Add disabled people to this list, homeless people, just so many of us who would suffer under a facist.
homeless people need a flag
Pretty sure they need houses
But for comical effect I found this https://www.walmart.com/ip/Homelessness-Awareness-Month-USA-Flag-T-Shirt/5628172427
Walmart selling that is just rich
In the early days of the IWW, many of the Wobblies were hobos. So maybe you could say that the IWW cat is a homeless icon.
Actually, they need a home. Common misconception. Flags are indeed not homes.
Pretty sure the homeless one should be on both ends of the track
I’d actually say not really, democratic proposals for urbanism would significantly help ð unhoused even on ð more NIMBY end of ð spectrum.
In a sense very true.
However Trump’s proposals would make being homeless even worse, while Harris’s would make it somewhat better (although way less than is needed).
So I still stand by my categorisation.
Nuance is unacceptable. There is only utopia and hell.
Also, watch as I disappear for four years, and then reappear only to whine about the state of the Democratic Party and how they didn’t pander to my progressive ass enough.
Then disappear again for another four years…
Some people really think like that ahaha.
“Both parties are the same”…
Tell that to the people who’se families would get deported, to the women who lose reproductive rights, to the Ukrainians relying on our support to fight off an imperial aggressor, to the poor elderly and disabled people on social security…
If both parties are the same to you, you’re likely in a position of privilege.
There isn’t enough space in the frame for the flags that represent all of the people who get stomped on by fascism.
from Wikipedia
Reversing the points under a moving train will almost always derail the train.
Cool, so, inside that trolley are also all the issues listed there who will die if it’s derailed, because anyone who thinks that a revolution will be communist led and bloodless hasn’t spent more than ten minutes in this fucking country.
Sorry you want a revolution without doing the hard work of actually establishing the popular basis for one.
How does one do that in this metaphor? Vote for one by mail and the other in person? That just lands you in jail and is functionally equivalent to sending the train down the “moral high ground” track.
popular vote goes to Harris but Trump gets inaugurated because the supreme court ruled otherwise?
Amrikani Falesteini here,
If you þink letting Donald Trump back into office is a reasonable answer to democratic leniency on Israeli war crimes after he handed Bibi West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Golan Heights, and is right now actively encouraging Bibi to keep going in mimic of Nixon and Reagan before him, you are eiðer a knowing zionist agent, or an unwitting one, and eiðer way you need to quit bitching, sit ð fuck down, and do your share of solidarity ðis november if you want to keep using my people’s bodies as your set dressing for your white people savior shit.
look, alright, you did your bit, it’s passed the point of unique and quirky and gotten into just plain annoying.
If you’re annoyed by a letter, you deserve to be annoyed.
i – no.
everyone in this goddamn thread is annoyed by you deliberately making your comments harder to read because you think it makes you seem quirky.
if you keep it up people will just block you.
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Go back to reddit
Fuck no, you go back.
You are welcome here.
I think it is pretty telling that these people who pretend to care so much about Palestinian lives, lash out like this when a real one tells them something they don’t want to hear.
lash out like this when a real one tells them something they don’t want to hear.
That’s not why people want them to leave, it’s because they have a cringey gimmick that makes Lemmy harder to read
Yeah, it’s cringey… But if the person really is a Palestinian, it seems like a super convenient way to just disregard everything they have to say, doesn’t it? Maybe ignore the stupid letter and look at the content of the comment?
it seems like a super convenient way to just disregard everything they have to say
I’m not disregarding anything they have to say, my messages are entirely within the capacity of their cringey gimmick.
look at the content of the comment?
It’s kinda hard when it’s being purposefully obfuscated, isn’t it?
You’d like it better back there, they love unfunny forced running gags, imagine all your updoots! Surely you’ll get enough attention there to satiate your histrionics
Really? Because in my experience what ðey really love is soulless killjoys who take as little as a fucking letter to get triggered and condescending because how dare someone not write to cater to my expectation of ð status quo!
I may not be cool for using it, but you’re definitely not cool just for hating it. You’re just fragile and mad.
Alternatively: “I’m voting for Diet Fascism and if you don’t vote for Diet Fascism too, you’re voting for Full-Fat Fascism” but said with the sternest voice the weakest losers can muster.
More “I’m voting for diet fascism and if you don’t vote you’re complicit in anything that comes, which will either be diet fascism or full-fast fascism. Not voting doesn’t prevent either of these, and one is obviously preferably. No action is still a choice you’re making.”
