Voting him out will not remove him from your feed. You will hear about how the election was stolen again. About how his disciples tried to destroy the capitol or the white house or whatever, again. You will hear about how he was out on trial again. You will hear about whatever new crap he comes up with.
I’d rather watch him flail about after losing again than watch him execute his
mass deportationgenocide plans.Yeah that will only be popcorn time.
Agreed.
I find myself disliking him less this time around than I did in 2016, and I don’t exactly know why. Sure, there’s a ton I disagree with him on, but that applies to both candidates. I guess I have some sympathy for the people in the center who were pushed away by the left and ended up on the right.
No need to worry though - I’m not a US citizen, so I’m not voting for him.
I don’t understand this sentiment at all. I know it’s a popular one - but how in the hell does instigating a violent coup attempt improve people’s views of the man?
You seem to be implying that is the reason I find myself disliking him less now than in 2016 which couldn’t be further from the truth. That’s among the most pressing arguments against him.
That’s equally unfair as me saying ‘I don’t see how Harris supporting gender-affirming surgeries for undocumented immigrants in custody’ makes people want to vote for her.
Shouldn’t that be a disqualifying factor?
Sure but that doesn’t really change anything. I don’t think he was fit for the job to begin with.
The coup was bad, yes, but don’t forget the hundreds of thousands dead from COVID. Trump has even less plausible deniability for that.
COVID
It probably would’ve been the same had Clinton been President. He wasn’t a vaccine skeptic like much of his base, but he certainly played up the rhetoric a bit, while pushing for a rapid rollout of the vaccine.
He belittled and ignored Fauci and downplayed the severity of the virus. He refused to wear a mask which would’ve helped get a lot of the right wing on board with mask-wearing. He held huge rallies without taking precautions, and some attendees got sick and died as a result. (Most notably, Herman Cain.)
Sure, but none of that has anything to do with policy, nor do I think him wearing a mask would do all that much to get his base on board.
His _actual_ public actions
- Jan & Feb - downplayed the virus - I’d expect any President to do that, the entire point is to reduce panic
- March - declares emergency as cases rise, extends the “slow the spread” policies
- April - discusses masks, emphasizing that it’s optional, not mandatory (needs to say that to retain his base, it’s an election year, after all); maintains travel restrictions, but recommends states relax policies
- May - mentions that he uses hydroxychloroquine
- June - indoor campaign rally
- July - continued to downplay COVID saying it’ll go away
- August - encouraged social distancing
- September - continued questioning effectiveness of masks
Basically, he was against masks, in favor of social distancing, and urged rapid development of vaccines (Pfizer vaccine was available around the end of 2020). He took and recommended others take the vaccine as well.
It’s impossible to know exactly how Clinton would’ve responded, but I imagine it would be quite similar, with a bit less rhetoric and perhaps a little more distancing at rallies, just given what Biden did (but it’s hard to say exactly, since mask-wearing became a form of speech).
So the main difference I see between Trump and Clinton/Biden is optics, not policy. And given the death rates between states (e.g. Florida vs California), there isn’t a clear difference based on the party that was in power, and differences are more easily explained by climate, population density, and demographics. So sure, you can probably point to cases where people contracted COVID at a rally or something, but in terms of policy, there doesn’t seem to be much difference between left and right on the COVID response outcomes.
So all in all, I think Trump’s rhetoric around COVID was terrible, but I don’t think it’s fair to pin those deaths on him because they likely would’ve happened had he lost in 2016.
lol no: Trump will keep running until he dies and Ds will keep using him as a bogeyman
Fine, but he’s getting close to the end. We should keep him out of the White House until then.
The internet is owned by the US.
Get over it.
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Don’t care, still voting for albonese.
Snowshadow is a great follow 👍🏻
Imagine having peace of mind while your team promotes genocide.
Peak liberal privilege.
Imagine being privileged enough to know that another Trump term won’t affect you.
Imagine not giving a shit about all the women and queer people that will lose their basic human rights, because you know you are safely insulated behind your wealth, sexuality, gender identity, and/or sex.
Imagine pretending that Trump, who has urged Netanyahu to “Finish the job quickly”, is the less genocidal option in two weeks.
Peak tankie nonsense.
Imagine thinking that Kamala Harris is going to do a thing to claw back the rights of women and queer people or stop murdering Palestinians when she won’t even acknowledge the issues beyond pointing out that roe v wade was overturned because it makes the other side look bad and she only has to have better optics than the other side to get your vote. Nevermind that it happened under her democratic predecessor who also did nothing to stop it while she was vice president.
Imagine thinking a candidate, when their power is no longer at stake, is going to magically stop pandering to conservatives and stop taking progressive votes for granted, when they’re already setting up to blame those same progressives for their campaign strategy; of abandoning their base in both messaging and policy at every possible opportunity and just being generally feckless; failing miserably.
