Phew, glad my psychiatrist prescribed me Ritalin.
Definitely safe
This sounds like the exact place drug addicts will go to find drugs. Someone who doesn’t respect the Healthcare industry won’t know how to run an organization like this. It will grow too fast and will use questionable methods so abhorrent it will be an obvious front for something sinister. I’m guessing it will get co-opted for the drug trade, either that or they will full on be replacements for all the immigrants being “exported.”
I’d bet money on opium den before forced labor. Suburban whites are not a force they ought to trifle with.
I fucking HATE these clickbait headlines. Read the dang article and look at the quotes:
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,” he said during the broadcast. (emphasis added)
RFK is a total whackjob, but it’s pretty clear he’s talking about some kind of voluntary “farm therapy” (which probably isn’t demonstrably effective anyway) and not a concentration camp.
PLEASE we got enough bombastic language and clickbait over the Biden years. There are PLENTY of things wrong with the actual quote above without taking us into clickbait territory.
Let’s criticize him on the grounds of being scientific but proposing very un-scientific actions. Let’s criticize him for proposing ineffective solutions, but please, focus on his ACTUAL statement instead of trying to fluff it into some goddamn headline.
You clearly have not read the history of Nazi era labor camps. They had very nice sounding propaganda for Germans to believe too.
Don’t kid yourself. They mean forced labor camps.
I have read the history of Nazi era labor camps. I do not believe every outcome that occurred in Nazi Germany will occur here. Since neither Trump, nor RFK, is in charge yet, you and I can only conjecture about what they will do once they are in charge. I prefer to restrict my criticism to their stated plans instead of these hyperbolic statements, but you do you.
I guess under the same reasoning that this will be Nazi Germany, we will also be doing a land invasion of Mexico and/or Canada for more “living space”. If you don’t believe that to be true, then the best I can say is we will have a partial overlap with Nazi Germany. Assuming you do not believe there will be a land-invasion of our closest neighboring countries, can you explain what parts of Nazi Germany I can expect and what I cannot?
So far, I understand your reasoning to be that Trump and Co. have identical goals to Nazi Germany. I am curious how this meshes with Trump’s broad support of Israel, which would probably be in conflict with the antisemitism of Nazi Germany.
They’ve told us what they plan to do. Believe them.
Sorry, let me ask more directly. The aims of Trump are exactly the same as Hitler? If no, why are we talking about Nazi-era death camps?
The difference between you and I is that I am reading the actual words from these fellows (who I don’t like very much anyway) to try to determine their stated goals and you seem to just be saying “TRUMP = NAZI”.
We all benefit from having an accurate picture of the country next year. You seem to say it’s Nazi Germany. Is it, or is it not?
They said they plan to make large scale detention camps to hold and deport up to 18 to 20 million undocumented immigrants. This is exactly what the Nazis said they would do to their target groups as well. It was only after deporting such a large mass of people became logistically impossible that they resorted to mass death camps. That is, if you believe their Nuremberg testimony.
They said they plan to make large scale detention camps to hold and deport up to 18 to 20 million undocumented immigrants.
The original thread was talking about users of Adderall and other prescription drugs. Are you saying that the plan will be to send Adderall / prescription drug users and undocumented immigrants to the same labor camps?
I’m saying they’re expanding the list of who they wish to detain. Just like the Nazis did.
I don’t believe your questions are asked in good faith.
I get what you’re saying, but would people in germany in 1932 have been able to predict what was going to happen in between 1934-9?
What I am saying is that people are extrapolating that Trump will have death camps soon because that’s what Nazi Germany did. Since Trump breaks with Nazi Germany in many ways (such as he advocates for friendly relations with the Jewish state, Israel), we can say as a matter of fact that he has policy differences from Nazi Germany.
If Trump’s behavior differs from Nazi Germany, then it does not follow that he will establish death camps.
I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the Nazi analogy with Trump. I will agree that he shows some authoritarian tendencies, but philosophically they have some critical differences:
“The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness.”
