- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at [email protected]
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked [email protected].
If this is a problem for you, I’d suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn’t block it (such as lemm.ee).
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I mean I get it, it’s a business move. I’ll just make an account there and continue to use it. Pirates sail the seas with their own ship and crew - they’re used to this sort of thing 🏴☠️
So I’ve seen u/loudWaterEnjoyer suggest the Divisions by zero instance, which I applied for (be sure to follow the vetting rules!), and u/Historical_General mentioned and suggested the lemm.ee and lemmy.ml instances, but it appears that the .ml TLD throws a “registration_closed” error…
Anybody have any other suggestions for backups and secondary accounts, that aren’t
lemmy.dbzer0.com ,
lemm.ee , or
lemmy.ml
??Wow. Well here I was wondering if I should stick with kbin or switch back to lemmy.world. Guess this makes the decision for me.
I’m so thankful the kbin.social owner doesn’t give in to the relentless cries and pearl clutching for censorship. You want piracy? Go right ahead! You want to make fun of politicians? Be my guest! You have the “wrong” political beliefs? Just don’t go there if it offends you.
From my understanding, Safe Harbor Provisions in the US ensure that as long as the owner responds to DMCA requests in the allotted time, they are not liable for what users post on their sites.
Seeing as the Fediverse is way under corporate radar so far, it seems to be prudent to just wait and see what happens. Then maybe enforce a “no direct links to piracy” if needed. I don’t think you can sue a site for simply referring people to sites that do have illegal content, just hosting.
Self censorship is a big problem with a lot of the US or in general.
That is what seems to be the case in this instance? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Will we still have access to other similar communities in federated instances or are those blocked too to lemmy.world users?
sons of bitches
Some of the comments in here are a fucking disgrace and a disappointment.
I just shut down my own self-hosted instance the other week because of legal concerns. Caching anything and everything that gets pushed to my server and basically having to put all my faith in other admins taking care of illegal stuff in a timely manner was stressful and not worth the risk. And that was a solo instance!
It’s only a matter of time until lawyers backed by millions of dollar come knocking on the door of lemmy admins and I can’t fault lw for being pro-active. Whether or not it’s legal in your jurisdiction to host communities like this doesn’t matter at all if you’re not the one with a name attached to the server. Even wrongful legal claims by copyright holders are costly and time intensive to fight back against.
Why should a private person who hosts an instance for thousands of users for free subject themselves to such a risk?
What’s the fucking point. The community isn’t even hosted on lemmy.world. I don’t want to have to create a new a account on a new instance every time a dumbass admin decices to block a community I follow. Lemmy is doomed to fail.
It’s illegal so of course they have to block it.
You can find pirated material on the web elsewhere so why is it important if it’s on Lemmy or not?
Imagine if the idiotic media starts writing about Lemmy as a pirate network or something worse.
It’s adult individuals running these servers, not companies. They would get punished in 2 seconds.
You want them to risk committing crimes for running a Lemmy instance?
If you want to downvote this, maybe you should run something illegal first in public and see how it goes.
Beauty of fediverse, people can just find another spot or move to another instance while most of the community continues no problem.
Just an example that system working as intended
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Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?
Check this program: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
but only if you know enough about the fediverse to be aware; if i had no logged into like i usually don’t do on these days, i would never know and spend the rest of my time on lemmy.world trying to figure out why i can’t find any pirating stuff to share.
True but nothing a little education can’t fix.
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
I would think it would be the responsibility of lemmy.world to put up a notice of why they’ve done this, if they’ve not then that potentially reflects badly on them (but I don’t know enough about the details and reasons).
True, would have expected something in [email protected] but there’s been nothing announced there.
Makes me a bit suspicious that there is any credibility to the claim. We’re going off a supposed screenshot of what looks like a Discord message?
Glad I host my own instance so I get to choose what I get to see.
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn’t care about stuff like this.
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
This is basically what I did not that long ago.
I made my account here while waiting for the instance I actually wanted to come online
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn’t care about stuff like this.
its not a bug, its a feature! the faceless admins get to tell you watch content you can get now, not a faceless corporations! its so good that all the instances are starting a war with each other over the content they host because it means we have the choice of who gets to decide what content we like to see!.
I can sense the sarcasm of your post, yet the words you’ve written are actually true. This is exactly what decentralisation is all about. on some other websites you might lose access to the content entirely, on the fediverse you can just go there direct and still get all of the content, nobody can ever take that away from you except for the people who manage that content.
That’s literally the main selling point of this kind of setup. Nobody, faceless or otherwise, can stop you accessing any of the content.
decentralize a centralized socialmedia format. amazing strategy.
Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?
I think the answer is not yet, but unless you’re some kind of fediverse celebrity it shouldn’t be that burdensome, right?
No but I believe there is something on GitHub to help subscribe to the same communities once you create a new account.
You are completely right, but account migration also needs to become available for situations like this.
