I always took it as an early red flag that the person is way too intense and stressful to be around if every conversation has to be a do or die dynamic.
As a person who doesn’t really like to talk to most people and believe silence is fine… Let us have this do or die conversation.
Then return back to where you came from.
I was here first so no, I’m not going away or to ‘where I cam from’. Especially considering You’re the one who invited yourself here. You seem pretty desperate to have interaction with someone who is fine with small talk. I would have thought you’d catch that drift and go back to where you came… I even left the warning there for you to avoid. I wasn’t exactly hiding it. Small talk isn’t going away. But you can choose to avoid it or cry about it more, fragility.
Uh wut you took this really personally. It was a comment.
You okay?
It’s not that it has to be that exciting. Just don’t talk endlessly about shit that doesn’t matter. You bought a new kind of mustard, I don’t need a 20 minute explanation on why. To me, someone who can’t exist without noise, or making noise is a red flag. That being said, early on in the relationship is different because you’re still trying to get to know them.
I think you’re viewing this wrong. If my friend is a foodie and really excited about their new mustard I’d want to hear them be excited about it and know why they like it.
Not a foodie. A talker.
Yup. If my SO and I don’t have anything more urgent to say, we generally talk about upcoming plans, like next year’s vacations, shopping lists, etc. We almost never talk about the weather unless we’re planning to be out in it.
Been together >10 years, small talk is pretty rare and largely reserved for entertaining guests.
I’m sorry that’s a red flag. Some of us honestly just want to share what excites us with the person(s) who we are excited to be around.
I agree. I think they’re looking at this wrong or maybe just picked a poor example of what they’re trying to explain. Talking about hobbies and things that excite you isn’t a red flag at all.
That’s it. Hobbies? Interesting musings? Sure. Even how their day was. But nobody is excited enough about mustard to hear about it for that long. Or people who “think out loud” they say something and I’m like “what?” They respond “just thinking out loud” or “talking to the dog” and then get mad at me for not listening to the important stuff because I simply don’t have the time or mental capacity to filter that.
But nobody is excited enough about mustard to hear about it for that long.
Some people are, but more importantly it’s about sharing your conversation partner’s excitement because you care about them, not the mustard.
(Also, life’s more fun when you let yourself be excited by the mundane. We all die some day.)
Right, but like I pointed out several times, they’re not any more excited about the mustard than I am. They just like hearing themselves talk. And it wasn’t about trying the new one, it was just 20 minutes about why the mustard she used to get wasnt good enough anymore. Like 20 minutes of mustard bashing just to say “I thought I’d like to try a new one”.
they’re not any more excited about the mustard than I am
Obviously they were if they were talking about it for 20 minutes.
But nobody is excited enough about mustard to hear about it for that long
I think this is different.
The issue is people who can’t read the room. People just blabbing and talking AT someone. That’s not even small talk. That’s just holding someone verbally hostage.
Yes! Thank you! That was a better way to word it.
Small talk imo is those “feeler” questions. Hows the weather? See that thing on TV? How was traffic? You having the case of the Mondays?
It’s just noise to break the silence. I don’t have patience for it. Speak your intentions.
You wanna talk about your train collection? Do it. That’s not small talk, that’s a topic.
“I had the worse weekend. Can I tell you about it?” Straight to the point with their Intention.
“Did you know there’s a New Mustard based on ancient seeds found in Mongolia?” Real direct intention.
The only people in real life i have met who have ever complained about small talk were in the context of “i do not care enough about [the people around me] to pay attention to anything [they] say not directly relevant to me/my hyperfocus” and i just realize they’re the “everyone else is an npc” crowd and let them be sulky all the time and hate every social thing they have to do, and I’ll have a fine time chatting with the cashier about her day! These are always the same people who say everyone else is boring, not that they have given anyone the time of day.
Tbh if they see others like that im happy to not give them my time and show interest in them either. All social is give and take on every level and those people are always takers. We’re where we are now because of people who can’t bother to care about the lives of others.
I mean, yeah? That’s always been my relationships, I’ve only ever had pretty long-term ones.
Do y’all literally talk to your significant others about the goddamn weather or food every day?
Idk about y’all but in my current relationship I’d usually start with an in-depth analysis of some latest media I consumed or a geopolitical development, we’ll be briefly reflecting upon developments in Palestine or Ukraine or UK politics or the latest on the US election while we share a couple Red Bulls and try new Elfbar flavours.
Sometimes this descends into a hearty debate on economics like whether increased taxation can raise the value of currency through demand creation (technically but it’s not an effective measure), however eventually i will be pivoting into a technology I had learned about or historical context for some such, perhaps reflecting upon my cybersec exploits, relating to my independent study or my dayjob.
