The yellow piss matches my purple swimsuit more though, so I know which I’m picking
objective aesthetics above any arbitrary standards derived of social foolishness any day
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I absolutely agree with this point, but what is this image lmfao
Yeah, true.
Yeah, I’m often thinking “am I sounding crazy right now?” when I ever mention that I care about privacy.
I kind of understand the issues with privacy, but not really. What don’t you want online companies to know and why?
Suppose a bad actor gets access to this information. Suppose this bad actor has the “political view” that people with your specific profile shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Suppose they have the network to get a small army of really big guys to stand in front of your house on election day. That’s a very superficial example on why you shouldn’t want companies to have any of your data unless it’s necessary.
Not just an example, it happens in black neighborhoods in the South every election. Usually at polling centers or churches instead of individual houses, but if they had the manpower they’d go to houses.
my personal problem isn’t the fact that they know a lot about me, but the fact that they can sell that information to advertisers and make millions of dollars of something I didn’t give them willingly (sure, knowingly but not willingly)
If corporations know everything it means the government knows everything. And that’s fucking terrible. No government should have that power.
I don’t want them to know anything that isn’t completely necessary, and even that should be wiped as soon as it’s no longer relevant. Why should I be okay with corps recording all of my online behavior and preferences just so they can sell that info for a bit of extra profit?
To play devil’s advocate, hosting the platform for social media isnt free, and if something, especially a service is offered for free, you are usually the product.
Then it becomes a game of convincing people to pay for more privacy, or sell privacy for a “free” service.
tbh I’d rather pay like 5$/month for a good platform that respects my privacy than giving that away like we’re doing right now
the problem is that that information is worth way more than $5/month/person
My issue isn’t so much what they are doing with it, what the could do with it in the future. As of now, they’re just trying to sell me shit I’m not going to buy, and influence my political and social views. I already avoid ads like the plague, and I’m pretty set on my politics.
What concerns me with this whole digital personality profile is that it wouldn’t take much for bad actors to get their hands on this info, and use it to unequivocally screw me or my family. Force us to pay more for less on an individual level, deny opportunity, etc
Anything more than necessary. Why do you want them to know? I wouldn’t let a stranger follow me around, so why should I allow a tracking cookie on my browser? It’s scary and offensive.
Anything I wouldn’t tell a random stranger. Like who are my friends, their phone numbers, where I live, my full name, my location at all times, etc.
Not nearly tin foil hat enough /s
you’re only starving yourself of warmth
And that is NOT how pool water works.
who said anything about “water”?
I legit thought it was peanut butter.
Yum!
Inconveniencing yourself because you’re terrified of Facebook knowing your phone model lol
guys stop downvoting some of us like to piss ourselves in the pool and we should be free to do so at our leisure
Letting corporations brain wash you because you like using their app lol
What are you terrified of? Being a statistic?
If you don’t mind such things one bit, would you mind sharing with all of here all of the following:
- your physical address (preferably in the format that would let anyone of us send you whatever we desire)
- your age
- your full legal name
- your phone number that you use most often
- your school
- your work (its address, your title, company, etc)
- your income
- your expenses
- the stores you go to and what for, also when and how often
- your hometown
- your pet names
- your mother’s maiden name
- your bank of choice
- what tech you own in detail
- your schedule
- your search history
- your browser bookmarks
And many other things, too. Somehow I doubt you’d ever do that, but you’re fine trusting this kind of data to be handed away to many corporations for absolutely no benefit on your end. They’ll just sell it for cash money, only to be bought by con-artsists to try and scam you out of something later.
I mean being a contempt consumer is one thing, but defending some entities hoarding more data about you than your entire family knows is just delusional. Especially given the fact that you are most likely more careful with your data in other circumstances, like talking to strangers or using the Internet for at least some things, but then you defend careless and irresponsible handling of your data when it comes to what, mobile apps?
You should really learn more on the topic.
Let’s not forget: everything you say. Phones have microphones.
And cameras.
This is where you lose people. It’s been proven time and time again that the mics on your phones aren’t transmitting things back without you knowing about it.
Facebook isn’t always listening in on your conversations. They don’t need to. It’s useless data.
Voice isn’t how they figure out what you like and are probably talking about at any given moment with other people.
Here’s a short podcast episode that gets the point across: https://gimletmedia.com/amp/shows/reply-all/z3hlwr
You could literally physically destroy the microphone of your phone, and you’ll still get ads served up like “they are listening to you”
Not entirely true. Clearly they aren’t listening all the time, but I doubt they’re collecting that voice data for no reason.
You act like it’s impossible which really comes off as desperation for it to be true. Definitely not impossible
If they could access those indiscriminately you could guaran-fucking-tee people would start taking it seriously.
/tinfoil hat
That’s why they don’t list those things in your app permissions unless it expressly “uses it”
Zuckerborg probably watches people pee all the time.
It’s not imposibile, it’s unlikely, and would be noticeable.
Dunno how app permissions prove that they are always listening when those permissions are required to access the mic at any point in time, including when you’re using the app and invoke it yourself.
If you were a faceless algorithm yhea I wouldn’t mind, I’m giving my address and information to plenty of companies I get services from. Those false equivalences are why people don’t take you seriously.
