As an alternative to lemmy.world I would like to suggest my own instance endlesstalk.org.
I have no plans to deferate or ban anything releated to piracy. Only thing that might change my mind would probably be a company taking legal action against me.
I also strive to have as little downtime as possible and keep everything running smoothly.
only time would prove that ur instance would be reliable.
also ur instance won’t be an exception: when corps deem that u hav a high enough usercount instance that is making piracy content accessible among users, they wouldn’t hesitate to threat u legally, so federation with pirate instances shouldn’t be a selling point, unless u have an unlimited stock of money to hire a lawyering firm… still, i would gladly vouch for ur instance. We Lemmy as a whole can’t do much against corp action: they have the financial means to afford legal action, or run unlimited ddos attacks for days, bringing Lemmy basically to its knees, we need to learn how to tread through this, instead of acting like tough guys.
Also hope more people come out and advertize their instance and vowing that they u would maintain it as humanly possible, cause i am running out of recommendations honestly
If your offering boils down to “the same that lemmy.world is offering” (other than with potentially better uptime lol,) then it’s not that great an offering as you make it to be.
What’s the difference between instances except federation and blocked communities? It’s the same content anyways.
Lemmy.world does a great job(with a little downtime) and it is the same software we are hosting, so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better “offering”
- Better uptime as you mentioned
- Different deferation/moderation policy.
- Visual customizations(eg. different theme)
I try to provide a better uptime and a different deferation/moderation policy. I don’t have the skills to make visual customizations, but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
I’m open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the “offering”.
so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better “offering”
(2.) mostly covers pretty much anyone one would want to do, offer-wise. It’s also the aspect that’s currently the most distinguishable across the instances marketplace. But the issue is, it’s one thing to say that you are going to offer a different defederation / moderation policy (“we’re going to allow piracy”, for example) and another thing is sticking to it (“, unless some legal threat”). If what you are saying is “I’m not gonna block piracy until it’s somehow inconvenient for me”, not only is that the same flat offering most of everyone else is making, but it’s also a nebulous offering because it tells a new user nothing useful and offers no commitments: When is that “inconvenient” gonna be? What is the measure for “inconvenient”? What’s gonna happen then? How will we know? (no, suddenly finding that the instance you had an account on now redirects to the FBI is not good enough).
I’m open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the “offering”.
Add more qualifications to your offering, such as:
- Are you going to close upon any legal threat, or only upon a certain degree or size of threat?
- From the US only, or from any country?
- Will you close instantly, or will you guarantee a Minimum Survivability Timeframe for eg.: helping users to migrate away, like Mastodon’s covenant does?
but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
If you add the JS-less frontends, you, like others who are doing it, are doing Yahweh / Arceus / Allah / Amaterasu 's work.
Thank you for clarifying(and sorry for the late answer).
For you (and anyone interested) I will answer the questions you asked.
Are you going to close upon any legal threat, or only upon a certain degree or size of threat?
If the legal threat is real(they have a real chance to win in a court) and there is nothing I could do(come to an agreement, move the hosting to another server etc), then I would close the server.
From the US only, or from any country?
Server is hosted in Germany
Will you close instantly, or will you guarantee a Minimum Survivability Timeframe for eg.: helping users to migrate away, like Mastodon’s covenant does?
As long as there aren’t fines for keeping the website up or I get arrested, I would give a notice, so users can move to another server.
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I’ve begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.
When I looked at that site to see what everyone is talking about, it looked dead with most posts having no comments. Am I missing something? Doesn’t really seem like a threat to Lemmy.
Who are exploding heads? I.e. what about people from that instance?
Hitlerite instance
Yea, looks like a pretty bad gutter alley they got there, it’s one of those “anything goes freedom of speech” just to cover up for despicable ranty slurring.
I know, right? How dare they stop us from stealing movies and computer games!
100% understand why Lemmy World did this. Piracy opens the floodgates for legal trouble and is largely the reason why the piracy community over on Reddit is probably one of the most sanitized, locked-down and censored parts of the site.
Would you want a non-profit being sued to oblivion because somebody posted torrent links?
i hate seeing this downvoted. people need to grow a brain.
The piracy community already bans direct piracy links. The rules aren’t that much different from the subreddit, so there’s
This whole debacle with lemmy.world is mainly from the admins making a dumb decision.
I know, right? How dare they stop us from stealing movies and computer games!
Oh no, the scummy AAA punishers are going to make marginally less profit this quarter! Won’t someone please think of the corporations!?
Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.
It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down…
It’s not going down from normal user load.
If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.
Yeah the whole E for effort thing isn’t going to get them far. I just left. I don’t think many people are leaving Lemmy at this point, but courting different instances is a wonderful thing for the strength of the system. I am strongly in the camp that there needs to be a universal tool for account migration though. This is getting tedious.
