I say stay strong and refuse. I can’t see a single benefit outweighing the disadvantages and in particular botting to game that flawed system.
Good. Karma just incentivizes the monetization of accounts. Without karma there is less incentive for bots and grifters since visibility/prominence/influence can no longer be bought and sold.
Nah, I’m good not seeing the numbers or having the awards and such.
I like that it doesn’t have karma. reddit has been deteriorating since 2016 2017. karma farming bots have increased in size so much. quality had dropped too much. I have been discussing about this with many friends since long and was trying to find alternative. I love that this decision has given enough momentum to federated spaces. now we will have some quality content and discussion without platform owner’s vested interests
This is something I had neglected to think of. A reward/points system leads to bots farming for points, then selling the account. On the other hand, karma can be a good indicator to community moderators of weather that user isn’t just a spam account.
Edit: To clarify comment karma is a good metric for mods, not post karma. Its much harder to gain karma via comments because you can’t just repost r/oddlysatisfying shit, but that could change with GPT and open source LLMs.
Spam/bot accounts easily gained more karma than average users. User history has always been the best identifier that an account is genuine.
Comment karma is harder to gain than post karma, which is why many Reddit mods (including me) use it as a metric instead of combined karma. That is what I intended to say. Sorry about the confusion.
What if there was shadow karma, that you can only see if you are a mod, and the user cannot?
That actually seems like a good idea! Account farms won’t be able to abuse the system anymore.
The advertisers end up monetizing karma. Screw that noise!
Technically, Lemmy does keep track of your total post/comment votes. It’s just not visible from the current client. Hopefully it stays that way.
I hope so too, I tried the wefwef app (pwa) for lemmy and it should ‘points’, I assume upvotes, really annoying.
Honestly would rather have something more concrete than up and down votes. Now reason for up/down vote can be anything like agreement, disagreement or it could be about the quality of the post being good, bad, interesting or just funny.
But guess it’s just simpler this way, but I would personally prefer system similar to discords reactions.
I still miss Slashdot’s modding, where your vote had a reason (informative/insightful/interesting/funny) built in. The set of reasons was arguably too limited, but I still liked it.
Reddit Karma really just incentives unhelpful but funny/highly agreeable post. Upvotes are fine as a per-thread moderation system, but when you have a total of all up votes it opens the door to circlejerks and discriminating against users with low karma score (which also incentives circlejerks as a quick way to earn enough karma to be a valid user, enables paid shills and enables account selling).
Karma totals is more or less one of the biggest flaws with reddit.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
Karma totals as an anti-spam mechanic are easily subvertable if you just get bots to upvote each others posts, and because it creates the appearance of a legitimate user it’ll enviably create a account selling industry where spammers and corporate/political shills can just buy a “legitimate” accounts to just bypass karma restrictions.
Right now it might seem strange to buy a lemmy/fediverse account, but if the site ever gets big, then buying accounts would be a good investment for the wrong people.
In the end it just puts up a barrier for new users with an legitimate interest in sharing with the community.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
Depends on perspective, because highly agreeable and funny content is exactly what Reddit wants on their site :p
Not having Karma on Lemmy doesn’t exactly discourage it, but it definitively doesn’t ENCOURAGE it. That’s atleast something and likely to keep it in check.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
I think we should have karma totals to serve the same purpose as it did on reddit, to keep bots, spam and throwaway accounts out of communities.
Reddit = Redditors
Lemmy = Lemmytors?
Lemmings
Former redditor here. Never gave a crap about karma. Just here to laugh at funny Internet things.
I never understood the point of it anyways. I mean it’s cool to see that your post is popular but the total karma seems pointless. I used to make a new account about once a year anyways and that would obviously reset my karma aswell and I didn’t even give it half a thought
No karma, no karma farming.
Inb4 ex redditors want to migrate karma of their former accounts on the Fediverse ☠️
Last I checked I had like 400,000 and I don’t give a shit. I’m glad to see it go.
Similar. I couldn’t figure out how to spend it. It should have at least been like Chuck E. Cheese - you have a million points, choose between this fidget toy, and 5 small stale pieces of candy!
Hard no
Upvoting posts is fine, but Karma I can do without. Back on Reddit sometimes I help somebody with something and I get maybe 3 or 4 Karma. Make a stupid joke in a popular Thread and get that hundred fold. Karma is useless.
I wouldn’t mind some sort of rating scale at least, but nothing infinitely growing like reddit karma.
I found the karma useful to see if someone had a relatively well used account, was a karma farming bot, a shit poster, a lurker, or an asshole.
Maybe just a scale to determine an accounts total relative ratio of upvotes to down votes?
Stuff like karma directly contributes to an environment where things are said and done for approval instead of genuine expression. I hope the new platforms don’t include anything like it.
I roll my eyes pretty hard when I see someone with hundreds of thousands of karma on reddit.
Like, I get it, you’re a whore who just posts whatever everyone wants to hear. You’re a puppet under control of the upvote button
Hang on now, some of us just have that because we’re old as fuck and comment too much.
Under 4 years and a hundred thousand though? Absolutely what you said.
That’s where I was.
My opinions weren’t particularly in line with the Reddit hive mind, but over the course of nearly a decade, I was closing on a half million karma.
Not that it mattered, but I just commented a lot.
As someone who used reddit when Dig was still big; let Karma die, it’s so stupid.
Agree with this too, we don’t need that sh*t here.
Yeah agreed. It’s one thing to implement it years ago before seeing how it would shape the users behaviour. But now we know let’s just let it be reddit nostalgia
Yeah agreed. It’s one thing to implement it years ago before seeing how it would shape the users behaviour. But now we know let’s just let it be reddit nostalgia
Yeah agreed. It’s one thing to implement years ago before seeing how it would shape the users behaviour. But now we know let’s just let it be reddit nostalgia
100% agree! It’s so nice right now to not see dumb posts when users trying to karma farm. I have been loving Lemmy so far. I just hope we get more users so we can get more engagement from the smaller communities.
