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These kind of articles always remind me whenever a new MMORPG launched, and then people claimed it would be the World of Warcraft killer.
On the other hand, the track record of old social networks is not great.
And it’s reasonable to posit Twitter is deep into the enshitifiication cycle.
Depends what “side” you’re on and what content you choose to engage with I guess.
Because features wise it’s better than ever I’d say, I’m not even sure what stuff they added or removed that would’ve made the platform worse.
I’d posit the algorithm has turned it into a monster.
Attention should be dictated more by chronological order and what others retweet, not what some black box thinks will keep you glued to the screen, and it felt like more of the former in the old days. This is a subtle, but also very significant change.
Lol if I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard about the next CoD killer
I mean, plenty of other games have had way more concurrent players.
Maybe, but they’re not MMO games.
In truth, every subsequent mimic platform is smaller and more diluted.
Is WoW still that popular though?..
Most definitely.
It’s seen better days and current expansion is kinda meh, but it’s still leading the amount of active players by a lot over all other MMO games.
It’s really hard to know for sure, because Blizzard don’t release statistics, but according to ActivePlayer.io, Final Fantasy XIV has more active players than World of Warcraft.
But there are other websites which put World of Warcraft in the lead. It’s also worth mentioning that World of Warcraft has much higher twitch statistics than FFXIV.
Hm last I checked it said WoW had a lot more, I think mostly due to the new expansion at the time. But I think different sources are stating different things, they’re pretty unclear where they get the numbers from anyway, there’s little consistency with other statistics online.
It’s hard to get exact numbers from WoW because they’re not publicly available. You might be right that WoW is still the biggest, I found some other numbers that disagree. WoW’s twitch numbers seem to be way higher.
I’ll edit my comment
Yeah I was looking at Twitch numbers too, but honestly it’d still be a wild guess why it’s that much higher. Could also be that they do something with Twitch drops, it essentially doesn’t say much about player count itself.
I know previously it was because of world-first races, but I’m not sure if that’s still the case.
There’s probably quite a bit of content still that is playing “World of Warcraft” but it’s more like a “just chatting” kind of stream, if you know what I mean - WoW is a safe, comfy game to have on in the background while talking about other stuff.
And I’ll be right there with Bluesky, it’s so much better on every issue, significantly fewer bots, no ads, no premium version, and no AI
Twitter disappears when racism ends. Twitter will stay the cesspool it is.
Twitter dies when advertisers realize there’s no money in paying to advertise there. The moment it becomes more advantageous to pay for the ads somewhere else, it collapses.
Not when Elon can sue companies into continuing to advertise on Twitter.
He will be part of the government so technically a state-affiliated media at best… or simply state media, I don’t think it will close anytime soon now. Maybe after 2028 (if ever?), there are so many bots there its hard to know how many are genuinely true people
No. I thought so too, but it’s not the case anymore. Elon is so rich now, that he can run Twitter just as his personal propaganda media. same as bezos bought that newspaper.
Soooooooo…what happens whenever X eventually dies? Does Bluesky just defederate, and say “Haha! It is I who has the most audience, therefore I who dictate the industry!”
Hot or not was a thing until friendster was a thing.
Friendster was a thing, until myspace was a thing.
Myspace was a thing until facebook was a thing.
We’ve seen this line of ups and downs before. Eventually Twitter will be replaced. And then the new thing will be around. As of right now, Bluesky is “federated”, but it REALLY feels like they don’t want to be. Drop of a hat, and they’re defederated. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it.
I want you to imagine signing up for a service that has extroplatratinated defubulinators. And everybody on the service is taking full advantage of it. But you haven’t signed up yet, so your defubulinator needs to be created and calibrated before you can gain anything from it. Now imagine if you had no idea what extroplatratinated defubulinators even were, and you weren’t being given any indication what they do, or how to use them. Imagine you had no idea what I was even talking about. And imagine what you would do if search engines wouldn’t help you figure it out. But here I am, ranting and raving about how much better it is for you than traditional methods. But you couldn’t find ANYONE who used it, or knew what I was talking about either.
So now you just keep living life. Never again taking what I said serious.
i donno about other social networks but my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.
15 years ago, was the early days of twitter, the dying days of myspace, and the point where facebook first became dominant.