This shit is getting annoying because it’s such a fundamental misunderstanding of what the trolley problem tries to tell you. You cannot use the trolley problem to prove that utilitarianism is better. The entire point is to show the difference between deontology and utilitarianism. It’s just tiring to watch.
True, it’s a misapplication of the original thought experiment.
But it also kind of lays bare the consequences of choosing “the moral high ground” over an outcomes-based approach to morality. And I think that is still a useful thing.
I just don’t think it’s useful. Trying to argue against a non consequentialist ethical position with consequences is like beating your head against the wall. It’s just an endless circular argument.
Sometimes people ignore consequences because they simply haven’t thought through the consequences. That’s a very normal human thing. Laying it out this way can persuade some people.
Some people might even become consequentialist when shown the consequences they hadn’t fully considered before.
Suck it up, Palestine, you’d be fucked anyway
You have to be a troll?
Kinda the only way to support my family, sir
This different then the argument, “suck it up Americans your fucked either way.”?
“After Trump, Our Turn”. It worked with Hitler, surely it will work again, eh comrade?
Ehm… no? At very least jail mr Trump
Lesser evilism is what gave us Hitler.
Lololol nope what gave us Hitler was his opposition failing to unite to keep him out of power
The 1932 elections in Germany had three candidates: Hitler, Hindenburg, and Thälmann. The social democrats denounced Thälmann as being just as bad as Hitler and supported the “center-right” candidate Hindenburg as a lesser-evil. Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor which enabled him to seize power, become a dictator, and slaughter the left.
If you think the lesson from that is that the communists were being unreasonable for refusing to back Hindenburg, the guy who historically won and brought about the rise of Hitler, then I don’t know what to tell you. There was exactly one anti-Hitler candidate in that race.
So the lesson you take from that is that you shouldn’t vote? You are misreading the moment if you think that.
There is no viable third party. And under no circumstances will Harris put Trump in power. He is far more likely to end up in jail than in power if Harris win.
The lesson from nazi germany is that you do not let fascists take power
keep voting, keep paying, this time will be different
Thank you, I will keep voting, and pressuring my representatives to do what I believe to be right. You keep doing nothing, and whinging about it, as if that is how anything was ever accomplished in this country.
What would you have us do instead? If your answer is revolution, great. Where and when do we meet up?
Libs love to imagine genocide roller coasters.
But I dunno why they expect this to inspire loyalty.
I’m not loyal to the Democrats or to America and I still vote
What else are they going to do? Change their policies to suit their voter base?
it is a good thing there is no option for political violence on this helpful chart about the distribution of political violence
you wouldn’t want anyone to get the wrong ideas about the direction political violence has to flow
I just want a candidate that supports both universal healthcare and the 2nd amendment.
Quick, somebody get this guy on the ballot!
Considering everyone is talking about fascists coming to power and life getting more threatening, it would make some sense for the groups in the photo to look into being armed.
I saw this exact one with someone on the bottom that said “I refuse to participate in a broken system” on r/PeterExplainsTheJoke and NOBODY understood it.
Third party represent.
So that’s the middle path, a useless/selfish moral high ground that will ultimately see more people dead/suffering.
People on the internet who claim to hold democracy in the highest regard and gatekeeping voting if ideology differs.
Name a more iconic duo.
It’s hardly a democracy, it’s really just voting to not shit the bed.
For this to be correct the"moral high" track should go to before the junction since it’s literally a choice of leaving the decision to others.
In this specific case were what’s portrayed is the lever in the hands of each individual person amongst over 200 millions voters (rather than, say, the choice in the hands of people like Biden, who pretty much has an individual Genocide/No-Genocide choice), it’s not Logical to portray the choice of sticking with one’s moral principles as a choice for either side since there are still millions of other people needed for the choice to be made - in fact it’s downright deceitful and self-serving propaganda to misportray what’s literally a “I refrain from chosing hence leave the choice to the rest” as a being the same as a choice for one of the options.
The whole use of this format were an individual is represented as being alone in making a choice when the actual situation is “one vote amongst hundreds of millions” is downright deceitful and self-serving propaganda.
You’re 100% right
And the Gold Medal for Mental Gymnastics goes to…
… whomever keeps misportraying a person casting a single vote amongst 200 million as them individually making the final decision.
The essence of the trolley problem is to ask whether choosing not to exercise the agency that you have is a moral choice. The fact that you may not have complete control over the outcome doesn’t make the analogy bad in and of itself.