Adolf Hitler
“America is a land of opportunity, not a place where divisions are created based on race, religion, or background.”
Donald Trump
“Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all.”
Adolf Hitler
“Great nations do not fight endless wars.”
Donald Trump
Those are quotes directly from the two of them and I would say they differ very much in their views of Democracy and the role of warfare in the modern world.
Trump is such an absolute disaster that you can easily find things to criticize him on without the flawed equivocation to one of the worst dictators of the 20th century:
- Multiple Bankruptcies
- Business Practices: (Trump University was sued for fraud and settled for $25 million in 2016 without admitting wrongdoing)
- Tax Avoidance
- Impeachments
- Election Misinformation
- Environmental Rollbacks (such as withdrawing from the Paris Accord)
Stating the above is far more factual and accurate than a crude equivocation to Nazi Germany. Given the above, I can say it’s pretty likely we can expect more of the same in his next presidential tour, such as further environmental rollbacks. Despite my distaste for the man, I cannot envision him starting death camps and exterminating people, or starting land invasions to expand the US, which is what Nazi Germany would do.
All of the above is quite a bit longer than “TRUMP = NAZI”, but I believe speaking in detail about the specific mistakes Trump made (or will make) lets us have a more productive conversation about how to deal with them and may also enable us to contrast his approach to whomever seeks election in the US in 2028.
We’ve had enough pointless name calling in the US in the past couple of years. Let’s elevate the discussion and hopefully we will be a better nation in the wake of Trump’s reign.
Why pick two of his better quotes to make your point? It just make your argument look weak.
What about the constant resist dog whistling? The “eating the dogs” stuff? The wearing proud boys colours?
Voluntary, as in NYPD saying you’ll be arrested if you don’t voluntarily go into their overcrowded bedbug homeless shelter?
This is not as benign as you think. RFK already thinks vaccines annd prescribed meds are child abuse.
“Voluntary”… In the same way that gay conversion therapy is voluntary, or the same way those kid murdering behavioral farms are voluntary.
Who decides if they need it ?
According to the RFK quote above, the person themselves. According to a lot of the posters in this thread: Republican Death Squads.
I got into great shape mentally and physically with a limited diet and constant farm chores. Of course, I was alone and not surrounded by brain worms piloting human hosts so maybe that was what worked.
Stop fucking sane washing him. “If they want to” is a dubious statement coming from anyone in this authoritarian administration.
The fact that he brings up “reparenting”, it seems fairly obvious that this is going to be done by authority of the state. He’s talking about taking people’s kids away from them if they medicate their children as recommended by their doctors.
Focus on the topic at hand. Making up all these statements will just make people roll their eyes when or if it actually happens. Don’t be the boy who cried wolf.
Very well put. I have ‘outrage fatigue’ from the past couple of years. Since RFK and Trump have so many dubious plans and statements, can’t we find enough problems with what they have ACTUALLY said instead of having to catastrophize about the subtext of their words?
RFK endorses reparenting neurodivergent kids, and you want me to wait until it “actually happens”. Absolutely not!
Can you link a source for this?
I have a neurodivergent kid and haven’t heard anything about this. Do you have any sources?
Stop fucking sane washing him
You’ll notice I called him a “total whackjob”. I do not say he is sane. However, I wish to criticize what he ACTUALLY said instead of some bombastic caricature of his plan. In no way do I support or endorse RFK, but let’s be accurate with our criticism.
Reading the actual quote makes it sound a lot WORSE.
Less like “farm therapy” and more like:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_to_the_Countryside_Movement
Time to add futurism.com to my block list. What a useless rag.
I’ve never seen a futurist community online that isn’t just an attention-span-bankrupt group of headline-whores and hype-addicts, desperately trying to escape reality by embracing futurist ideas and sensational new stories without critical thought.
100% They are part of the death of journalism. Inaccurate, hyped headlines that disagree with the body of the article. Designed to get “engagement” and not to inform. Fuck them.
People want excitement more than they want truth.
