Why didn’t the Dems cheat like they did in 2020? Strange. /S
The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we’re bound and determined to add more to the pile.
“when we lose an election, we accept the results”
Will, that’s a lie. Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone.
EDIT My point was the Left blamed Trump for it and/or he anything to do with it. But he didn’t.
Except that Russia did and has continued funding disinformation to sow division and hatred among Americans.
You can look up Tenet Media and how they filtered Russian money down to major right wing political commentators.
There’s nothing fake about that.
Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone
That whole thing was about Russia using social media to spend disinformation. The entire thing wasn’t that, Russia hacked into the ballot boxes and changed votes, it was that Russia was using social media as a means to give false information to the public.
Underpinning the whole Russia-gate episode is the fact that human beings still physically pushed the buttons they pushed and that the vote they cast was indeed the vote they wished to cast. So we still accept the results as, technically speaking, the people have spoken.
But c’mon, you’ve seen the increase in AI slop. You know the Russia-gate stuff is true. In fact, I would dare say this election cycle they’ve gotten worse at doing it as they’re still pretty new at the whole AI stuff. Now where I, myself, and other Democrats likely disagree is the how to solve it. Lots of Democrats want to ban AI and regulate social media, but my opinion is you can’t fight fire by banning the match. You have to teach fire safety and hope the public is smart enough to not set themselves on fire.
But the important aspect is in all of this, the ballots that were cast, we still respect the final tally. That’s the fundamental difference between the Russia-gate and Trump’s legal challenges. The Russia-gate stuff is basically people are being misled. Trump’s stuff was that people were literally altering the ballot computer.
I think people are still being misled… BUT, Trump won this one fair and square. The law doesn’t say a person being misled shouldn’t have their vote count, and such a law would be insanely stupid/incredibly dangerous, even if it favored my particular team. We fix being misled by educating people and so losing this election just means that the educating folks game needs to up the ante. Best anyone can do is put the sources out there, show where the misinformation is wrong, and leave it up to the voter to read all of that come to the conclusion that matches reality. But if they don’t, we’ve got to accept that and work on better messaging.
That’s how one makes a point. They present the view, present the evidence, and use a persuasive argument. The rest is up to the voter to put together.
Except it is a known fact that Russia did, in fact, interfere. Pretending they didn’t doesn’t change that.
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Do you believe Russia has interfered in any election?
Just trying to figure out what reality we’re in before going further.
Salty vatnik.
Shes fine with it.
Every stance she took will be adhered to, and she is going to get the Republicans in the cabinet that she wanted so bad.
Somehow I think the person who would have been the first female president is not “fine” with losing to Donald Trump.
If she really cared, maybe she would have declined the AIPAC money, set a redeemable platform, and sunk one of the easiest wins in US history.
She didnt do that though. Did she?
You’re in an echo chamber if you think the general population cares that much about the situation in Gaza. Funny how all you talking heads hyperfocus on this one aspect that most people don’t care enough about.
If you truly cared about it, then you would understand that Trump is going to be oh so much worse.
You and your ilk are a one note song.
+14 points against my -44, -17, and -18.
You are championing genocide.
Mathematical proof this is a pro-genocide fascist echo chamber.
Again, you right wing fascists are why Trump is in office.
I really hope that you will learn something from your pathetic electoral failure.
It’s not a matter of “not caring” to win. She miscalculated and campaigned wrong. Did Trump lose in 2020 because he didn’t care to win?
Oh ya, miscalculated a whole shit ton of money into her pocket, again, still keeps all of her stances intact, and gets to cha ching make the AIPAC money ring and bury the Democrats again in 4 years.
Youre right, its not that she doesnt care. Its that this is exactly what she planned.
Your sarcasm doesn’t make your nonsense into sense .
Ok whatever you say.
Exactly!
Of course she made a concession speech. Because Democrats are constitutionally unable to accept the reality we voted into power 2016.
The party deserves extinction.
What are you even saying here?
What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.
Just ran a ballpark. 22% of Americans voted for Trump. That’s all it took
Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.
First, Democrat’s gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel’s genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical “decent conservatives” was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.
Second, “the high road” has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we’re going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.
The worst thing about Trump by far is his refusal to accept a peaceful transition of power. It’s a national tragedy that he will never be held accountable for that, and that his behavior has been validated by winning another election.
I’m glad she is setting an example of what a peaceful transition of power looks like, for those who apparently aren’t familiar with the concept.
No insurrection then?
Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode “You Go High, We Go Low”.
Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I’m fond of mutualism in particular.
When I felt disillusioned in 2016 from ratfucking and Trump winning, I got more and more leftist. Nothing has radicalized me after than the last 3 elections.
Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.
Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.
Anarchism isn’t a political structure…? It’s the lack thereof, no?
To me, it’s the idea no structure compared to the idea of structure. Libertarians just want corporations to take it over, everyone else want a state.
Perhaps I should have said it better, I’m kind of in a state of stress and “If don’t laugh at the situation, I am going to cry more.”
Wow, so noble.
Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.
Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.
This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.
Liberals once again just giving over power to fascists. Tale as old as time.
Not even gonna resist? Really?
A bit different this time, since the people overwhelmingly voted for the fascist. The Nazi party in the late 30s only had a plurality in their parliament.
But yeah it definitely rhymes… Though I’m honestly not sure what else they should do that wouldn’t result in all out civil war
It aint even about moral high road, shes just ready to take the money and run.
Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.
Oh my gawd, what are you talking about?
You don’t win against someone who is cheating by playing fair.
And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?
Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.
I agree… did they expect her to start a socialist revolution? As if they would march to the capitol for her when they wouldn’t even show up to vote?
I’m glad she’s setting an example of normal adult human behavior, it’s hard to even call it the “high road”… It’s just NOT acting like a toddler. We can’t afford to have a January 6th every four years.
Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.
He’ll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don’t cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.
So be it. Maybe idiot America will actual learn when shot goes south with no one saving their dumb asses.
I voted Haris. I am not one of those animals
I voted Harris too but honestly F Americans as a whole here. We all deserve what the Republicans are going to serve.
Are you fucking stupid or something?
Nope, just sick of this racist country and thinks it deserves to be rewarded for electing a convicted felon, legally liable rapist, racist back into office.
What exactly did the Harris voters do to deserve this?
Absolutely nothing, just that America on the whole is a racist country and deserves everything that Trump wants to give it, especially those Democrats that were part of the 15 million that didn’t vote, condoning this racist country.
No. No we don’t you dunce.
Yeah exactly, this is also why they should’ve just left the confederacy alone /s
Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.
Only 70 million voted for him?
When it’s all counted, he will likely have about the same amount as he did last time.
It’s not that people voted for Trump, it’s that people didn’t vote for Harris.
72 so far, Harris with 67. Pretty low turnout given the stakes
Pretty low compared to last election…
340ish million Americans, ~74 million of them changed the world forever.
I mean, we don’t need the president’s permission to revolt.
Excuse me?! They’re called “internment camps”!
We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.
2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.
You’re putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.
Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he’s going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.
Think outside the box.
As if Republicans won’t eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don’t plan on being in the minority ever again.
This. She will live in comfort at home while we suffer