Suppose everyone else except you had already voted and exit polls suggested Trump had won by one vote. Would you vote, then? I don’t care what your answer is would be; that is between you and your own conscience. But, is the situation really so different from the real world situation where for all you know your vote might actually count?
You can disagree that the trolley problem comparison is apt, but I think calling it “deceitful and self-serving” is a stretch.
FWIW I am from the UK and I don’t care whether you vote or not.
In your specially crafted scenario it is indeed applicable.
However that’s not at all how it’s being used here. Here it’s just another variant of the propaganda used in the last year or so by the members of the Democrat tribe which boils down to “if you don’t vote Democrat you’re voting Trump”, which is a blantant false dichotomy and falacy.
Couple such sleazy salesman style of political propaganda with their active support of a Genocide were tens of thousands of children have already been murderer and, when seen in the broader context of World Politics, the Democrats are almost as low and disgusting as the Republicans.
To add insult to injury, I suspect that it’s the continued expectation amongst the Democrat Party leadership that the use of these propaganda techniques will retain enough of the Leftwing vote for them to win no matter what they do, that has allowed Biden during the last year to overtly support a Genocide to the point of doing things like sending Israel the very 2000lb bombs (which the US Military refuses to use because of their massive collateral damage) that they used in bombing Lebanese neighbourhoods: by having been parroting for months shit like this false-choice meme, these people have enabled Israel to be sent the very weapons with massive collateral damage that they used in bombing civilians and have hence been indirectly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.
(Had they instead been putting pressure on the Democrat Party, as the Israeli Neue Nazi side did for themselves via AIPAC, things would likely be very different now).
I too am not an American, I just have been involved in politics in two countries and seen it right up close in another two and after having been massivelly exposed to American Political Propaganda here in Lemmy in the last year or so, find it appallingly manipulative and deceitful, from both sides, though far more hypocrite from the Democrat side (Republicans are more users of straightforward lies rather than using more sophisticated methods of deceit such as presenting false choices like this one or cherry picking).
Funnilly enough, my enormous disgust with this kind of sleazy propaganda grew up during the decade I lived in the UK, especially the Leave Referendum period: compared with The Netherlands and Portugal were I lived before that, English politics, which is dominated by Public School types, is insanelly heavy on this kind of sleazy slimmy posh-salesman discourse crafted to mislead without outright lying and especially after my decade living amongst the plain speaking Dutch, I’ve come to really detest that kind of hypocrisy, especially when, like here, it’s deployed to cover those commiting morally unacceptable acts such as activelly supporting the mass murder of human beings.
It was bad enough when such style of politics was used in the UK to screw the lives of millions and its even worse when it’s used in America to enable the outright murder of hundreds of thousands of people, over 40% of whom are children.
I can barelly begin to convey my utter disgust with such practices and those who use them to enable what can only be described as evil-doing.
I feel at this point the majority of content on this sub is not funny or a meme anymore. While I don’t agree with Trump at this point Lemmy is becoming “astroturfed” like reddit
American elections bring out the worst in everyone everywhere.
Sub? Really? You know this isn’t Reddit, right? And it’s called: Political Memes. Not SuperHappyFunnyHaHaMemes. Want funny? maybe go to a “sub” that hosts funny memes. I dunno. Just a thought.
This is, objectively, a political meme. Humor is not requisite.
This happens every election cycle the closer election day comes. Is it really any surprise political advocacy is higher during political season?
And what makes this “astroturfed”?
Every single time I open Lemmy I see at least 5 posts about " voting third party bad" it is not much different from reddit during the 2016/2020 campaign. How it is run now I wouldnt know because I havent browsed reddit since 2023.
Even political Memes are generally lighthearted and people dont fight as much in the comments compared to reddit.
These are just facts though. Until idiots stop voting 3rd party and spoiling elections for fascists, this pattern will continue.
You would be better off convincing the ignorant to stop engaging in the Spoiler Effect.
Then the memes shall stop. Everyone wins.
A better solution would be for the US to implement some kind to voting system where third party voting does matter. Like lots of the world has.
100% agree. The only way to that is electing Dems and sending the GOP the way of the Whigs.
Yep. The thing I worry about is, even if the dems pull of a win that gives them the power to do this, would they actually do it? I doubt it, somehow.
“Things I disagree with are being upvoted so it must be a coordinated campaign”
That is so disengenious and you know it…
Is it? Your complaint is that things you disagree with are appearing more frequently, which they do when people upvote them. Sorry most of us have similar feelings about not voting / voting third party, but the only reason you’d call it astroturfing is if you think it’s disingenuous.
