All smartphones, including iPhones, must have replaceable batteries by 2027 in the EU::undefined
Fuck the EU. I hope we still get good small phones and EU assholes only get big bloated as fuck ones.
This is EU actively making my phone more shitty.
How old are you? Small phones with replacement batteries have always existed. Batteries being removable has nothing to do with size, that’s industry propaganda.
If anything, phones have gotten BIGGER as batteries became non-removable. But that’s just because people buy big phones more.
Name one lmao
MOST flagship Android phones 10 years ago were small and had removable batteries. The Galaxy S5 was the last flagship from Samsung to do it, to name one.
They’ve always been bigger. You show me a phone with a removable battery and I’ll show you a phone that’s smaller with similar features from a close time period. Might even be ip68 to boot.
HTC droid Incredible.
Your logic is flawed. Phones have only gotten BIGGER as removable batteries have been phased out. Nearly every phone today is huge, and hardly any have removable batteries.
The Galaxy S series had removable batteries until the S6 dropped the feature. And the S5 was IP67 rated. Small, waterproof phones with big, removable batteries are entirely possible. You’re just falling for the propaganda.
Search for galaxy s5. And there were plenty of other ones too. Or you just forgot the /s
What about the small phones back in the 00’s with replaceable batteries?
All of them bigger than integrated solutions.
Who says there can’t be SFF phones with replacable batteries. In fact, old samsung phones had replacable batteries.
And they were bigger than comparable htc’s, were flimsy, and ip68 was a pipe dream.
Speaking of this topic, can someone recommend some “free” phone, free as in speech, with disk storage of at least 0.75 TB (with or without sd card)?
I wanted to get a pixel and install graphene on it, but the max storage there is 256 GB, which is miserably low, with no sd card. I’m considering Fairphone. Any suggestions?
Looking forward to seeing If companies will just do the bare minimum to pass or if we’ll see some actual innovation. It would be cool to be able to buy spare batteries, that are quick to replace and easy to carry around along with a charging station or something so you can always have a full battery with you.
I bet The Apple battery, just a replacement or a dedicated module like I said above, will be starting at like $249
Modern batteries have a thin polymer shell. Sit down with that spare battery in the same pocket as your keys, and your leg is going to catch on fire.
My old Nokia had a swappable battery - but that battery was thicker than an entire iPhone.
Quality power banks have been around for years.
This is just extra steps to a fat phone.
Apple will figure out a way to DRM batteries so that no one but them can sell them and they’ll cost as much as a new phone.
EU citizenship is a dream.
Waterprood Devuces do not need a Changeable Batterie because its a Loophole in the Paper
No doubt an unpopular opinion, but I’d rather keep the IP rating than be able to swap my own battery without the phone becoming a literal brick.
I doubt this is a scenario where we can have both.
You can absolutely have both. In fact the galaxy S5 had both a swappable battery and IP67. Tons of devices do. Glued construction was always about reducing manufacturing costs, not about an IP rating.
I would rather have expandable storage mandated than replaceable batteries but obviously that’s not going to happen.
Galaxy S5 had a removable battery and IP67 and is a 2014 phone. The technology was there, so it has probably evolved enough in this 9 years.
There are a few phones that have removable batteries with good water resistance. No phone is completely waterproof, so I don’t really care whether It can withstand 1 meter of water for 5 minutes verse 10 meters of water for an hour. It’s not like I am taking my phone snorkeling.
The Samsung S5 had an IP rating of 67, which can withstand temporary submersion and had removable batteries. I frigging loved that phone.
Sony Xperia latest ones have headphone jack, IP rating for salt water, SD card, toolless sim tray and headphone jack. With a 4k screen. It’s absolutely fine. Manufacturers just don’t care.
They should also demand unlocked boot loaders and open drivers for all devices. That or steep penalties if they don’t support the devices for at least 10 years. We should have manuals and specifications for every component, really. We really need to reduce waste.