Imagine the polls being this close against donald fucking trump who has a mountain of evidence that you can use against him, clear strategies and talking points to counter message against, a significant number of his own voters having voluntarily defected from him with no further convincing needed, and not having a single moment of introspection on your own party’s initiative or lack thereof to guarantee their victory by throwing a single material bone to their left wing and engaging the working class through positive reinforcement rather than fear campaigns that disillusion voters and depress outcome all the way down the ticket.
Imagine thinking there aren’t any actors seeking to negate any leverage that you have as a class by letting your candidate take your vote for granted instead of being pressured to give you anything more than the hopefully maybe bare minimum to win exactly 51% of the electoral college.
No no lets just blame voters for being irrational actors influenced by “tankie nonsense” and Russian bots that definitely only stoke one side and aren’t just sowing general discord so americans will reject their class interests in favor of culture wars. That’s not a convenient or shallow or played out explanation with any historical analog that suppresses engaging with logic at all, and actually is evidence that can justify only one true reality with definitely only the most genuine and non-trumpian of intentions or obvious conclusions. It’s actually the most rational explanation of real true and objective reality I think.
Oh and if you disagree with me you love Trump and think he should be president again and Palestine should be wiped off the map and I will just say this over and over again in different ways of varying length instead of actually engaging with any of your arguments because for some reason I assume that saying it enough times will mean the argument is settled and I win.
When you find yourself saying words like “the less genocidal option”, you should stop and think what brought you here.
Don’t vote for less genocide. Vote for no genocide. Vote Stein.
This is a warning, quit it with the rage bait.
This is going to step up guys, please state your case and then walk away from these types of things. If it’s this particular user, please report any rage baits. The mod tools are crap. I’ll try and remember as well.
Peak liberal privilege.
Thank you. These people are exhausting.
It’s not one team. It’s not even both teams. All of America is built on genocide and slavery.
Imagine not having peace of mind because must spew nonsense on Lemmy…
There’s more than a couple reasons a lot of westerners don’t really see Gazans as victims, some of them aren’t even racism.
Would be way easier to argue their case if October 7th didn’t go the way it did.
It was just a really bad decision.
I’m personally in favor of cutting ties with Israel as well, considering they’ve strayed so far away from civility and are indeed killing a shitload of people. But I have very little compassion for the people of Gaza, given what they largely want and support. They want to fight and thresh and kill until one side is dead and gone, and we all know which side that will be. Everyone knows, except them.
It was just a really bad decision.
Hamas made that decision, not the Palestinian people. Just like the executive branch is choosing to send over more weapons, not the US people.
The last 10 years have been really mask-off for both parties.
Even if he loses again, I’m sure we’ll be dealing with this piece of shit until the fucker dies. Then we’ll have to deal with a new piece of shit. 😮💨
And every election, it’ll be saving the world from fascism so we have to vote for Democrats, no matter how far to the right they sprint.
Thinking that Harris is not the same fascist as trump is very naive. all politicians are psycho murderers, or they would not be politicians in the first place
That’s such a childish view. The world is not black and white, and neither are politicians. If you can’t figure out the difference between Harris and Trump then I’m not sure you’re mature enough to be talking about politics in the first place. You should learn nuance first.
Please execute him for treason like they would have any person of color in his place.
Trump voters want to talk about making towns safe, permanently removing people who cause problems or don’t play along properly, and make a society where white men to a greater extent can do some kinds of horrible abuse behind closed doors with everyone knowing, most people tolerating it, and only a few authority figures able to do anything about it if they want to or are pressured to.
Trump isn’t going away, even if he doesn’t win. That’s what people thought in 2020. Now that Biden’s president, Trump will just disappear, right? Wrong.
And yes, I know he said that he won’t run again in 2028, but I don’t believe it. His cult would beg him to run again, and he’d do it.
The nazis pinned so much of their cult on his engorged, dying pus sac of a body that they may lose a substantial amount of steam if he loses.
A loss of steam that needs to be aggressively and ruthlessly leveraged to undo and bolster against as much of their nazi bullshit as humanly possible.
bold of you to assume they wouldn’t just instantly pivot to the next fascist in line like Ron DeSantis if he went completely out of commission.
even bolder of you to assume they would care if he lost the election. after all, they didn’t the first time
He might be gone, but his cult isn’t.
Cults require a charismatic figurehead. Vance doesn’t have that. Without a leader, they’ll fall into infighting and purity tests.
Who said anything about Vance? Ron DeSantis is right there waiting to take the reins.
Ron DeSantis has the charisma of a wet blanket. He doesn’t stand a chance.
- He did go away for a while, but not by choice. He was banned from Twitter, his reddit group quarantined, and news stations fucking finally decided to stop reporting on his every stupid statement
- Of course he won’t run again in 2028, he’ll be dead. The dude looks like he’s knocking on
heaven’shell’s door right now.
