Either that or America wanted a progressive Democrat candidate. We will never know because the second never happens.
Funny, because it has happened a couple times.
1860, 1936, and 1960. You know, some of the only moments in history America had a right to be proud of.
I don’t know we had a lot of anarchists bombing shit 1900-1920s pretty proud of that
Also the labor movement, revolting against a king I wouldve said is pretty based until the other day- but maybe we fucking need them if the people are…this
one only has to step outside and walk among the people out there to see how simple their view of life is. reading about it doesnt have the same effect and watching it on video is a scripted mess.
I’m fully ready to admit that America is an Idiocracy. It prefer to stay optimistic about the future, but when the majority of voters choose the Orange Sack of Shit in spite of everything we know about him, they must be fucking idiots. I’m ashamed to be associated with this country anymore. I’ve actually been anticipating that it will break up and balkanize. The goalposts keep moving but I really think it’s inevitable, and I just hope the process isn’t an apocalyptic mess.
Idiots and evil. Dont forget the evil voters.
Ill take balkanization over a dictatorship tbh, maybe we can try this union thing again when ruralites get sick of being trampled
This is basically the big thing that has been weighing on me. It’s very clear that the culture I thought I was brought up in, the thing that gave me pride, was not really US culture. It’s very clear to me that US culture values justice, democracy, truth, and the general wellbeing of people in no meaningful ways beyond the PR value of pretending to value these things. It’s very clear to me that this culture is way more racist, sexist, and classist than I was led to believe. It’s also very clear that this culture has an active disdain for education. In aggregate we are a gullible, irrationally emotional, entitled and greedy population with a nearly insatiable bloodlust for violence. We are, on the whole, a profoundly evil country made up of willfully ignorant masses that are ruled by duplicitous oligarchs. Now, I know that there are a lot of good people here. But there is nothing intrinsically American about their goodness. If anything they are an aberration from the seething awfulness that is America.
Very sad but very true.
I’d say we tend to still have a few good qualities from our culture (or at least a product of a subculture), but there absolutely no doubt about the bad ones. I especially hate how they are regarding education, since that’s one of the most important things we have.
It’s a shame we’re slowly losing those good qualities, though. Individualism, for instance, is at it’s extreme in the US and is one of the ways it’s attracted so many artists and creatives. Too bad corporate interests are eroding that steadily for decades, and fascism is likely to stifle the first amendment once and for all.
This is the thought that I’ve been trying to articulate. Those that are decent people aren’t good because they are Americans but in spite of being American.
Yep. Our culture teaches our children that being uneducated (or at least acting the part) is cool. That money and physical attractiveness are the only truly important things. We embody everything that all moral philosophies warn against. Even the good ones among us in this country are tainted by the toxic culture.
A lot of people are going to flip out mentally over this, maybe Ted Kazinsky level. I’m hoping to not lose my sanity, but I will never believe in America again. It cannot be trusted with not killing itself in a haze of selfish rage. Fuck this country.
This hurt me to read because I believe it. I wouldn’t have yesterday. I feel shame to live among these people anymore. I can’t reasonably leave but I’m not sure what else to do. This feels like defeat in a way I thought could never happen. Probably because I believed in those things that made America great. Not the government, but the people. You’re right, they are not the norm but the exception to what it means to be American. Fuck me.
This post does a good job of articulating how I’ve been feeling. I think last night made it very clear what the character of our country really is. Unsalvageable garbage, unworthy of our efforts to improve it.
The only way I’ll be able to get through this is by focusing on local things. This nation as a whole is indeed irredeemably evil. The only good to be found is on a smaller scale.
I came to that conclusion about 20 years ago when Bush II was re-elected
I’m probably a bit younger than you, but that election was the first one in which I was politically aware. It activated me and I’ve been fighting ever since, but I think I’m done now. My efforts will be spent locally, and will be conditional.
Yeah, it was bad when Bush was reelected. But even then, I felt people were treating politics more like a team sport than actually chosing the most qualified leader. But now I feel like it’s gone from “rooting for me team” to full on cult mode. My neighbor across the street has 6 Trump signs on her house. That’s not normal behavior.
Voting booths are secret places where people can admit how they really feel without feeling judged. Trump won the popular vote because he appealed to a lot of people who didn’t wear MAGA hats, or walk around in garbage bags.
The sad thing is that this isn’t really a shock to the rest of the world. There’s a reason why, for decades, Americans going on backpacking trips have put Canadian flags on their gear.