If you’re on that instance they make pinned posts pretty frequently where they explain all that…
Do you want them to call everyone individually and let them know?
citation needed
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I’ve explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.
Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.
You can’t really kill a decentralized service without burning down the whole internet. Another way would be to offer a competing services, but that hasn’t killed e-mail yet.
do you think i’d have a chance at getting in if for my application i just say i want to get away from lemmygrad and hexbear?
It wouldn’t hurt mentioning that as part of your application lol
For the record I never wanted to create an account on lemmy.world, but I ultimately did so because other instances including lemmy.ml were not operational when a mass of users moved on from reddit so I just settled for this one.
The fediverse needs to address this without making it the users problem, not my fault shit don’t work, I’m just here for memes and all the porn 😎
Edit: Lemmy didn’t have to recreate reddits shit formatting either
You joined way after me. You just didn’t look around enough.
Cool, tell me more about my experience, since you seem to be an expert
Sorry if I came off wrong. Maybe it’s because lemmy.world never worked for me but I found many instances in that time.
Have a good day/night
Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.
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Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the “face” of Lemmy it’s probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the “uninitiated normies” out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don’t mind it but it’s definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I’ve noticed a lot more “normie” content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Piracy not appealing to the everyman? With the relentless rise in the cost of living and with streaming services increasing costs and cracking down on password sharing, I don’t see many people turning up their nose at piracy these days.
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It makes it look like scary hackerman place
If that keeps the normies out then it’s a win.
I put quotes around it to imply I was using the term sarcastically because people who use it in earnest look like elitist douchebags.
Ah, you got me
I’m okay with that, people generally not inclined to pirate must not visit a pirated sub, by choice or by accident. They may get culture shock and mistake perfectly legal conversations for other things and make a false report.
Those who want to pirate generally knows how to search for communities for piracy. No matter who’s blocking who, they’ll eventually find what they want. The block will act as a filter of some sorts.
Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.
Yeah, I’m fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of “jailbait.”
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there’s something I want to find I’ll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I’m not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don’t manage the server and I’m not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what’s right and legal.
Why don’t you just block the communities yourself?
You have the ability to do that, but instead you’re demanding that the instance admins take the choice away from you?
This is some nanny state shit. It’s like saying “I don’t want to see morally qiestionable things like drag shows, the government should ban them!” Like just block it and don’t fucking go there if you don’t want to see it. Don’t advocate for taking the choice away from everyone.
They will never be the face because they’re always down.
You ain’t wrong lol
Don’t you all love democracy?
Let’s vote on who is the face of the fediverse.
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Don’t you all love democracy?
This sentence implies that you don’t. Why don’t you like democracy?
@[email protected] was saying that the “face of lemmy” wasn’t voted on, and is surprised, because libs like yourself usually like democracy…
it implies that it’s not democracy. people just make accounts based on which instance is currently the largest.
Sweet logo, ngl
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Here’s our actual logo.
My obvious bias aside it is a banger logo.
It comes in lots off different flavors.
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Those are sick ngl.
linkZ to the NFTZ?
Huh? What NFTs?
The NFT was a lie.
We are socialists… just right click and save them.
I think it was a joke and a really good one.
yep, just signed up on a different instance 🙂
Holy fucking shit they’re blocking piracy? What a bunch of losers. Get off the anti-corporate platform built on copyleft principles if you have a problem with piracy.
Yes, because it’s illegal. If you’re going to be the biggest host you’re a bigger target which means you need to be more careful. What’s good about the fediverse is that you have distributed instances so smaller ones can support things like piracy, and if a small one gets taken down there will be others in its place. The same game of whack a mole is what has allowed torrent tracker sites to exist. If there was one centralized torrent tracker site it would get shut down.
What the post says is exactly right. You’d be an idiot to have one account for your normal usage and piracy usage. In your normal usage you’ll inevitably leak personally identifiable information. Having multiple accounts and multiple instances is the exactly right thing to do to keep piracy alive.
Reddit never had any issues with r/Piracy. They don’t host anything, they just refer to websites that host stuff. If anything they’d help companies to discover what websites they should take down.
There is nothing illegal about talking about piracy. Get a grip. This is entirely about taking a moral position, because the server is run by liberals with a clear and obvious political position, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists.
They’re not just talking about piracy, they’re linking to it. There’s piracy subs on Reddit too and they’re allowed because they are very careful to only talk about it and not link to it, and they’re severely gimped because of that. What’s great about lemmy is that instances that are on with the risk can do so without having to follow anyone else’s rules and users can access it by simply having another account.