This is why Trump was elected again.
MAGAs are not some strange species of subhuman. They’re humans like us, genetically identical almost, same with nazis and Jim Jones cultists and everyone else who has ever done anything inexplicable. They have the same vulnerabilities and the same biases and the same reactions. If they’re dumber, then the stories their brains will tell them to explain their feelings will also be dumber, but your brain does the same thing every time you feel a thing.
We’re all going to have to confront this unpleasant fact about just how much free-will we actually have in the coming decade as more and more of reality becomes compromised in our daily scrolling rituals, as more bots and scammers and influencers become far more sophisticated and intelligent in their schemes.
I hope that after some period of hardship and confusion we all look at information in a different way, as the internet becomes consumed by the AI slop engine and nobody can prove what’s real anymore and anyone can manipulate anyone else’s image and voice perfectly and we all have to embrace new attitudes towards ourselves and our ego.
We’re all subhuman because humanity is a myth we invented for ourselves. We’re still just dumb fucking apes, slinging our shit at apes that look different and mimicking the apes we think look like us. As a species we won’t grow or reflect upon anything. We’re just trying to filter out our civilization.
People want excitement more than they want truth.
This isn’t what I want. I believe I am the minority opinion now.
Although these wellness farms might seem like a worthwhile idea on paper, there are plenty of ways these kinds of systems could be rife with abuse. It’s also unclear how different they would really be from the rehabilitation facilities that already exist across the country, and RFK’s claims that most of the issues come down to not eating organic food also don’t seem to be based on hard science.
https://www.distractify.com/p/rfk-wellness-farms
Means well but it sounds here like they’ll be volunteering at a farm for 3-4 uears, wasting their time
Oh yeah… “volunteering.”
And for “as much time as they need.”
Doesn’t seem ominous at all from a guy with a brainworm in a government that’s being jizzed on by the whole for-profit-prison industry. I’m sure they’ll have no interest in these “wellness farms”.
Arbeit macht frei.
First thing that came to mind reading the headline
Sure, totally voluntary. With barbed wire, guards, prison gangs, and court orders. Just like the reform schools for teenagers.
You should go write for futurism.com.
This is exactly how the marketing for reform schools looks. They show pictures of happy kids doing fun things. And in reality they just torture kids into obedience.
I actually like the idea, if they fund it.
I could go away for a year no questions asked.Assuming it is implemented as RFK says, I agree. I can see some people choosing to take some time on a farm to try to address their drug addictions.
Since neither Trump (nor RFK) have a track record of delivering, I will believe it when I see it. If people in the USA wrestling with drug addiction had a choice to work at a wellness farm it seems like a positive development to me. Since Team Trump is big on words and short on action, I won’t give them the benefit of the doubt here. I suspect it’s just another entry in the long list of stuff they talk about and then don’t actually do.
from the description it sounds like public healthcare, rehab. yea, it sounds good
Assuming this is government funded, I’d be more than happy to spend a couple of years at such a place. I need to take a break from reality and not worry about bills for a bit.
Some additional context: RFK proposed these farms will be funded by sales tax on cannabis products. Whether you consider that government funded or not is up to you.
I don’t care so long as food and shelter are provided, and I don’t have to pay for it.
can we report this sort of thing here? downvoting has never worked.
Lemmy needs a few more things, like reporting and time sort etc
Pol Pot: why not go with the OG version?
I am not fan of RFK or any of this incoming administration, but I have to admit…those are going to be the most productive camps in the entire world! 🤣
Dexedrine for the win!
Is he not aware that the fascist pumpkin he will be working for pops those like breath mints?? Please do send that rapist con man to a labor camp.
Internal consistency was never their strong point.
Being Human was never their strong point. :)
Yes I am sure not being hypocrites is high on their list of concerns
The death cultists: It only counts if you have a prescription.
“You go to a concentration camp and you go to a concentration camp! Everyone goes to a concentration camp!”
Daytime television ratings 100
This whole post is spam.
