.
Have you ever wondered what thoughts must go through a person’s mind after making just the worst decision in their lives? Like a father who fell asleep at the wheel because he didn’t want to stop at a motel to save a few bucks, and now he’s in the ICU watching his wife and child slowly dying in front of him?
That’s gonna be you if Trump gets elected. Good luck with that.
Your idea of the “worst decision of their lives” is forced on Palestinians daily because of the party you support.
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Theres a big difference between aiding a genocide vs not showing up to stop one. Are you pretending we are merely being neutral in this Israeli genocide? Thats absurd at best and dishonest at worst.
Progressives are asking for the weapons shipments to stop, and Harris gets the votes to win.
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Unfortunately, it’s not a “red line in the sand,” no matter how much you keep repeating it. While a majority of people in the US disapprove of Israel’s actions, a tiny fraction of voters (less than 2%) consider it their primary voting issue, an even smaller fraction of that number would consider withholding their vote or voting third party over it.
While you may not like it, it’s not the major concern for American voters. If you’d like to withhold your vote or vote third party about it, be my guest. The only likely scenario that would result from that would helping Trump get elected. If you’re honestly concerned about Palestinians, you’d be wise enough to not enable an even worse situation for them. There’s a reason Israel’s leadership wants Trump to win and encourages the left to revolt about Palestine.
You’re getting played by Israel, who is using your short-sighted feels to enable them to enact long-term reals, which in their case might very well be the full extermination and displacement of all of Palestine. To truly bring that into being, they, at they very least, need Trump to win. Fundamentally you are siding with Israel over Palestinians, and the immediate sense of moral superiority you feel about it is precisely how you’re being manipulated.
Read your history. Using the left’s lack of political pragmatism to aid in hard-right political takeover isn’t new. Your Bush-ist “you’re either with us or against us” simplification of the world and political calculus makes you an easy mark. You are, quite literally, a tool of Israel at this point.
And the best part, from Israel’s point of view, is you get to feel good about it. Win-win (for Israel). You’re trying to march Palestine right into the grave while telling them you’re helping them the whole way.
It’s a red line in the sand if voters make it so.
Secondly, the idea that Israel is depending on the Repblicans winning is hilarious. Biden has given them everything they want, including approving the Lebanon invasion. The genocide is bipartisan.
I think you’re going to by sadly surprised about how bad things can get. The limits of your long-term imagination and the narrowed view upon which you prevail are a little surprising. But, then again, you’re literally helping the Israeli state, so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.
You’re signing off on everything the US Empire and Israel wants, what’s surprising is that you can’t see that.
Whatever helps you sleep better at night while you help Israel commit genocide.
Whatever helps you sleep better at night while you help Israel commit genocide.
You’ve reached the “I know you are but what am I” level of childishness. That speaks volumes.
WoahWoah, If you truly beleive in minimizing the murder of the Palestinians, why isnt pressuring Harris to change her policy position something you’ll support? Why get on here and trashtalk progressives into letting Harris have her cake and eat it too?
Yeah dude, it would totally make sense to listen to all 3% of those third party voters over the 97% of people who aren’t stupid enough to throw their vote away in such a dumb fashion. That’s how you win elections!
about 1/3 of americans of voting age do not vote. its not just that 3% who are unmoved by the two options served up by the decaying US political system
If the Democrats don’t want votes, then it’s on them when they lose, not voters.
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Someday I hope you’ll get over your hatred of Marxism and Marxists.
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You were never a Marxist if you think along those lines, lmao. Explain Dialectical and Historical Matetialism, the basics of Marxism.
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nobody’s going to do that. i guess we’re all dumb because we don’t like your favorite band. grow up.
The two-party system is perfect. George Washington and John Adams had it wrong when they claimed a two-party system would be an evil. No policies of third parties have ever been adopted by either of the two big parties. No political candidate would ever dare switch between and third party and that of one of the big two, sometimes multiple times over their career. Useless. Certainly the political spectrum is sufficiently represented as a two-dimensional line depicting left, center, and right? Issues such as monetary policy, interventionalist policies, border security, personal liberty, states’ rights, federal powers, and debate of democracy vs. republic have already been solved and merits no further discussion. All 335 million Americans’ ideologies fit perfectly into either of the two big parties’ platform and always have. No other party besides Democratic and Republican have ever dominated US politics. Political parties are so paramount to the existence of America that the founding fathers went through great lengths to outline their implementation in the Constitution.
Looks like blue MAGA is masking off agaaaaiiinnnnn blink
Just think, all Harris has to do is condemn the genocide in Palestine and 3rd party voters would vote for her.
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not trying to start anything. Not even American. But I think Donald trump will win this one. Just because there’s so many crazy trump people. I love the people here at lemmy but this is the only place I see people talking shit on trump. Almost everywhere else I go it’s crazy trumpers and they are all avid voters. I hope Harris wins for the good of humanity but I just don’t think it’s gonna happen unless a bunch of young people actually go out and vote. It’s the south park turd Sandwhich giant douche thing all over again anyway. We’re fucked.
I’m so frickin enraged rn, I can’t fucking handle it. The whole Lemmy is advocating voting Dems while knowing that they will commit a ton of warcrimes. While on the opposite side, russians who voted against Putin, tried different strategies and failed, treated as subhumans and the people that commit warcrimes. Fucking hate y’all
This is false
Every county in my state always votes red. Due to the way elections are held in this country, it does not matter how I vote. I could vote for Harris, on the tiny chance that enough others will as well, or I could vote 3rd party, and at least increase the percentage of voters doing that so that it doesnt seem as useless next time. Hell, I could vote for trump and there would still be no difference.
Don’t alienate your allies if you want them to stay allies
If you’re voting for the lesser evil, you are still voting to reduce harm.
Remember that. You can’t save everyone, but if you save NO ONE that’s on you.
I love how in the US getting Hitler elected would just be a matter of having a total of one worse person run for president. Then the Dems would be selling him as the saviour of the working class and minorities.
“What? Third party? You might as well be voting for Hitl… Wait”