The only saving grace here is that it might not be that most Americans are cruel, racist, sexist, classist, etc. It might just be that they’re incredibly dumb. I’ve listened to a lot of interviews of Trump supporters and the vast majority are idiots. They believe in crazy conspiracies. They say they love Trump’s policies then can’t name any of them. They can’t accept that he actually legitimately lost all his legal cases. They regurgitate things they’ve heard, but clearly haven’t even spent a second thinking about, because they go blank as soon as they’re asked to elaborate on anything.
And, if the problem is really that they’re morons, it may not be their fault. For some reason, the US obsession with free speech and free markets means that Internet companies can keep feeding people bullshit that makes them angry, which keeps them engaged, which keeps the ad dollars flowing. US TV networks can tell absurd lies under the guise of news, and they’re apparently immune from being sued for doing it. “Concerned parents” funded by lobbying groups can fuck up the education system so that kids never learn anything that might make them feel bad. The US is allowed to have a government funded state media network that delivers factual video, audio and written news and information around the world. But, most Americans have never heard of it because it’s not allowed to compete with the for-profit media in the country itself.
I dunno, maybe the world can save the US. The fact is, Europe does occasionally have strong influence in the US. Americans have to deal with cookie banners because of a GDPR law that doesn’t apply in the US. Maybe if the EU took on the US tech monopolies it would actually affect the way Americans are brainwashed. But, unfortunately, I have serious doubts about whether the US can dig itself out of the hole it’s in. Right now it looks like the hole is just getting deeper and deeper.
We are a nation of sad small scared people. Machiavelli was right.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary’s 65 million and Obama’s 66 million, she’s gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some ‘swing’ states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump’s currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn’t a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we’ll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
(Also you can’t blame third parties this time, they did horribly nationwide. At worst maybe they tightened up Virginia a bit just through how uniquely bad for Democrats it was there, but on the other hand RFK Jr is the only reason New Mexico didn’t crack a sub 5 margin and go into Swing State territory again(Harris won by 5.2 there and RFK got 1 point. No third party means that crosses the 5 point threshold)
I saw some numbers that showed Kamala underperformed in EVERY SINGLE COUNTY compared to Biden. I hope the Dems will learn from this but they literally never do.
I think there’s a handful of small rural counties where a couple fewer Trump voters showed up? I mean there’s like 3 or 4 counties where John Kerry is the best democrat preformance since 2000 so weird shit can happen
We will not have another election. There is no future to learn for.
Kind of a shit take but I understand your despair. Trump will be 82 when this is all done and his term limit will be up. Stop being dramatic. If we’re lucky he’ll be dead and Vance will be the 48th president.
Because Vance is so much better? Because the people around Trump wont ride the momentum of his cult for as long as possible? We are fucked for at least a decade. Civil war and/or balkanization is a preferable scenario atp
We were so close to electing a president that can speak in complete sentences!
Two inches. We avoided Gilead by two inches
Keep on clicking those “Trump” headlines.
Send a tweet as well!America is a shit hole. Who could argue at this point?
Back in 2016 they did a panel of all the creators of the TV political dramas. West Wing, Veep, Scandal, House of Cards, and all the rest.
All the creators said the same thing; if they’d had a character who said he ‘liked soldiers who didn’t get captured’ the networks and advertisers would have demanded that character be shown to be hated by all Americans.
Even the far left is stupid in America. They’re supposed to be the educated ones. But instead of doing their civic duty, they stayed home. And you can blame it on Democrats all you like, but it’s your duty to go vote, no matter who you vote for. The turnout this election was pathetic.
I don’t understand how these people are going to complain now for the next 4 years, when they didn’t even want to take part.
I expected him to win, but i did not expect such a sad turnout.
Ok this line of thinking is pissing me off.
As of this right now the turn out is 140,144,378 and counting (it will be weeks before the final number).
If we look at the last 90 or so years we can see that this “sad turnout” is the second highest only behind 2020s 158,481,688.
90 years ago the entire US population was less than that 140 million, let alone eligible voters. Percentage of eligible voters would make a better argument than absolute numbers when you’re comparing over time.
That said, 140m versus 158m is a huge drop. An astonishing drop. The final total could still amount to a >10% reduction in turnout, despite a slight increase in the number of eligible voters. I don’t understand how that could be viewed as not sad, regardless of who you vote for.
