It’s not just lemmy that’s benefiting from Elon Musk.
That is right baby. The Fedi is a life raft always waiting to scoop people up.
It’s not the rebrand that’s killing Twitter. Elon is. He’s proving to himself that he cannot, in fact, run Twitter better than the prior owners.
To be honest, for me it absolutely was the rebranding that made me delete the app.
If you said it was the final nail in the coffin, sure. But for that to be the only reason?? Why??
Are you one of those “my brand truck is better than yours because … bowtie” types?
You are jumping into conclusions. See my other answer here https://lemmy.world/comment/2511227
Why? I’m really curious what difference the rebranding made to users
Imagine your favourite fancy restaurant suddenly adopts an extreme “Batman” theme. Same food, but just hardcore decorated a la the Dark Knight. You’d probably still go there, but you’d have a different time. And you’d reconsider the types of people you’d bring there, etc.
Brand is far more than the logo in the top corner, and I think marketing textbooks are going to use Twitter -> X as an example of how not to do things.
Now I’m imagining meeting a professional contact at a classy Italian sit down place, but the waitress greats us with a deep gravely “I’m Batman.”
Thank you for building that moment for me. And yeah, I see exactly your point now. If I hadn’t already left X, I would be concerned about sharing a personal and professional brand with it.
It’s stupid and unnecessary.
For me personally it was simply a gut feeling of how stupid that name and logo looked on my screen. I was of course annoyed but everything else going on before, but that didn’t yet push me away. This is a minor thing, but it was the tipping point.
I wonder if previous twitter execs are feeling a bit bad to have sold him twitter to see it destroyed like that.
I mean it certainly proves Elon is an idiot as he used fraud to manipulate the price and got played instead.
But was it worth it to let him destroy Twitter just because he tried to defraud it?
I’d be bummed out but happy I have an unlimited supply of hundred dollar bills to wipe away the tears.
I wonder how long twitter would able to run at a loss if elon didn’t take it over as a slapstick joke went wrong.
They got $44 billion, double what sane people thought the company was worth. It would be irresponsible not to take Elon for a ride.
Also illegal, since Twitter was a public company- they can’t discriminate on bona fide offers or they risk being sued.
Responsible financially, as agents of the corporation, sure. And I understand why they did it. Morally though (and I would argue civilly) it was wildly irresponsible. Thousands of people lost their jobs, hundreds of people are now forced to work at Elons insane business under threat of deportation if their visa is invalidated, and hundreds of millions lost a trusted, dependable direct link to governments, public figures, and other notable people. The world is a worse place for having let this deal happen. What is responsible financially is often irresponsible in pretty much every other way, and I wish this perspective was represented more.
As a shareholder in a number of other large corporations, I would actively like for buy-outs like this one to fail, even if it would make me a quick buck now, even if that quick buck is a lot. I much prefer stability to major erratic changes, even when they benefit me.
An easy counterpoint to what you just said: mahney. Nobody cares about doing the responsible thing when billions are on the line. Also, a lot of people say they wouldn’t do something for a billion dollars which just boils down to “you didn’t get a chance like that and you never will”. Hypotheticals are easy till it actually happens to you.
I have morals that I will not violate. Money does not matter to me beyond enough to comfortably live on my own (and I have reached that point already). I give the rest away to people in need, because that’s how my moral system works. You’re welcome to think whatever you want about hypotheticals, but in this case it doesn’t matter if they sold or not. The people making this deal would have been obscenely rich either way. At a certain point, money is nothing more than bragging about a big number, your life doesn’t get materially different. If your moral system allows for that kind of action, good for you I suppose, but I can assure you its far from a universal perspective.
hundreds of millions lost a trusted, dependable direct link to governments, public figures, and other notable people.
It should not have been trusted and pervasive to such an extent. If anything, better to cut the dependency now than later.
That’s a fair argument, and to an extent I agree. That said, I don’t think firebombing something hundreds of millions depend on is not the ideal solution, and it could have been handled differently, like by adding contingencies, for example. Or working in some form of transition period.
In an ideal world, yes. But face it, you, I, and my aunt’s puppy knows that’d never happen. Get every govt agency in the world to cooperate? Yeah right. This might have been one of the best ways we could realistically have ended it.
I disagree. Nationalizing Twitter is definitely idealistic thinking, but adding some small contingencies to the deal definitely is not, and is actually pretty standard in large mergers, to maintain stability.
As someone who doesnt use twitter… yes this was totally worth it!
Yeah. I left with the bluetlicker shitstain bump up in every reply. The dumbest people to ever buy a device and learn English that somehow didn’t choke on rocks as a kid…
Just had enough and had to leave
I made a mastodon account but there aren’t as many meme feeds on mastodon.