Like WTF now ADHD tax hits even harder. Thanks America.
I wonder if commenters here went beyond the headline, or bothered to read the quote in the comments.
The actual quote is not remotely as sinister. He said that he will start these community farms (which is not a labour camp for f sake) where addicts (which is not everyone who takes meds, it’s those who do but shouldn’t, of which there are thousands) can voluntarily choose to go, which is a far cry from “I’ll shove anybody who takes antidepressants into a labour camp” as the title suggests.
There are a lot of people who take meds from dealers instead of doctors, who may have started recreationally but are now addicted to them. This is what he is lumping together with other kinds of drug addicts. It’s not even that stupid, it has been shown in studies that addiction is more effectively addressed by giving the person meaningful things to do.
Now you can have your opinion on this idea and you can be skeptical of his implementation and you really should, the guy is a nut job who shouldn’t be allowed within ten kilometres from a government office - but sending regular joes to concentration camps because they take meds is not what he said.
This title is rage bait, don’t fall for it.
Sad that I had to scroll all the way to the bottom to find someone who actually read the article. Has Lemmy become reddit?
Always has been
Yep, this sounds like the harm reduction approach that the left has been advocating for. It sounds like these are alternatives to prison for people with addictions. Not saying he’ll be able to make it work, but “tax cannabis + harm reduction” is much better than what a lot of Republicans’ drug policies are.
The problem is:
- RFK wants to ban legal medications and his multiple other statements make it clear he thinks organic food can replace them. That’s creating clear harms for people.
- He may envision this as a voluntary commune but in reality once he has government backing these could be something non consensual. We already have NYPD forcing people into homeless shelters involuntarily. It’s worrisome coming from an openly authoritarian administration.
RFK wants to ban legal medications and his multiple other statements make it clear he thinks organic food can replace them. That’s creating clear harms for people.
Can you provide a source for this? I have seen RFK claim vaccines are harmful, but the above seems inaccurately broad. RFK’s criticism of vaccines seems to stem from a misguided goal of “proving” they are safe. I suspect his definition of “safe” does not match the FDA’s. For example, aspirin causes many deaths and injuries each year (aka “not safe”), but I haven’t seen RFK moving to ban aspirin.
The belief that proposed government funded “wellness farms” would mutate into prison camps where citizens would be confined seems needlessly paranoid to me, but you can be as scared as you want. If there was a prediction market available on whether RFK would involuntary confine American citizens to prison camps in the next 4 years, I would gladly bet against that eventuality.
I don’t disagree with either of those points, I just don’t think they’re supported in the article. That’s why it’s rage bait.
And yet downvotes are pouring 🫠
You were right about it being rage bait, too bad everyone fell for it.
Yeah honestly it sounds like a government program I’d support if it was proposed by someone like Barack Obama. So 🤷. I hope it’s successful and that they look at introducing more government-led programs and initiatives for people in need (I’m not holding my breath)
This is part of some rural grift facilities which probably started with “trouble teens”. In recent years I’ve seen reports of these “farms” for “distressed” women. It’s usually a place with Ranch in the name. Example: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/11/18/the-christian-maternity-ranch-in-texas-is-a-disaster-in-the-making/
Permaculture farms, for example, are already well known for relying on abusive work conditions. See Joel Salatin:
https://medium.com/permaculture-3-0/fall-of-a-hero-f9ac80a08c0c
Are these the same people that abduct teens at night and bring them to these camps where they die of dehydration?
Those are more like wilderness survival training, except nobody in charge has any wilderness survival training of their own.
He mentioned SSRIs in the article. Now I’m imagining a bunch of PTSD infantry combat vets laughing their ass off at the instructor.
So his solution to ADHD is a concentration camp?
Sure, that way they can learn to concentrate.
That’s what trump said to the ICC when they issued a public statement in 2025 about criminalizing mental illness
What the actual fuck.
When it comes to the brainworm guy - if he really plans on banning vaccines - is he trying to kill off all the old people? Is he trying to kill off all the children?