Linking to pirate sites is also not illegal. https://1337x.to/ woooooooOOooOOooooo scary! I just broke the lawwwww according to you, get a grip.
I think the media companies have been abusing the DMCA to go after people who link to pirated material. also, I’m starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they’re trying to “clean” the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans. it’s a conservative interpretation of the law, especially the recent rounds that purported to go after human trafficking but actually forced major websites to take down anything remotely objectionable.
Ahh they’re trying to sell out. Gross.
Wasn’t the admin of .world one of the ones who went into the NDA’d cocksucking meetups with Meta?
“Wow, Blockbuster sucks because I have to drive to a physical store. I know, let’s open up another brick-and-mortar store that’s exactly like Blockbuster minus the name recognition. That’ll show 'em!”
I’m starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they’re trying to “clean” the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans.
If that’s true they’re idiots. It’s not even fucking necessary. All the social media VCs deliberately take the most neutral stance possible for the LARGEST possible userbases. Did reddit? Did any other social media site do that? Fuck no they didn’t. They viewed them as user sources and valuable towards growth. It’s literally the opposite of what every VC funded group does.
The cleanup only happens before an IPO. During VC funding companies are always as free as they can possibly be.
yeah, that’s the part that confuses me. whatever it is, it’s another stupid decision in a series of stupid decisions, and hopefully it just kills the instance.
I created an account today on lemm.ee because I thought defeterating from hexbear sucked, then there were others and today was the last straw, even though I don’t pirate. I didn’t leave reddit for more restrictive platform. Lemmy.world sucks balls.
The losers are commenting on this site as well.
https://hexbear.net/post/317675
Transphobia? That’s cool with them. Treating food workers like shit? Also fine. But watch a copy of a movie? “Horrible theft”. There are people dying over preventable causes due to patents that aren’t even held by the creators. I hate liberals
lmao of course the bootlicker clutches pearls over “trans ideology”.
Eh? It’s understandable. They shouldn’t be forced to deal with any legal issues that come with it.
You can just use another instance that fits your needs, isn’t that the whole point of this decentralized model?
There are no legal issues. You can fucking talk about piracy completely legally. This is a moral position being taken under the excuse of legality by liberals who run their server with a strict political leaning, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists and defederation from every left wing space.
Hasn’t reddit already gotten into legal trouble multiple times regarding that sub? Even very recently with film piracy.
And let’s not pretend these communities only ‘discuss’ piracy, as much as they try to keep it within that limit. These corporations wouldn’t care even if they did.
The idea that corporations will come after federated instances that aren’t even creating the posts instead of the source is nonsensical. Until the source is attacked there is literally no reason anyone should be concerned, and if the source is taken down then it won’t be on other instances anymore anyway.
The idea that corporations will come after federated instances that aren’t even creating the posts instead of the source is nonsensical
Is it? Content from federated instances are cached on the instance itself too, no?
I wouldn’t take the risk federating with legally questionable instances, and no one should have to. I’d just use an alt account for that on another instance that is federated, and I do.
if the source is taken down then it won’t be on other instances anymore anyway.
That doesn’t seem to be the case. vlemmy.net has gone down permanently it seems, and I can still access the content on there that were made while it was up from other instances.
Honest question, is there an app or frontpage that would allow to mix instances that are not federated? Unless an instance has access to everything, having two accounts will show a lot of duplicated contentent (for example, in “all” it will show [email protected] in likely all instances)
Facilitating Piracy no matter how you put it is wrong and illegal, it is wrong and illegal to support people who do it.
Remember Netizen, when you’re pirating Disney, you’re downloading communism!
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Facilitating Piracy no matter how you put it is wrong and illegal, it is wrong and illegal to support people who do it.
I love how some people assume that everyone agrees on the ethics of piracy
Piracy is bad, mkay?
“You wouldn’t download a communism”
A would download & 3D print both communism & Disney, then watch them fight
Where is this quote from
it’s the admin message on lemmy.world
i haven’t read that anywhere
Old poster but I’m not sure the exact year
no I meant the first quote (thx tho)
For some reason now when I try to view the comment it’s not there, but I can see it in the full comment thread. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2195177
thanks a lot!
Lemmy.world blocked the dbzer0 instance? I guess it’s time to switch then…
They didn’t block the whole instance, just the specific piracy community.
Lol, that’s fine by me, coz I’m here living in dbzer0, arrr!
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Dude, just make multiple accounts. Don’t use one account for everything or you’ll associate personally identifiable information with your piracy account.
Lemmy.world banned piracy so a lot of people will stop using lemmy.world, splitting the load
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can’t subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that’s the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That’s why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy’s strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
De-federation is bad.