That’s my problem too. Weird Twitter just doesn’t seem to be a thing on mastodon , or if it is the lack of an algorithm makes it hard to find the right kind of accounts to follow
They definitely exist - quite a lot of them in fact - it’s just after the big migrations in 2022, the kind of people who tend to get popular on Mastodon are the more “serious” posters, as they’ve eclipsed the memers in popularity. (Eternal September kind of thing)
If you check out the explore and local feeds of instances such as Wet Dry World or Beige Party, you’ll find the meme posters, who you can then follow.
What doesn’t help either is that meme posters never use hashtags, even though they’re the primary way to be discovered on Mastodon. On the other hand, people who are posting “serious” takes tend to use hashtags a lot - this also helps skew the meme posters away from people. Unfortunately, hashtags have gone completely out of vogue and just aren’t used by most people.
Mastodon is implementing full text search soon though, most likely with 4.2.0 (the next version), which should hopefully make things easier.
Do you guys remember when I ordered that salad and when they brought it out, it was really really big.
yeah that was pretty cool.Really really big
I am so annoyed that Twitter got ruined.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like Twitter. I don’t follow anyone on Twitter. But if I had no other recourse I could complain about a corporation that wasn’t paying any attention to me and they would do something about it.
By the way fuck FedEX. Is there a place on mastadon I can bitch about FedEx? I have had a mis-delivered package sitting on my porch for over a month. I call about every three or four days and tell them, pick up your package so it can go to the right place. They say they will get it. They never do.
Never use FedEx.
Is there a place on mastadon I can bitch about FedEx?
#fuckfedex #fedex
Fuck FedEx. Whenever a signature is required, they won’t let me have the package held for pickup anywhere, so I get door tags… even if I’m sitting on the couch watching TV. Called them and they said they don’t require the drivers to knock or ring. I only figured out after a ton of aggravation that if you get three door tags, they will hold the package for pickup for a few days anyway (even though they say they can’t due to “shipper restrictions”).
I’ve been trying to stick to Mastodon and ditch Twitter, but honestly, even though I’ve gotten into the habit of using Mastodon every day, it’s pretty hard for me to resist accepting information from Twitter.
It’s ok to get information from places like X/Twitter or Reddit. It’s even fine to have an account. But it’s better to post your OWN material to platforms that best align with your sensibilities.
This. I still lurk reddit for information, but I will never contribute. Advertisers these days only care about interaction anyway, so I doubt lurking significantly impacts the profitability one way or the other.
I think you should do you and browse whatever you want. I still use Reddit when looking for opinions on products and services because there’s nothing close to the discussion on there. But visiting the site (without an adblocker) 100% still generates ad revenue and is what matters to ad companies, regardless of actually participating in the discussion.
So wait visiting with Firefox+ad block doesn’t make Reddit money?
The clicks, even with an adblocker, are still worth something, right? Especially if they’re tied to an account.
My issue with Mastodon is that many big companies still use Twitter/X as their main way to publish news outside of of their websites and press releases.
I’m not usually interested in what big companies have to say, but I follow some journalists who fortunately cross post to Mastodon, but all discussion takes place on elmo’s X site.
It’s all about what matters most to you.
What? I’ve been using Squawker and lately it stopped working because monkey boy elon borked something again in the twitter api. No tweets for me.
Nice
Fuck spez. Why isn’t he doing more psycho shit like Elon so he can move more people to Lemmy.
Give him some more time. It’s not that simple keeping up with Elon’s adventures
By the way, your username shows as bot to me. I think you need to disable it in your profile.
Thank you
Hoping they rename Reddit to Y or some such
Apparently, as a competitor of any major platform you just need to get close to the features your adversary has and wait for that site/service to start the process of enshittification, let’s see if reddit makes more blunders
I feel that reddit is already at this stage. It started feeling more like a half-bombed corporate minefield so I decided to flee the site one week ago. This site feels much more like things should be. You can even browse on a decent site on your phone.
Try Voyager/WefWef from a browser, it improves the UX a lot
There’s an ethical consideration when you sell a company. Dorsey and co. took a big payout and this is the result. I was thinking earlier about how this probably wouldn’t have been happened if you had an even equity split across the company’s employees.
I recall Dorsey publicly coming out in support of Elon’s Twitter well after the sale. Maybe there was no ethical conflict for Dorsey and he likes what he sees.
Yeah, maybe all of this wouldn’t have happened if the equity was split among the employees.
Showing ongoing public support is often written into the contract with these big deals; Dorsey probably has to say he supports Musk for a few years at least
It was a corporation. Corporations exist to get shareholders paid. You can’t expect those to not be for sale for the right price, which in this case was more than it was worth. If you want the people running companies to make decisions based on ethics, you should ban publicly traded corporations first otherwise it’s just not happening.
You’re right, this is the only decision where we can’t judge Dorsey’s ethics, and we should be attacking a dozen other positions and mistakes he’s made. If it would even help; twitter addicts probably don’t wanna hear it.
I mean, they routinely make the unethical decision. They probably wouldn’t be in the position to make it in the first place if they didn’t already have dollar signs in their eyes. And I’ve been around enough tech companies to know that’s usually the way it breaks down.