Yeah, he’s 78, and I doubt he’ll hold up at 82.
I hope he dies soon.
I fear what they’re going to come up to replace him with.
Neoconservatism is dying out. Right wing anti-liberalism is on the rise. Vance is the marshmallow tip of the spear.
I hope he lives for 40 more years to watch himself become less and less relevant, with nazi republican losers continuing to pin their hopes on him that he is increasingly unable to deliver.
If he doesn’t end up in prison or the psych ward he’ll be too old to “run” again.
Yeah we thought that about Biden and the fascist xunt still ran again, destroying the primary, and eventually appointed one of the least popular politicians in US history in his stead.
Lol what?
Is biden the fascist now to whitewash trump?
Both are fascist. The guy commiting genocide will never not be a fascist, sorry.
Oh no a pro trumper. Goodbye!
I hope you cultists get what you vote for others.
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they said both candidates are facist, that doesnt mean they are pro-trump?
Both-siders are usually Trumpers or Russian Trolls trying to stir up shit.
I think he’ll be either dead or not lucid enough to run personally
We can all hope, and this time we’re probably gonna be right.
But the Republicans aren’t running out of people.
There’s no reason to think Trump’s end will make the bad half of America stop this push. There’s a relatively good chance they’ll find a sufficiently appealing new leader or puppet. If that falls, maybe you can rest and go back to casually provoking the religious right, playing catch with your rights, and still stay safe for a while. Members of the LGBT community dropping “Live and let live.” in favor of “Use the right pronouns!” was a potentially fatal mistake.
While you’re definitely correct that Trump isn’t the last bigot who will run for president, none of them will have rhe same level of influence he did.
Trump is a literal cult leader. You have pastors like Shane Vaughn who literally call him “a messiah.” He is literally worshipped. That’s why he could get away with Jan 6th, that’s why he’ll have so many voters no matter what, it’s a cult.
With the above said, the his defeat will dishearten his mkst fervent followers. I believe many of them will never be able to bring themselves to vote for another candidate, ever. Not all, but many. Republican voter enthusiasm will be at an all time low.
Following this, the infighting we already see will only get worse as would-be successors fight for the scraps that their titan left behind while others fight to leave Trumpism in the dust. Even if they manage to get a majority, they’d accomplish nothing meaningful.
Their entire plan hinges on Donald Trump’s cult influence. The depend on his rabid base of supporters. If he loses this election, that goes away. The remnants will be fought over, but none of them will be able to touch the level of influence Trump himself had. His legacy will leave the Republican party fractured for decades.
The cult leaders are evangelical pastors. They’ll find a new guy because it’s profitable. They will herd their sheep to a new wolf.
The exploitative business types will follow for the same reasons. They only worship profit and trump literally gives them your tax money, cuts their taxes, and curates the courts to their interests.
No, it’s Trump. They, Robin Bullock, Kat Kurr, all of them make prophecies about Trump. The whole fucking theology centers on Trump. He’s become the lynch pin to their everything. One pastor in particular, Shane Vaugn, claims that “Trump is a messiah.”
They have hitched it all to Trump. Without him, it all falls apart. They will try to pivot because they won’t just give up their influence, but his second defeated will hurt their credibility. It will sow doubt. And when he eventually kicks the bucket, will, I wager most Christians only have it in themselves to wait on just one messiah to come back.
Or in prison.
To the people complaining about US politics overshadowing all other discussions. I too wish US politics were unremarkable.
Even outside of usa
Agree with the sentiment for sure, but would also add that a lot of Americans like him, they LIKE what he said, he was heavily supported at last count. Even now he is supported substantially.
That is something many people need to think about. What happens next election? He won’t be the last.
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I hope you’re right.
sadly, voting him out does not erase him.
We would be happy to see him running from prison.
he would still be eligible to assume the office from there so no thanks
I was thinking, “Wait, we can vote him out of existence?”
if we cannot incarcerate, exile him. let him go crying back to putin and see how accepted hell be
It’s amusing that Trump can’t see that Putin will drop him as soon as his usefulness ends, just like Trump does to people who support him (Giuliani, for example).
i hope thats what happens to him when he gets there.
I think it would work reasonably well, because losing twice in a row sends a pretty clear message.
Someone younger than him will pick up the torch though, so his ideas will unfortunately live on.
people younger than him are already driving a lot of his public policy pronouncements, so those policies might as well be attributed directly to them. if they left diaper don to his own devices, much of his following wouldve evaporated by now save for the racial extremists.
I think there’s a good chance the whole “MAGA” movement dies out in a few elections if Trump loses this round. It’s not particularly popular in my area at least, and “MAGA” candidates have consistently lost the nomination for local elections because people are tired of all the BS (Trump will still win my state though because of the R). If he loses, I think it’ll peter out a bit unless someone with Trump’s charisma gets the nomination in 2028.