You dont like voting third party/not voting, yet you would frame me as your opponent…Nice framing. I haven’t said I disagree or agree with it. Not everything is so black and white as you may see it.
All I said was is that I don’t like seeing the same posts appear X times on political Memes every day.
And what I think is disengenious is the way you frame it. To frame my statement as such that I support not voting/ voting third party.
Astroturfing is when there is a disingenuous coordinated campaign with a goal in mind. This post is specifically against not voting or voting third party, and you came here to complain about seeing too many things like this post. If your complaint was about seeing too many voting / politics memes in general, I imagine you would recognize what sub this is and what month it is.
I don’t believe you would be calling an abundance of voting related memes in a political memes sub this close to an election with no goal in mind “astroturfing” unless you didn’t know what the word meant. The obvious implication is that you believe there is a disingenuous coordinated campaign against voting third party or not voting. My point is that there doesn’t have to be. It’s more likely that many people, myself included, agree with the message of the political meme in the politics sub, and probably more than normal since we are so close to the election.
Oh, I agree that it has been astroturfed. Anyone who’s been on this site longer than a few months can tell you that.
Except it’s not memes like this that are being pushed. In fact, this meme is a direct response to the massive influx of propaganda that this site has seen in the past couple of months.
I live in a deep red state. Not a swing state. Not a questionable state. A state where registered red voters outnumber blue voters 2-1.
I’m not saying that this applies to everyone but even if blue had an excellent turnout including me and reds had a bad turnout, it would still be a red win with a ratio 3-2.
I’m not voting not because I don’t care, not because I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, not for some moral high ground, but because it actually doesn’t matter. I am disenfranchised, I accept it, I make the best decisions I can knowing that.
I’m sure some will still tell me I’m wrong but I’m going to focus on my own interests and mental health.
If you are in a swing state, please vote. If not for yourself, for me. I’ll consider it a favor.
(I have good reasons for living here. If you tell me I should move then why don’t you move to a swing state?)
It’s still worth voting for those down-ballot items. I’m in a very blue area of a swing state and we currently have some local ballot proposals that are so poorly written they’ll get the city mired in lawsuits for years to come.
You are quite dug in on the presidential election, but do keep in mind you are usually also voting for local/county positions on that same ballot, where one vote often makes the difference and has a more immediate impact on your interests
I like this, talking about your mental health. Whatever that means for many others, it’s just about you.
Honestly your mental health will be alot worse off if you’re part of the problem. Just vote.
I’m not an American (thank fuck) but I don’t see any reason why I’d help red. At all. It’s blue all the way since at least Kamala has some sense in her.
Ask yourself, why does everyone care about Palestinians so badly, do you even know any to begin with?
I am al for ending suffering but it seems the focus about what it’s really about is lost in the elections…
Ask yourself, why does everyone care about Palestinians so badly, do you even know any to begin with?
Why should people speak out when they come for communists, when they’re not communists?
Why should people speak out when they come for socialists, when they’re not socialists?
Why should people speak out when they come for trade unionists, when they’re not trade unionists?
Why should people speak out when they come for Jews, when they’re not Jewish?
Why should people speak out when they come for Palestinians, when they’re not Palestinian?
Because if you don’t speak out for them, there will be no one left to speak out for you.
How can you help anyone when you carry the burden of the world on your shoulders.
Do what is right.
Good luck!
https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/south-dakota/?r=0
If you add all registered Dems and independents it still doesn’t reach the number of Republicans that actually voted for Trump.
So again, not part of the problem, Disenfranchised.
Just go vote dude. It takes you five minutes, you probably already know who you’d vote for regardless. You literally have nothing to lose
Just a short question:
So you don’t vote because it doesn’t matter - but is it just to save a few minutes that you would rather spend on something else?
If it was me, I would always want to exercise my democratic powers (it might be the last time, hehe), but perhaps I am also not too bothered about wasting my time.
My state was red until it was purple. If all the potential blue voters in your state took the time to vote instead of just assuming it was futile, you might find out that your state could actually be purple too.
https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/south-dakota/?r=0
If you add all registered Dems and independents it still doesn’t reach the number of Republicans that actually voted for Trump.
Fucking thank you. Some of us are old enough to remember when Texas was “solid red with no chance of ever switching” and yet the past several elections have told a different story.
