The pros are plentiful. But the cons are compelling: partner and job schedules must align or it sucks.
When I worked nights, I had a gf who kept wanting to do stuff when I needed to be going to bed.
When I worked nights, twice a week I’d stay up 36 consecutive hours to realign my schedule with my partner’s and then back to my job’s.
I miss working nights and I miss being young.
Work more night shifts. Date more goths.
I did date a few goths when I worked nights!
We know that people have different chronotypes. We even know that most people of working age aren’t really morning people. Unfortunately, our business world assumes a standard circadian rhythm and is structured around getting up early because people needed to use every bit of daylight way back when. So that sucks, especially if you’re an evening or even night person.
I find I’m the most productive at 3am. It’s a real shame that I’m forced to sleep through it.
Woah same! I start doing things around 11 PM and then do them until about 5, which is real nice when you’re alone…
Shh… if the normies find out you’ll ruin it for all of us.
Oh no, imaging Normie’s coming in at you at 5 AM with u making a sandwich
Early death is what’s not to like.
Source?
Credible sources only of course.
Iirc that is only true in the sense that being queer does the same. It isn’t anywhere near comparable in severity of course, I’ve never had a single person rant at me for being awake at 3am, but it’s still a constricting society that punishes people for sticking out in big and small ways that causes compounding issues in people.
The source I found seem to confirm specifically to the heart related issues, differentiating it from all-cause and cancer.
In total transparency it’s one of these fact people in my circle into getting PhDs and reading papers bring up consistently so I never looked it up, something about night shifts correlate high as fuck to lower life expectation, something about stress, sun, heart regulation.
I’ll look something up just for you once I get to a PC.
What if the causation is the other way around?
That would mean the quality of those research sucked.
There you go: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1389945721004512
(I’m not well versed in “credible” in the science field. I read meta-anlysis in a mostly textual website, I think it’s credible)
“The day is ok and the sun can be fun, but I live to see those rays slip away”
From “I Love the Night” - Blue Oyster Cult
You’re making me miss third shift, sort of. I don’t know if I would ever go back to it again. There was something so peaceful about being up during the night, though. I miss it sometimes.
I have a pet theory that in the old times before there was good lighting at night, people who rose early had been more productive and got richer. Their descendants remain part of the ruling class today, and that’s why companies usually demand that the work day starts early. Of course nowadays there’s no real need for that, they are just mad with power and want to show it off by oppressing the workers.
Where my crepuscular homies at?
By the Authority of Night Shift Gremlins HQ thatericalper is hereby stripped of their Night Shift Membership for sharing classified information with Day Walkers. They are also expelled from all Nocturnal Activities under pain of Pain. Should they be seen engaging in nocturnal activity outside of their personal domicile all Night Shift Gremlins in witness are obligated under article 13 subsection Scarlet-7-Mentos-19 to use all necessary force to cease the offending nocturnal activity and return the offender to a NSG approved Class-3 holding cell where they will be held until daybreak when an automated system will release them into the light of day where they rightfully belong. Repeated violations will incur severe non-life threatening yet highly inconvenient punishments.
Thus is our way.
Fuck the Sun. Shun the Day Walkers.
/signed, Thadious Methweazel. Adjunct Arch-Gremlin.
There are fringe benefits to exploiting/integrating the swarm of autonomous self replicating bipedal drones.
No where is open, because everyone went to sleep
this is why i want to live in a big city (for you americans that means larger than 100k people, i don’t mean “tokyo”), you can always find something sensible open even if it’s on the other side of the city, and public transport generally at least somewhat operates even at 3am.
Another thing that needs to change. All the night owls can have their night owl businesses tending to their night owl customers, and the basically-fascist horseshit ideas about nighttime activity being suspicious or illicit can die the deaths they never should have to die because they never should have lived in the first place.
Years ago when my schedule allowed it, I slept from 2am to midday for a month. Probably the one time in my adult life that I had caught up on my sleep debt, it was glorious. Although it seemed once I was “caught up” I couldn’t sleep that long anymore.
My soul yearns for 4am-12pm sleep schedule.
Bad for your long term health
Not sure what you mean by not socially acceptable, there’s a lot of night work
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No worries, I take Vitamin D pills. I have surpassed my sun-addicted brethren.
Circadian clock issue unfortunately
Any studies concluding a corelation between being awake at night and poor health are likely measuring many confounding factors. There’s no way to isolate that variable. Certain groups are more likely to stay up into the night, which could equally be the cause. It also requires, as the post implies, giving up certain activities. Those activities may promote good health in some way.
Any actual medical condition caused by nighttime activity could be managed, like vitamin D deficiency. The societal factors can’t be, although if it was more common and acceptable that could level out some of the variables.
It’s not that this lifestyle isn’t socially acceptable, but it comes with some disadvantages. As pointed out by others, if you have a partner that is living an opposite lifestyle (“normal” day time work - night time sleep) you both wouldn’t have that much time together being awake and active. Also, another disadvantage is that everyone else is active during your resting time, which is during the day. Loud neighbors, traffic, socializing, etc. Errands, like appointments, are often possible only during daytime.
Attending a nocturnal lifestyle over an extended period of time is also less healthy from the biological point of view.
I commented on someone else saying this, but I’ll say it here also. There’s no way to isolate the variable of a noctural lifestyle. There are many confounding factors that can’t be controlled. Is it that being awake at night that isn’t healthy or are people who feel like being awake at night already typically less healthy? I’d bet on the latter.
We can take vitamin D supplements, so that isn’t the issue. However, a lot about your lifestyle must change with this, as you say. Is this a cause? Are nocturnal favoring people associated with mental health issues? Do nocturnal people eat less healthy? (Fewer options to healthy eating open?)
Studies involving humans are flawed. We can’t control every factor of someone’s life, so usually it’s self reported and also not forcing lifestyle changes on people —at least not for long term studies. They’re still useful, but people often look at studies that say “nocturnal lifestyle associated with worse long-term health outcomes” and read “nocturnal lifestyle causes worse long-term health outcomes” which is a very different thing.
Something something correlation doesn’t imply causation. I agree.
Just kidding, I read the whole post. Not kidding about the agreement , though.
My wife is nocturnal, and also is currently having severe depression. I think she just prefers to avoid people as much as possible, because of the depression, not that the nocturnal lifestyle has caused the depression.
TIL the verb “to shut up” keeps its same form in the past tense (not a native speaker)
I don’t think so. Im like 90% sure it should be “everyone shuts up”
Rules in the English language are an exception, not the rule
