• @[email protected]
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    137 months ago

    I wish we would see a movement like this in Canada when it comes to grocery giants like Loblaws

  • @[email protected]
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    147 months ago

    But when I say the same solution I get banned from communities for being a “coward” and “copaganda.”

    • @[email protected]
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      157 months ago

      I think if Bernie suggested murdering all the CEOs he’d get banned from his communities, though.

        • @[email protected]
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          17 months ago

          I think they’re suggesting that the system allowed Bernie because he advocates working within it, not that he hid his beliefs to be more accepted.

      • granolabar
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        137 months ago

        Yeah but how come CEOs never get banned anywhere for murdering all the working class Premium payers…

        Hmmm

        • Sabata
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          CEOs have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to produce profit. Killing customers is profitable. Can’t see where this could go wrong.

    • @[email protected]
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      977 months ago

      If it weren’t for Hillary and the DNC being corrupt, Bernie would have destroyed trump in 2016. I know so many people where I was living in middle America that flipped from Bernie to Trump.

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        47 months ago

        I never supported the orange (am Canadian so I don’t get a say) but after Bernie lost in 2016, I kind of wanted him to win (not enough to actually vote differently though).

        Why? Cause I knew he would get us here faster.

        If we are going on the wrong path before we correct course, might as well do it faster.

        I want a revolution, I prefer FDR style, but I guess the only option is French style (which I don’t officially support).

      • rhythmisaprancer
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        287 months ago

        I wasn’t in middle America, but experienced the same thing. I still don’t understand it. Is it just populism? If so, not good. I definitely shed friends in 2016.

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          47 months ago

          It’s populism, but it’s a populism of “things definitely aren’t good and need to change”. Hope worked as a democratic message, the dems were seen as the less corporate party, then the reps ran a right wing populist while the dems ran a former first lady who wasn’t acknowledging their needs and fears. The current situation has become one in which the dems see every election in terms of social issues because they don’t see the reality: they’re the party of “we need adults to govern” and the reps are the party of emotive grievance. The dems can’t win the bigot vote by being bigoted enough. But they can win the frustrated vote by running on a platform of reasonable and solid change by those committed to it. But if they di they lose the billiojsires to the fascists.

        • Alex
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          Populism boosted by new media (internet) vs. lobbyism striving to maintain status quo.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness
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          It’s because Trump advocates for change. Now it’s not good change but he’s definitely not a fan of the status quo, which gets you votes when the other guy is a Democrat centrist beholden to status quo-loving corporate donors.

          • rhythmisaprancer
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            I would argue that the change he advocates for is in the direction of the worst parts of status quo. The unbridled capitalistic endeavors of the rich, specifically. Very different than Bernie Sanders.

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              367 months ago

              That’s true, but voters who are uneducated or simply don’t care about politics will see what he’s selling and think he’s at least better than the DNC’s “why would you want change? Everything is fine” nonsense.

              • rhythmisaprancer
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                77 months ago

                So it really does just boil down to populism for some folks, then? That’s hard, thanks for posing it this way.

      • @[email protected]
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        67 months ago

        Alright but Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders in the Primary Elections, so the “corruption” you’re referring to is like 30 Million People.

        • @[email protected]
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          57 months ago

          Yes, because of the “super” delegates which was like 20 people who can automatically outvote the other hundreds of delegates.

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            They are talking about popular vote, not how delegates voted. And they voted according to popular vote. Every time.
            I don’t know what will happen if the people will vote differently than delegates would like to, but so far it never happened

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              People voted for her, and Biden, because they thought they could win the general, because they were “popular” during the primaries. Not to mention the whole media misrepresented his policies, attitudes, supporters, etc. It’s very easy to convince people to vote against their interest with the proper tricks (which Trump as our current President-elect proves).

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                If you add Hilary votes in the 2016 primaries and Biden in 2020, you will get less than 30 millions. 10% of population, 20% of voters. Not even quarter.

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            It was real close except for the millions more people who voted for Hillary.

            Edit: sorry for the transparency making it hard to read on dark modes.

          • @[email protected]
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            Yeah, vote totals were like 16 Million for Hillary Clinton and 13 Million for Bernie Sanders. Maybe if more people voted in the primaries we would see Bernie at the helm.

    • LeadersAtWork
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      I’d step back onto the streets with Bernie at the head again. A small part of me still holds that hope from 2016.

        • LeadersAtWork
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          Yeah… it’s hard. If it wasn’t for my student loans I’d only have about $4000 in leftover reoccurring bills outside of the usual living expenses such as rent and utilities today. Back then I donated more to a campaign than I have donated before or since combined for anything I worked hard. Talked to everyone. Helped found a subreddit for election and voting protection through information. I even went to local watch parties.

          I think we are ready for that again. Many of us would stand and fight with Bernie, Jon Stewart, AOC. Most of us who were a part of that understand why people chose to not vote for the status quo. But man, fuck, it’s tiring feeling so disjointed and at best loosely aligned.

          We need a community.

  • @[email protected]
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    497 months ago

    Mass movements can do lots of things, but we can’t even get a majority of people to vote…

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      107 months ago

      As it turns out, you only need like around 5% of the population to start a revolution (if even that amount). Revolutions have been started with even fractions of a percent.

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      Voting is how we got here…

      Political proces and utterly captured

      Otherwise we would have had Bernie 2016.

      I am tired of political clowns pretending like politics is the solution, it is key part of the problem.

      Did you see how politicians are reacting here.

      Besides Bernie that is

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      Because people don’t feel represented in the current FPTP voting-system, which to be fair, was designed by wealthy romans to benefit wealthy romans.

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    Yeah a small mass of lead with a lot of movement behind it would do wonders to the brain of most ceo’s

    • granolabar
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      Peñata economics… Beat the rich until the money comes out