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- Decay of radon-222 isn’t the only way lead can be created, just a way
- The U238 that started the chain could pre-date the earth
- Half life is only when half of the sample has decayed, but less than half could have decayed into lead
That’s not the gotcha OOP seems to think it is. If the world was magicked into existence by a supreme being 4000 years ago, there’s no reason it couldn’t have been magicked into existence with heavy elements having decayed by an arbitrary amount or with Pb by itself. 'Tis the problem with invoking appeals to magic. And anyway a quick look on wiki says that primordial Pb was mostly created by neutron capture of lighter elements, not radioactove decay of heavier ones, so the mere existence of Pb proves nothing wrt the timeline of U decay anyway… but at that point if you’re bringing nucleosynthesis into it, you may as well point to anything higher than lithium or even atoms as a concept as “proof” rather than picking anything as exotic as uranium decay.
This is an inherently unwinnable trap. Creationists will ultimately always play the undisprovable “God made it that way” card. Blind faith is a mental illness that’s endemic to humanity and is probably going to get us all killed.
Yeah they will say DOG made all that lead when It created the universe four thousand years ago. No amount of evidence can convince someone who doesn’t understand what evidence is.
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Calling it mental illness isn’t just a stretch it’s just fuckin wrong my dude. I get what you’re saying but bro, that’s just how humans work.
For the vast majority of people, belief in science isn’t fundamentally different than belief in religion. Very few people actually know. The rest of us are taking it on faith that the scientific method is working. Even when it isn’t (that’s a fascinating story, btw, a lot of scientists confirmed findings before it was ultimately debunked.)
Taking things on faith is part of why we work as a species, knowing a thing to be true without ever seeing it is critical to a functioning culture.
The fact that that well has been poisoned with bullshit is a natural consequence.
Omfg, my dude. I get your point, everybody does, i mean, look at the sub name… But calling people mentally sick just because they can’t resist our inner cope machanism, aka magical thinking, which was developed and stayed there since before the civilisation, is like calling people with allergies “subhuman”, or people who can’t resist the urge to sleep at night *weak".
Do people with allergies control nations with nuclear stockpiles?
Pretty much everyone has some kind of allergy, so probably.
What’s the antihistamine for religion?
Analytical thinking? Scientific method?
Lead existed more than 4000 years ago, but that doesn’t prove it was part of Earth that whole time. Most of the planet existed in some form before it coalesced into the planet. 😌
It’s 4000 years old…
…and then someI had a creationist professor who had a whole bunch of bullshit specifically intended to “debunk” aging using Polonium half-lives, etc…
You’ll never “disprove” it for them, because they don’t want it disproven. They’ll just find the relevant page on Answers in Genesis/Ken Ham’s website written by someone with a Ph.D. from Pensacola Christian College and consider it done. They’re not in it to actually find the truth. It’s not a good-faith discussion/debate.
Fortunately when they go find some page in AiG, you can just go point at the corresponding entry here: https://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
Been a while since I’ve seen that resource. Old webpages are refreshing sometimes.
You might be interested in the community I cross-posted it to then, if you’re not already in it: [email protected]
Neat. I’ve ran across a few things that tie to the Small Web, but this is even more eclectic.
In what backwoods podunk shithole did you have a creationist “professor?” What were they even ostensibly teaching?
I’ve seen anecdotal stories of geologists who claimed they were creationists. The brain is an amazing thing.
Isn’t it the other way around? Creationists claiming to be geologists?
I suppose, but the point is they do a job that requires them be knowledgeable of the science, and yet can compartmentalize things to do that but also have beliefs that run very much against what they observe in reality. Hell, geology was a science born from creationists trying to find evidence of the Flood, who then chose to go the path that the data took them, not the Bible.
geology was a science born from creationists trying to find evidence of the Flood
Is this a real thing (outside of the US)?
It seems that the en article has a bit of an agenda in that regard. You might want to check other versions.
Maybe reality is a bit more nuanced.
I had a “Creationism vs evolution” class because I did one semester at a religious college before realizing I wasn’t religious. It was about what’d you’d expect, and no, the credit didn’t transfer to a real college
I went to high school in rural Mississippi and had a creationist biology teacher. We quickly touched on what the textbook had to say about evolution, then spent the next week or so watching this video series on various species with symbiotic relationships and how some of them could not have possibly evolved without the other. And it was a public school. Knowing what I know now, I should have told him to stick his illegal proselytizing up his ass and just spent his class period studying in the library.
God faked all that to prove our faith.
The futility of using scientific factoids to argue with an account named “Christians Against Science”.
“Christians Against Science” has to be a parody account, right?
Being a scientist myself, this argument is not very good. The believer can just say that god created lead as well, and didn’t wait for it to be created by decay. If god can create a universe, why shouldn’t they be able to create some lead?
That’s a whole 'nother rabbit hole, that eventually leads to this:
Can blame it on the devil, or can say it’s just a test by God. Anything from old rocks to fossils to light from distance stars created enroute. Using science to debate someone who doesn’t understand science or thinks it’s all a trick isn’t going to work.
Exactly! In fact, we know that the universe was created in media res so that light photons allegedly streaming to us from thirteen billion light years away in mid transit with the exact amount of red shift it would have from that object retreating away from us due to cosmic inflation, was in fact created by God 2000 in route in the (great) void of space so that it would smack not just into the dot that is Earth, but some dude’s telescope and spectrum analyzer.
In fact, I wasn’t born fifty seven (and some days) years ago. I was born this last Tuesday when the universe was created with everything in motion.
I find it funny that AtheistMemes comments on this gif are primarily on the science, and ScienceMemes where this was cross posted is filled with Christian apologetics.
Is this kind of decay the only way that all terrestrial lead was created?
Being born from mother tigers is the only way that terrestrial tigers can be created. Except on Creation Day, according to Creationists. It’s not much of a stretch to say that’s where the Earth’s original stock of lead came from too.
I was in a Discord call and we were talking about theology and one guy used this argument against creationism. The Christian girl in the call said if Adam spawned in as a fully grown adult then God can create pre-aged uranium too.
Which ends up leading up to Last Thursdayism. Weird to believe in a deity that just enjoys fucking with you, but to each their own.
The Earth was created 10 seconds ago and we all have implanted memories, change my mind.
Heretic. True believers know it was 8 seconds ago.
Blasphemer. It’ll be created tomorrow and this is all part of the memory implant.
Nonesense it will never be created this is just a simulation /s
LastThursdayism
That’s not how half-lives work though
That’s crazy, is this the only source of lead? Like, can’t lead come from somewhere else?
Yeah, this post is not fully correct. The lead nail in the coffin is not that lead exists, it’s that we find it in certain mineral matrixes that don’t form with lead.
Zircon is the most widely referenced mineral in uranium-lead dating, as the mineral rejects lead during its formation, but will incorporate uranium. So when we find zircon with lead in it, it means that the uranium has decayed and turned into lead while being stuck there, and the percentage of uranium to lead in a sample lets us determine its time of formation.
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I’m fairly certain this is leaving out important details. I believe it decays into a unique form of lead with a different number of either protons or neutrons. The actual numbers I could not tell you as I’m remembering this from high school.
It’s a different isotope, so different number of neutrons. If the proton number would be different, it would be another element altogether, since the proton number defines what element it is.
The only thing that you can use to convince someone who is dead set the Bible is the only truth is…the Bible. And even then they’ll use gymnastics, but at least they can’t just discard the source of evidence like they will anything else. If they bend over backwards to keep the Bible valid, then you know you’ll waste time trying to debate them.
“Mind” I see no evidence to support the existence of one.