EU is killing it right now. Charging port regulation and now removable batteries in everything. If companies are forced to produce different models for the EU maybe just maybe it will be cost effective to just make all their phones with removable batteries. One can hope, cause you know the US wont pass that type of consumer protection regulation.
I’m afraid they will still find ways to make replacements expensive
I really don’t like the idea of governments regulating tech and innovations. Although this seems like a good idea, it could severely limit companies in the way they design their phones.
People think that Apple and Samsung maliciously make irreplaceable batteries, but these people barely know how to use their phone in the first place, much less how the phone was engineered. Battery implementation in super thin devices is not a simple affair. Requiring tech to have certain things is really dumb. Let the capitalistic market and buyers figure out what they need. Don’t force it through government.
Although I am also very much against government control over things and believe that for every one good control law from the government, we get 5 things that infringe upon our rights, I believe this particular legislation is a good one. I don’t think that phone manufacturers maliciously make irreplaceable batteries (although they do many other malicious things, so who knows), but there was a race for thinness back in the mid-2000s when irreplaceable batteries were “invented”; now it’s just inertia. In any case, I can see a demand for fully repairable items and believe that the market is moving in that direction; governments are just pushing it a little.
we can do better than soldered batteries inside unopenable super thin phone cases. These companies have no motivation to innovate any sort of repairability, and now they will have it.
Lol this is such bull shit
It’s not about motivation it’s about need
Nobody is clamoring for this accept the EU government and some right to repair fanatics who most likely don’t repair jack in their own lives and haven’t needed nor requested replacement smartphone batteries
Because nobody needs them anymore lol. Market buddy if this was something important we’d be getting it
Agreed. Too bad the 11 disagrees didn’t have the stones to voice their dissenting opinion
Good idea, terrible execution. I’d prefer they make manufacturers display the state of a battery (iOS already has this) and provide a single free battery replacement, which doesn’t expire with a warranty period. Also, battery replacement service should be free, customers should only pay for battery itself. Current implementation is ridiculous - I don’t want the return of fat smartphones with detachable battery.
It will also likely mean easier repairs. Louis Rossman just did a video on this
This. People read this and think about the removable batteries of Nokia bricks and plastic hardshells, but this would really hamper with IP68 rating. It probably just means the users must be able to replace the battery themselves, instead of artificially locking it down with DRM. And maybe provide some documentation. Otherwise phones would become so much worse, than they have been for more than a decade.
Louis was saying ‘Does everyone have collective amnesia?? We had IP68 phones with removable batteries already!’
I only remember the Samsung rugged ones, which do not look great. Some compromise will be needed to get removable batteries into phones. Compromises the buyer of a gold iPhone Pro Max to flex their wealth won’t appreciate. Not DRMing batteries and giving users access to documentation and tools for replacing the battery requires almost no compromise from no one (except a tiny dent in Apple‘s balance sheet, which they will recover from, I’m sure).
The Samsung galaxy S5 were IP67 rated with removable battery.
They also featured optional wireless charging, despite you being able to pop open the back and replace the battery.
And was one of the least successful S series phones.
When Apple want to, they can design amazing things. So I look forward to see if they come up with a clever Apple-like way to do this. Or maybe they just make it easier to remove the back.
“Batteries now cost as much as a new phone.” -Apple
If you buy each iphone components individually through Apple service center, the cost added up to equal multiple brand-new iphone (and you still not have enough components to assemble a full iphone).
This is nothing new. If you buy all the parts to a car from a car manufacturer it adds up to several cars.
I look forward to see if they come up with a clever Apple-like way to do this
Battery DRM?
Then they wouldn’t be able to sell their phones in the EU. Regulators may be stupid, but even they can see that it’s a blatant disregard to the rule of replaceable batteries.
I mean, Bosch eBikes already do this. You can only use official batteries with them
Watch Bosh change their tune a mere days before this law becomes effective.
As long as they can engineer a water resistant phone with these guidelines I’m all for it.
So tempted to wait until 2027 to buy my next iPhone
Lol