At some point she’d relate it to a material or technique she’s been studying for her masters in material engineering, she’d remark on disliking inorganic chemistry, and we’d get into in-jokes, (latest being about Aerobiz 2000 for the Sega Genesis and my interest in the inner workings of an A320 and less than stellar business acumen) which will inevitably make us watch a video essay on YT or play a light game together like Life is Strange or HOI4 or even just listen to some music, later we’d order some Domino’s Pizza and have some intimate times, a couple of nice sweet Barefoot wines and maybe a bit of Kinder Chocolate (not Bueno) for dessert later, we’re asleep.
Sometimes we get nostalgic and talk about what life was like before we met on Tinder or talk about our future dreams, plans and aspirations.
I think smalltalk is okay when you’re in a work meeting and you just want the coworkers to go away as soon as possible and let you get back to sleep, but I’d never date someone who is so socially inept that they would resort to smalltalk.
And thus a healthy relationship wherein the individuals are mutually becoming smarter, with better norms, instead of increasing the normalcy of less intelligencegrowing conversation as their minds and norms deteriorate from it. Weird how it’s the rarity.
I hope it’s not, and this is just twitter being twitter but you never know I suppose. Not worth making assumptions over one tweet, least of all about anything in the real world, nothing further from reality than the average tweeter.
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Honestly, I always engage in small talk. You can hate it but I see you on a regular basis and I’m always attempting to make a connection, one day we will connect.
Is that a threat? Oo Because that kind of sound like a threat
It’s a promise
We will sit in comfortable silence together.
we will make out in comfortable silence together
wet, sloppy make-out sounds
soft barking and meowing
😐 I was promised silence.
Actually this. One of the most meaningful relationships in my life is a woman who will sit in silence with me at the opposite end of the couch, some random nonsense on TV and we’re both just on our phones sharing memes with eachother. You don’t need to fill every moment of silence between people with words
I tell jokes. I don’t really do small talk. But, yes most conversations are deeply personal and deeply philosophical. I have lots of great friends, a lovely wife, a good job and fantastic kids. So yes, you can do just fine with almost no small talk. Become yourself, not what some unimaginative poster on the internet desperate for validation of their opinions thinks people should or shouldn’t become.
good job
I’ve seen women like that on dating apps. Claim to hate small talk, include in their bio that if you just open with “hi” they’ll unmatch you, and then when you put some thought into actually writing a response, ask a leading question about their interests or what they wrote in their profile, they unmatch you anyway.
#thisiswhyyouresingle
Pretty sure being in a long term relationship means you’ve moved on from small talk a long time ago.
I don’t want to talk with my wife about the weather, we have more important shit to worry about unless we’re literally having to dodge a tornado.
Small talk is for strangers.
If you went outside and the weather was pleasant you’d never mention it to your wife? Never say anything like “have you been outside? It’s so nice today!”
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Or from what this post is even if people are missing it just asking how their day was.
Genuine appreciation for the weather enough to declare it to those around you isn’t small talk. Small talk is generic filler dialogue you do as a formality.
If you’re being that reductive about the definition of small talk then I don’t think small talk exists between couples who have known each other for a long time because you’re just regular talking.
Yup. And if we don’t have anything more important to talk about, we’ll just cuddle. Silence is absolutely fine with people you’re comfortable with.
Huh.
Wife and I talk ALL the time about anything and everything, be it the weather, how weather works, of free will exists, the kids, if kids exists, you name it…
Maybe you’re both extroverts?
We’re both introverts, so we’re totally comfortable just sitting next to each other reading different books, or cuddling on a cold winter night. Sometimes we talk about random stuff, but quite often we’re exhausted from dealing with other people but still want that proximity.
She’s extroverted as hell, I’m introverted as hell. Put together though, we talk like there is no tomorrow
Some people view certain talk as smalltalk but im always up to know about the weather or bad traffic or anything I can avoid or indulge in if I can.
What if I told you: People who hate small talk only have meaningful relationships. It’s the shallow relationships they lack.
This. This exactly. I’m friends with few people, but I’m very good friends with them.
Extrovert cannot comprehend being quiet.
Not just extroverts. I’m pretty introverted but I’m also the type of person who is very heavy on verbal communication and I tend to get a lot of my affirmation through words.
Being “still” is a learned skill for me.
Wonder if Twitter person who made that comment just has people who don’t want to have small talk with them
It’s not small talk if you love the other person
It certainly can be.
If I’m making smalltalk with my SO, it’s because there’s something more weighty I want to discuss, but I’m looking for a way to broach that topic in a better way. So regardless of how I feel about them, it’s still an issue because it means I don’t feel safe to attack the topic head-on.