You talking about one of those? Because zero chance your myspace are still up.
And facebook/twitter? Ew.
my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.
The difference is businesses started using it to promote and customer care, even the President uses it. My Space never had that.
The creators seem pretty passionate about the federated network aspect of it: https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3laujhn5lfs2p
That was the original project they signed up for after all.
and Google used to care about not being evil.
Corporations will ALWAYS enshittify a platform they control. It’s simply a matter of time.
There was a time when people thought legally mandated interoperability could become the law of the land. That dream is probably dead, but if there’s ever a chance to push it through, it would be worth doing. It’d be a complex piece of legislation to be sure and would probably need to go through a number of iterations to get it right, but it would be a start.
I’m totally fine with dealing with that issue when musk loses billions
Good. Fuck Elon Musk and Twitter.
What’s good exchanging one bad service for another bad service? Elon can just buy it.
Twitter facilitated exactly what Elon set out to do with it.
It costs a lot to become vice president, especially if you weren’t born in America
I wonder if the next president could do something to stop that… seems like the head of DOGE might like it (or not, if that means contrarians disappear and stop “community noting” his posts, and allow for a more echoey chamber)
Both are terrible
Bluesky is a trap
Nah bluesky is great. This “trap” conspiracy theory is ridiculous.
Will Musk buy Bluesky for more or less than he bought Twitter?
You can host your own data on bsky i believe
Elaborate?
It’s Twitter
Bluesky is twitter?
I thought X is Twitter
Einhorn is finkle?
I am the walrus.
Well, comparing to Twitter… you can use their API, BlueSky is open-source and you can partially self-host. A lot better but you also could very likely be right about it being a trap.
With no safeguards the users won’t know it’s a trap until it’s sprung.
Reddit was almost exactly the same, and that did very little to help anyone
I suspect it will only because every single furry on YouTube seems to be trying to get the entire fandom to move from Twitter to BlueSky. You know we run the internet.
You people are the sewer mutants of the internet
Our group includes the Teenage Mutant Turtles, so you’re not entirely wrong.
Cowabunga, dude!
Hey don’t knock on the guys that keep the lights on.
You know it!!
Even if it did, Musk would just buy it.
it isn’t necessarily for sale at the moment
Even if it were for sale, it’s designed to be decentralized so you couldn’t buy the whole network, just like you can’t buy all of Lemmy or Mastodon. That’s the theory anyways - I don’t think they’ve really executed on it yet.
Put enough zeros on the end of a check and it will be.
Not best either
Bummer that isn’t mastodon but any inconvenience to musk is appreciated
I say this as someone who likes fediverse microblogging (Mastodon, MissKey, etc) it will never be Mastodon. Mastodon and its maintainers are staunchly against all the things that would make it a viable replacement to Twitter.
could you elaborate for people who don’t use it?
They don’t like algorithms. They want you to select which content you see.
That’s all I’ve got. Mastodon is a better, more open tech. And it’s pretty easy to get set up, relatively. It’s insane that companies haven’t jumped on it.
You don’t even have to quit Twitter. You can just post to more than one place and give people the option.
This is what happens when someone can’t put themselves into their user’s shoes and then wonder why a product isn’t doing as well as it is.
They proclaim the product is great, it’s everyone else that’s the problem
Threads (for better or worse) demonstrates that that’s not a fundamental obstacle for fediverse microblogging.
If someone wanted to launch a Mastodon fork with algorithm-driven content discovery, they could do. Just as with Lemmy/kbin/mbin, the beauty of the fediverse is that different servers can take quite different approaches to use experience design whilst still maintaining compatibility with the rest of the community.
Mastodon is, like, fine, but it has one gaping flaw that makes it utterly unusable for me.
Basically, the issue is you cannot be assured that any particular instance contains the entire conversation thread/replies, because they’re not necessarily sent to every server participating in the conversation.
Bluesky fixes that by the ‘firehose’ feeds federating out to the PDSes and providing complete reply chains, which just flat out makes it a better experience since you can actually see what everyone is saying, not just what people on servers you might be following already are saying.