It wasn’t the largest when some of us joined…
There was 1000 people about when I signed up.
I don’t remember where it was for me, but I do remember it being the hop-on point for me into Lemmy because it was already well populated, so I figured it meant “good”. Now that I understand lemmy better, I’ve realized I don’t need to patron it anymore - there are better instances for me. I suspect that this is a good thing that something is causing users to move. I’m sure .world is the face of fediverse, or at least lemmy, for many at this point and will continue to grow in user base. Maybe losing users on the back end will satisfy the DDOS attackers, and also lighten the load while .world’s admin get it figured out.
Maybe this is a natural process of the fediverse?
Maybe this is a natural process of the fediverse?
on the mastodon side at least quite a few people started off on mastodon.social and migrated over to smaller instances (or in some cases migrated to entirely different software families like pleroma or misskey)
i’d go as far as to say (jokingly ofc) that you aren’t a true member of the fediverse if you didn’t migrate at least once
I went with lemmy world so i could catch the widest net in content. And up till now i agreed with the reasoning of the other defederating.s But it seems like it won’t take much to provoke more restrictions. Guess i will have to lurk in other shores.
What a snarky thing to say
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Maybe I didn’t have my crystal ball nearby when I was creating my Lemmy account.
Maybe many users will have an account on the largest server, because by definition it’s the largest server, with the most users. 🙄
because by definition it’s the largest server, with the most users. 🙄
Which generally means it’ll be the slowest and most overloaded. With federated systems, it’s best to avoid large instances.
It’s so easy to change instances, and there are extensions and things to export/import your subscriptions, etc. Just head over to one ones that’s hosting the content, or check out others to see if they will keep federated with the pirate communities. Make the same username, and most won’t even know that you’re posting from a different instance. You can still see everything you did before, just also possibly some other stuff. You might also get beehaw and hexbear (for better or for worse is up to you)! I feel like I might hop instances a few more times before I settle.
It’s so easy to change instances, and there are extensions and things to export/import your subscriptions, etc.
Hmmm
Okay, you’re not on Reddit anymore where things are just easy because they spent time to figure it out. Fediverse is just a fledging group of sites that are getting an influx of users, while still trying to figure out both their instance, and cooperative rules that fit both their values and the wants/needs of their users. You want a well oiled machine, jump back into the mainstream where they use your data to personalize the adds they place between all the things you want to see. Or, you can go with the flow as this new ecosystem forms, sans ads, and free of data collection.
It’s fine if you’re not ready.
Hey. It’s me, the other instance. How about we meet up?
I highly recommend opening a lurking account in one of the NSFW instances. They are probably some of the fastest, most progressive and best funded instances on Lemmy. You do not have to browse the NSFW content.
Also, they don’t ask for your email! A friend told me that.
Shhh don’t tell people my secrets!
What’s their email? ;-D
I don’t think that makes sense if you’re worried about defederation. Porn instances are particularly at risk of being defederated from (and thus you potentially can’t interact with large communities).
No I swear I just have an account there for all the SFW stuff!!!
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Some of us made our accounts on lemmy.world within a week(?) of its creation when it was tiny (June 5 for me). Doesn’t stop it from belonging on mildly infuriating
It was the only server that was accepting when I joined. I still have applications at a few, but never got approved. Signed up on startrek.website yesterday. I was motivated by the ddos more than any thing else.
Honestly, I just found this place first, and I don’t remember what I came here for. I didn’t make an account, then I did recently and now get approved. Lets goo. Options are great the advantage of the Fediverse is that you can always create a new server instance every time. Probably always changing your IP every time the server gets taken down and have none of the names associated with it are the same.
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
To give credit where it’s due, when the big Reddit migration happened many instances could not handle the influx of migrating users. Some people might have only had .world as an option.
Situation still sucks tho. Hope upcoming Lemmy updates make moving accounts between instances easier.
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim is already a pretty easy option
To be fair, I don’t know where world is hosted by at least according to my local law here they’d be right: linking to piracy can get you in trouble.
Now usually you can safely ignore this still, sure. Unless you’re large. And with world being so big I could see them being the very first target someone would drag in front of a court if they are in a place where such laws exist. It sounds stupid, but I can understand why the devs would not want to go through that.
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What an absolutely cowardly move. It’s one thing to not allow piracy on your own server, that’s you’re right, but to prevent your users from accessing communities on other servers? Way to give in to copyright trolls without even being asked. I would understand even if they received some kind of Cease and Desist. It doesn’t seem like it, it seems like they’re just willing sycophants who will probably federate with Meta at first opportunity.
Wait… What does that mean for me, whose account is on lemmy.dbzer0.com ? Legitimate question, I’m not totally familiar with how everything works yet
Nothing. It’s just 3 communities on dbzero that are blocked. There’s no defederation so you as a user signed up to dbzero can still participate in any .world community and any .world user can still interact with communities on dbzero apart from the three named.
Thank you!