Ok, a few things. This is also using the percent of eligible voters and shows about the expected turn out if not higher then normal. And more importantly 140 million is not the final number in fact some places have stated “National turnout has been estimated at 64.5 percent this year, with around 158 million ballots counted out of the 245 million eligible voters.”
I am sorry that this is not the easy target of blame people clearly want it to be.
Yeah turn on each other immediately. That will give you hope for next time.
What next time?
The opinion of a shit starter and flame fanner is not needed.
14 million
Good chance there isn’t going to be a next time, dude. It’s hard not sounding hyperbolic when saying things like “its the end of the world” but the next four years were CRITICAL to climate change, and we’ve voted to pour even more gas all over it. We don’t even have violent resistance to fall back on. The ‘progressives’ who stayed home this election because they couldnt hold their nose and vote for harris? Have damned us all. They’re just as much to blame for whats about to happen as the pathetic campaign harris was running.
It doesn’t matter if we’re fracturing the left. There was never any unity there in the first place.
The ‘progressives’ who stayed home this election because they couldnt hold their nose and vote for harris? Have damned us all.
I think it was the Trump voters that did that, actually.
It is all of the electorates fault, and exclusively the electorates fault
And the electorate (well, active electorate) is majority Trump voters
Abstaining is an active political choice. Every adult in America is the electorate
Right on the money.
She got 14 millions less votes than Biden.I doubt there are even 10 million far leftists in the USA.
It is absolutely fucking infuriating how many people disagree with your assessment here but you are absolutely 100% right as fuck.
But instead of doing their civic duty, they stayed home
Do you have anything to back this up, or is this typical Democrat blaming people they never tried to appeal to?
Abysmal voter turnout
2020 is not the fucking baseline, this was above average, great even. 2020 was the highest turnout since Reconstruction you can’t rely on that to stick
You mean the abysmal (checks notes) second highest turn out since 1932? The turnout whose numbers are still as of right now being counted? That turnout?
Guess liberals should have tried to get people excited to vote.
You shouldve been aninated enough to vote against trump. He is just that bad, abstaining is abhorrent.
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Democrats didnt want people voting. This was the year of fighting against ballot access. They directly disenfranchised so many people.
That’s bullshit. Dems win when turnout is larger. Turnout was significantly below 2020.
Dems have learned to never nominate a woman again, because this country is so fucking sexist.
Yeah, Dems are going to fight against spoilers propped up by the GOP.
You’re an idiot to think they were anything aside from that.
As for Cornell West, https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cornel-west-donation-harlan-crow-1234857237/
Fuck do you mean spoilers, they are running for election, democrats are spoilers for them.
Oh, my sweet summer child.
Read a book.
Read my links.
Democrats fought hard to ban candidates from participating in this election.
Exactly, why else would GOP work so hard to purge voter lists of people with foreign sounding names a week before the election.
1 person requested reviews of 100,000 voters via an automated tool the GOP made available
Gaza is to Harris what Drone Strikes were to Hillary in 2016.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.
I used to give the collective ‘us’ the benefit of the doubt and assume we’re just stupid, not evil.
After 4 years of Trump + all the Nazi shit he’s said since, he did even better than he did the first time. People aren’t ignorant to all that, they fucking love it.
We need to hurry up and go extinct and hope some critter rises from the ashes and evolves to be less of a collective sack of shit.
I for one welcome our horseshoe crab overlords. Tardigrades would be a very cool second choice, but they’re probably too busy being the perfect organism to give a shit about taking over the planet.
Tardigrades are definitely resilient enough for a solid shot at it.
Less realistically (since whatever wipes us out will also wipe them out) if we wanted to bring it a bit closer to home, I’d be rooting for the orangutans, which are chill as fuck. IIRC we evolved from chimpanzees, which are angry face-eaty little fuckers, which honestly explains a lot of today’s bullshit when you consider that as our foundation.
A ‘humanity’ that branched out from orangutans and progressed to the technological equivalent to where we’re at now… we’d be looking at a legit utopia.
If history weren’t such an asshole, that first mutant chimp that went on to become whatever the fuck the world is doing now… would have just gotten eaten by a crocodile or something after taking its first steps, and the planet lives happily ever after.
If only journalism was this blunt at an earlier point than after he won, again.
I used to naively believe that sometimes things need to get bad before they can get good. Like, sometimes someone needs to lie in the gutter first before they are able to look up at the stars…
It seems there’s no floor to how bad things can get.
It’s mostly just all gutter now.
And the gutter is just a rest stop before the sewer.
Well said.