It’s a giant stupid flaw in Mastodon (since other AP based platforms such as, for example, Lemmy don’t have it) and really should be addressed since it makes the platform darn near useless since why am I following people to only get half of what might be a useful thread?
that sounds crazy. that makes the idea of federation pointless imo… thank you for the response
Yeah, it makes federation, especially if you run your own server and don’t have a large user base, largely broken.
You’ll end up getting a shockingly small amount of replies to people you follow’s posts, which (for me) is the whole reason I’m here.
It almost forces you onto a larger server if you want a reasonable experience (or you have to start ingesting huge amounts of data via relays), but I mean, at that point why not just use bluesky instead?
Actually not a bummer in my opinion, let people sort into different platforms based on their interests like we used to do with forums.
A fragmented internet is a better internet
But it’s not fragmented. Mastodon is still the odd “vegan” option while BlueSky is becoming the main Twitterlike platform. Mastodon is still coming out the other end mostly the same.
Yeah, and that’s a good thing specially for the reason I just mentioned
that’s not how the modern internet works and unfortunately i am forced to be on facebook because all 4 of my hobbies no longer exists outside of it.
if people moved to the fediverse instead of bluesky or such, then we’d actually be able to have a fragmented internet again - due to how the fediverse interconnects through federation.
which i think is the best selling point the fediverse have - no longer would users need to be on multiple services, they could just be on one, and still interact with the services across the fediverse. but unless there is a mass-migration of one single service to the fediverse, such as people choosing mastodon over bluesky, to be the dominant service - it’s just never going to happen.
So, a Splinternet?
A fragmented internet is a better internet
I’m going to quote that at every opportunity.
Actually feel kinda proud of myself for that one haha
I somewhat agree, but it’s not going to happen. If Bluesky wins this battle, they’re just going to be the dominant platform. It’s not going to spread out. It’s just going to migrate. A federated alternative would at least be spread out by design, though connected still.
Sigh, that was an eye-opening depresing read… thanks for sharing!
What is TPOT
Somehow that avoids everything that actually makes TPOT TPOT to me (except the links to Rationalism and EA, but then you have to be aware of those).
Like the (scientific) racism.
The author explains in the thread and has links to further info.
Please, let’s not do this. Lets just enjoy sites that aren’t toxic without making them toxic by written articles with headlines like this.
Ehhh on bsky there are curated blocklist and you can mute words…and it actually works, like twitter before the takeover.
What you need to win the battle is to clone twitter before they changed the timeline to use the algorithm.
Let’s replace one proprietary service with another. It looks so good with its API wide open, like it’s never getting enshittified.
It’s obvious to me that we need to have laws to enforce portability of data and interoperability for large platforms.
I’m sure the Republican govt will get right on that
Yeah…the new Dumbass Of Government Efficiency (DOGE) will be right on that. Top priority…I’m sure…
I mean, this is one of the central pitches behind Web3.0/Crypto. Everything has a digital tag and its all going to be portable between platforms.
Did it come to fruition? No, of course not. Its all a pile of scams. But then so was Web2.0 and Web1.0 during their heydays.
Web 1 and 2 were a pile of scams? Wthdym
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble
This goes all the way back to '98, when the original slew of start-ups gobbled up investments only to flop a few years later. Web2.0 had its own bubble burst starting in 2008, taking down a host of the early social media ecosystems (MySpace, Yahoo, and Geocities, most famously). Huge upfront investments with the promise of explosive ROI that took far longer to materialize (or simply never did).
A great deal of the valuation in these firms was built on lies and bullshit - misreported user activity, overly optimistic monetization estimates, and outright accounting fraud.
2020 gave us what looked like was going to be a third Crypto bust wave (FTX being the big industry leader leading the charge). But the pivot to AI appears to have bailed a lot of the bigger investors out. We’ll see how long that lasts.
Oh, I think I understand your point, but we do have different definitions of what a scam is.
For me, if the guys getting fucked are capitalists or huge investing firms that were trying to leverage their money to make more money just from speculation and not being actually involved, that’s not a scam, that justice. Economic bubbles happen because big money guys are trying to gamble the system to start with, so karma.
In the other hand, crypto scams are more close to a conman selling snake oil to the uneducated masses, that for me is a full fledged scam.
Bluesky is not proprietary, it’s mit licensed and open source
Then please point me to an instance with less shitty privacy policy than this