That feels like a communication strategy tailored to your relationship rather than small talk. small talk, in my opinion, is meaningless banter without motive. This may be pedantic, but I just don’t think I would classify that as smalltalk, since there’s an objective and I’m theoretically engaged, I personally would have no issue with it.
It’s when there’s seemingly “no point” that I consider it difficult
Its only “small talk” if you dont actually care about what the other person says. If you are genuinely interested, then its just a conversation. Thats how i see it at least.
Completely this.
Yeah, this. Talking small is faking interest. I’m not good at that. But when I actually care about the other person, “what have you been up to” is meaningful. Cause I actually wanna know.
Yeah but small talk can get the ball rolling on a real conversation. It’s just a way of initiating a conversation and it’s giving an opportunity for someone to talk about things they might be interested in.
“It’s nice day out today!” doesn’t literally mean that. It means “there’s an opportunity for us to do something outside if you’d like, but if not, perhaps you’d care to discuss something that’s important to you instead? Of course you you aren’t interested in having conversation or doing an activity, I’m perfectly fine with that too” but in a significantly more concise way. Sure you don’t really care about their opinion on the weather or whatever small talk, but it’s a completely open-ended expression of a willingness to have a conversation about something that matters to the other person. It’s opportunity to have a real conversation without any pressure to have a real conversation.
Also it’s not that hard to do.
“it’s not that hard to do” is absolutely giving never had a mental illness vibes
Yeah but small talk can get the ball rolling on a real conversation.
It can also be used defensively to avoid having the ball get rolling on a real conversation. This is a key defensive use of small talk which can be deployed at occasions such as “Family Gatherings”, “Workplace Water Coolers”, “Sports Events”.
If you know your relative is a conspiracy theorist and will inevitably try to use a gap in the conversation to talk about how the Jews are using their Space Laser to Direct Hurricanes at Lithium Deposits to Remove the Lawful Inhabitants from their Rightful Land… deploy small talk to avoid this.
P.S. Avoid “the weather” as that’s an opening to talk about how the recent hurricane was controlled by Blackrock.
To be fair, had it been possible to control hurricanes, I have no doubt that Blackrock would try to use it to extract profit but they’re hardly alone in that.
Sure, but the real evidence that these conspiracies are bullshit is that it involves all these wealthy, powerful people working together. Sure, Blackrock would want to use weather control technology, if it existed, to clear people off land it wanted. But, there are plenty of other billionaires or centi-billionaire companies who would want to know about and use weather control technology. For example, Disney. They’re a nearly 200 billion dollar company that make a lot of their money from cruises, theme parks and resorts, places which are dependent on good weather. If there were any hint that weather control technology were real, they’d be using it to keep the weather good at their resorts. If Blackrock were using weather control tech in a way that might wreck things at Disney World, do you think Disney would just go along with it?
There are a few things that rich people agree on, like wanting to keep their wealth. But, mostly they got rich because they were incredibly selfish. The idea that they could maintain any kind of conspiracy to do anything other than keep taxes low is pretty insane.
Yup, the only two things small talk and conversation have in common is that they take a minimum of two people and involve spoken words.
If people small-talk in sign language, would it be called small-talk?
Your remark about “spoken words” made be think about this and I find it curious, since “small-talk” has become something of a fixed expression.
While words related to vocal conversations do appear in other phrases like “being left speechless” for example, I imagine “small-talk” to be more of a thing on its own in today’s usage.
That’s a good point - do we “speak” sign language? I’d never given it much thought. I think it was lazy writing on my behalf; the phrase “spoken words” could probably be tweaked to make it more obviously inclusive of all the signers out there.
I mean that’s basically why a lot of us are great at small talk: we actually do care about the contents of that low stakes conversation with strangers.
This poor individual has never been in a lasting relationship.
If you can’t talk, in full, with your partner such that you somehow need small talk, that’s not a relationship, it’s a one night stand that happens to last for 3 months to a year.
As other people in this thread have said, it’s usually more about the person than it is the topic. I’m happy to hear my wife talk about the weather tomorrow but if the guy behind me in line at the store does it I’m answering in grunts and annoyed expressions.
Sure, but it also has more depth than the guy at the checkout. It ties into the garden, the potential outdoor activities, possibly premade plans, possible seasonal house prep (stow the hoses, shut off the outside water, bleed the lines.). And all manor of things tied to your life together. Thus it’s not really small talk.
Small talk stinks Small talk stinks See the young man in his new gown Talking up to his bouffant drag He says he loves you with flowers Something that he's never had A sentence should be like a serpent Quick with a sting in its tail -bauhaus, Small Talk Stinks