The faceless algorithm stores the the data in a database. From this point on, people with faces can access them.
I am a software developer. If I’d create a faceless form that stores the data somewhere for me, would you enter them?
Are you seriously this delusional? There is no “faceless algorithm”, they can pull your profile at any time and give it to the highest bidder.
Wait, you actually think they sell single profiles? Go buy some tinfoil, the lizard people may come for you with all that Google data
It’s usually not a “Hey, we give you a profile for $2”.
It’s more like "Oh, you, political party XY want to show advertisment to 2000 people? No problem… We helped you filter the perfect people… There you go, 2000 low-educated, mid-20 users who were classified as easy to manipulate by our algorithms. Bonus: They are having a hard time now and are classified are ‘probably depression’ (lost children or parents or their home, …), so they are even easier to target at the moment. We will show them your propaganda for just $xxxx "
That’s how they make money.
If you were a faceless algorithm
There are people behind algorithms. They don’t exist for the sole purpose of gathering the data for the sake of it - the data is later accessed and processed by people.
I’m giving my address and information to plenty of companies I get services from.
And how is that different from giving any of information to me? I’m just trying to gather some statistics here, nothing more.
Those false equivalences are why people don’t take you seriously.
Is this why Zuckerberg went to trial and the EU is preventing apps and services whose sole purpose is to hoover up some data about you to become available in its domain?
nah its just I dont have one
Kinda?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g97x/location-data-apps-drone-strikes-iowa-national-guard
I’m also afraid of corporations teaming up with governments and using their extremely comprehensive data sets to influence public opinion.
I’m also afraid of the fact that many people no longer care about privacy, and might not care if the government tries to implement dystopian systems like those seen in China, as long as it “keeps them safe”.
Do you tell every person you meet on the street where you live and what your phone number is?
If not, why tell Mark Zuckerberg?
Because I’m getting a service in exchange while losing nothing of value. Why are you giving your address at the post office? Your name to the bank teller?
Same reason
So you’re not gonna respond to any other part of my comment?
I understand you might not care about my last point, not many people do, but the first three are much more important.
You think the government, the entity that already controls all of your data and can sway public opinion by simply “teaming up” with ms media already, needs Facebook data to ruin your country?
If you are afraid of corrupt governments you might aswell go live in the woods.
I’m not talking about my government, I’m talking about foreign ones.
Edit: also, where do you think your government gets all this information from?
You don’t need to give Facebook information about your relationship with your friends and family members, your home address and location all the time. Just look at the information it collects from the iOS appstore, most of those data points aren’t needed to provide you the service at all. Its like giving the post office the list of people you have been in a relationship with just because they ask for it.
The service is free BECAUSE of it, it’s a trade
I don’t think most truly understand that corporations don’t follow a moral compass when it comes to respecting boundaries
While that may be true, I don’t think understanding that companies are evil is enough to convince anyone to care about privacy. I’ve known corporations are evil for well over a decade but I only started caring about privacy at all a few weeks ago. the issue is that privacy feels so unnatainable to average people that it may as well be a myth. how can you even think about if your internet history is private when you don’t even know how to access internet history yourself? even if you do, it’s not like these companies gossip to your friends about your mundane secrets anyway, it’s just some faceless entity filing it away somewhere to probably be forgotten. that’s the perception I had at least, and I know I wasn’t the only one. what really changed my mind about privacy was being immersed in a community of people that cared about privacy and took time to show that it can be achievable and even convenient both to understand the forces and technologies at play and to actually live a more privacy focused life.
I want to give this comment an award. Maybe instead of metals, we can use food which have inherent / immediate value.
So, gilding with Lemmy Sashimi
Or something
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lemons for lemmings?
I like the idea of awards that donate proceeds to food security charities, even though it’s only tangential to what you said.
What we don’t realize is the guy in the center drank a lot of Powerade, and is relieving himself in the lemonade pool.
It’s a brave new world, we’re just old men yelling at clouds.
They’re coming for the communists now.
When they come for the trade-unionists and Jews, my neighbors will have long stoned the trail to my door.
And when they come for the rest of my neighborhood, no one will understand how they knew about dinner-table thoughts of dissent or wavering patriotism.
I think most people are just overwhelmed most of the time and just want to live their lives and feel connected. There’s no immediate pain of giving up personal information just a vague threat of some future danger. We’re bad at caring about those types of things, generally speaking, just look at how we are handling climate change.
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I read a lot of / am highly into cypherpunk ideology. I work hard to protect my privacy.
But I also have shitty bottom rung / entry level jobs. ALL of them use apps with atrocious privacy policies for group messaging and posting schedules.
A) I am a cashier. Why do you need to be able to reach me 24/7?
B) It makes all my effort trying to keep a minimal digital footprint moot when I am forced to share tons of personal info to register. And I am also required to get the app.
C) No corporate manager who also hates their job is trying to listen to my diatribe about why “WhatsApp” is evil.
I am seriously considering buying a prepaid flip phone and pretending that’s my “real” phone for my next job. That’s the only solution I can think of. But I just hate that it’s a problem at every $10/ hour job.
I currently have a old samsung that im using as a work phone ive installed lineageOS and its been great so far, i just create burner accounts for anything my work wants me to use
Thanks, I’ll look into that!
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