Any android app recommendations? I’m yet to use Mastodon.
Only tried Tusky from F-droid store, no complaints.
It’s in the playstore too if you’re not familiar with f-droid like I was.
‘Trunks’ is a brand new one I’m liking an awful lot.
Edit: they have a web based front-end as well: https://trunks.social/
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Megalodon or moshidon would be my recommendation
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Tusky, Fedilab
Megalodon is quite good.
I also recommend elk.zone
Use https://elk.zone as a PWA. It’s really good!
It’s a Twitter UI clone, perfect for replacing behaviors without being too jarring of a UX switch.
Megalodon is definitely the one.
moshidon
Anyone using tooot ??
I use Tusky on android, I’m happy with it.
that’s cool. The Masto instance I’ve been on for the last half year is no longer available and I’ll have to start over because I didn’t have a main and a back up account like I ended up with on Lemmy, but sure, that’s alright. I have no idea what happened, the instance still has a blank page up, but it ain’t Mastodon.
I was finally feeling moved in but now, kaput.
I don’t think this thing was really ready for absolutely everyone on Twitter to bail onto it, is the problem. I don’t think it was ever supposed to be. It was always supposed to be like a clubhouse for people who didn’t mind being the dweebs of the internet.
For everyone on Twitter to bail onto it there would need to be an instance with the same level of funding and infrastructure as Twitter to support it.
Sounds just like Lemmy and any other fediverse service.
Mastodon will never be a twitter replacement simply because of lack of algorithm and proper content discovery, but seemingly the devs and admins there are fine with it and prefer it that way. It is definitely not filling my need for curated news and discovery of new interests that twitter used to provide before it went to shit, seems like bluesky might take over that function since most big content creators are shilling their bs pages nowadays.
Mastodon doesn’t want to replace twitter. Twitter is shit. Mastodon is already far better than twitter. Mastodon depends on twitter continuing to exist so that twitter can suck up all the shit and leave the rest of us in peace.
If you were getting your news from Twitter, it probably turned you into an idiot already! So no worries.
The lack of algorithms is what a lot of Mastodon users like about the platform. Many just want a timeline of posts of the accounts nd hashtags they follow.
There is also room for both to exist, one doesn’t have to replace the other.
That’s pretty much what I said, and I’m not saying its the wrong choice for them - it just means that Mastodon can never be the replacement for twitter, yet people keep bringing it up as an alternative. I personally want news that I care about and on mastodon it all gets buried in a chronological feed filled with irrelevant stuff I don’t care about. I’d probably like it if it only consisted of close friends that I care about, so its like a tightly knit social network, but not when its randoms across the world with some very hot or annoying takes.
And I’d love an alternative but bluesky is gonna have the same issue as twitter, its owned by the same type of people and actually funded by twitter the company from what i read. It’s just trading one devil for another.
It won’t last unless Mastadon gets some serious improvements. It’s buggy, glitchy, feature-poor, and confusing to use. There’s no way in its current state it’s going to compete with the big guys for the average person’s attention.
From a user-experience standpoint I’m intrigued by the idea of someone who is comfortable using Lemmy finding Mastodon confusing to use. From a technical view it’s literally the same stuff (ActivityPub + a distributed network) fueling the same general concept (federated social media) just with a different skin on top (Twitter/Tweetdeck-flavored instead of Reddit-flavored.)
It’s all just decentralized online community organized by interest; a /c/ here is a hashtag on Mastodon. If you have already come to terms with instances and federation and such in order to use one, what about the other still confuses? Is it just the interface or are there deeper pain points?
Do you remember the early days of social media? IMHO, as the new hotness I’ve seen a rapid pace of improvements that I honestly expect to ramp up further as more utilization comes. Pure speculation but I’m basing it on my grey beard and the refreshing experience I’m having here.
I mean, they need to ramp it way faster. It’s pretty garbage right now and there’s really no excuse. Compare it to Lemmy and it’s very obvious. Lemmy still has problems, but it’s much easier to use and has way fewer bugs and glitches. If you’re used to Reddit, then switching to Lemmy is pretty easy to do, and I can see average users making that jump. But Mastadon isn’t even close to the user experience that Twitter/X offered, and I cannot see the average Twitter user sticking around and waiting for all the issue to be fixed.
I switched from Reddit to Lemmy today and I fully condone your comment. I decided to not use any microblogging service before using mastodon after Twitter. The switch from Reddit to Lemmy was a bliss.
I’ve had no issues on Mastodon.World and the advance features are essentially tweetdeck.
It’s buggy, glitchy
I haven’t seen any glitches or bugs for quite a while.
Which ones are you speaking of?
idk why but I felt the need to remind everyone
I just don’t understand how he’s shaped that way.
He’s wearing an Eggar suit.
Sugar…
He’s driving the Torso™️ from Tesla®️
I don’t think I cared about Twitter, the entire duration of its existence, and now there’s a whole new thing that’s apparently the same and I still don’t care about
