• Krudler
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      The world is awash in morons and they aren’t localized to that venue, although by way of it’s very structure, it’s a venue that strongly attracts people incapable of holding two thoughts at the same time.

      As G Carlin would have said, think how stupid the average person is and realize 50% are stupider than that. This is the world we live in - where the trivial thoughts emerging from society’s dreck take have equal stage and prominence to expertise and wisdom

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    Meanwhile on tiktok British people are apparently mad at Americans for not knowing or caring about Robbie Williams

  • enkers
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    When the only Homer they know is Homer Simpson.

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        It could be an amazing movie if they follow the story and make it a multi part series… but also those hollywood assholes cant help but fucking up stories that tell themselves so I expect it to be shit.

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          Yeah, something like this deserves a several season show with one hour episodes. At least 10 episodes per season.

          Remember when some assholes made The Dark Tower (eight novels, 4250 pages) into an hour and a half movie? I sure wish I didn’t. Great casting too. Such a waste.

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      Probably trending because of the musical tbh , it’s been pretty popular in some circles.

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    The Illiad was like the Bible before the Bible.

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      I have not read the Iliad and I’ve only read a few excerpts from the Odyssey. They available as an audio book anywhere that isn’t Audible?

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      Iliad was not a religious text(or even a text for many centuries). It was just a story of a dude trying to get back home.

      • @[email protected]
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        I know you know this and likely just mistyped, but for clarity, the Iliad is about the war itself. The Odyssey is about the dude trying to get back home.

        They weren’t religious texts per se, but they were certainly cultural touchstones which contain important lessons about the human condition, death, love, and what’s truly important in life. They would fill a role similar to histories in the Old Testament, probably, like the book of Ruth.

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          You are right, i wrote a comment about iliad before and mistyped iliad here too. And you are right, it was a cultural touch stone for ancient Greece.

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      Only in that it was widely published but there are others too like the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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        The Illiad was like the ancient Greek Bible because it was used to provide behavioural guidelines and views common to all Greeks. It was a text central to any Greek’s education. How does a leader act? Read the Illiad. How are battles waged? Read the Illiad. What is the relation between humans and gods? Read the Illiad.

        Alexander the Great was known to carry a copy of the Illiad with him at all times, and many philosophers routinely used excerpts from it to illustrate their points. And people would reference it like we reference things from the Bible in the west (Judas, turn water into wine, cross to bear, turn the other cheek etc)

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    Shared this with dome American friends to throw them a bone as they are taking it tight from us on a daily basis

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    Liam’s a tool. UK schools absolutely do teach the Odyssey, and have done so at least as far back as my youth.

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      Mine didn’t. We did Buddy, The Crucible, Animal Farm and Shakespeare from what I remember. First I heard of the Odyssey was when I was 19 and DW did a retelling of it on Arthur. When I saw a copy of the story in the shop I worked at, I got it so I could read the actual story.

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        Were you not aware of it at any point? I don’t necessarily mean as part of the GCSE curriculum. I’ve been aware of the Odyssey and the Iliad from the “Ancient Greeks” part of our primary school curriculum back in year 4. Of course we weren’t analysing texts, but I’d expect any ten year old to be capable of rattling off some major plot points like blinding Polyphemus, or sailors plugging their ears with wax against the sirens and tying Odysseus to the mast.

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          Nope, I don’t think I’d ever heard of it prior to the Arthur version.

          We did the fall of Icarus in Year 3. My little sister learned Theseus and the Minotaur when she was around the same age, which is how I knew about it. Other than that, I don’t remember studying Ancient Greek anything, not even Heracles. Your school was obviously better than mine.

    • @[email protected]
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      most of the time someone says something wasnt taught in school its because that person straight up didnt pay attention in class

      • JackbyDev
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        I suspect there is significant overlap between the kids who were complaining in math class that what they were learning was useless along with the adults who claim math class didn’t teach them “how to do taxes”. (As if you do anything other than fill out a form, anyways.)

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          Take the numbers from the numbered boxes, and transpose them into the numbered boxes on the tax form. There, you know how to do taxes, what are we gonna do with the other 13 years of your pre-college education?

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            But what if it puts me in a higher tax bracket and I get less moneyyyyyy?

            • Krudler
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              lol

              Let’s see… what other words are in the Financial Incompetants’ Guide to Life… ok here’s something that sounds cooL WRITE OFFS!!!1

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          Guess someone didn’t pay attention when the teacher said “Pay attention please” multiple times.

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    I am tired of western Cinema jerking off to same old stories, which tbh aren’t the pinnacle of literature or storytelling. There are so many cultural epics which are deserving of the big screen, but unfortunately this western culture bias keeps the general audience from being exposed to any of it.

    It wouldn’t matter, but the issue is then you have utter fucking illiterates and philistines who believe that only western writers, thinkers or philosophers came up with anything good. New flash, many, many of the western writers took their influence from non-western sources.

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      I mean

      Every culture does that, though? If anything, Americans appreciating the works of the Greeks is as widespread and diverse as a culture can possibly get.

      Every couple of years Chinese make a new Sun Wukong move, TV show, or videogame. Tibetan Monks and the Dali Lama are a huge cultural phenomenon all over the world. Wuxia/Xianxia based on old Taoism writings and diagrams are popular in all forms of media. Period Dramas about the old aristocracy in Asia are a huge genre.

      Koreans shove Korean dragons and Dokaebi into every medium they can.

      Japanese love them some Shinto priestess main characters and Yokai stories.

      Arabia’s got thieves guilds, Solomon, and genies and other creatures of fire and wind.

      Russia has Baba Yaga and Rasputin depictions.

      Germany and western Europe have Fairy Tales, northern Europe is obsessed with Trolls.

      India has a strong and proud history of racism, classism, Hinduism, nepotism, sexism, I don’t really remember where I was going with this point, tbh.

      Africa… Honestly, Africa might need more time to recover, idk what their cultural epics entail… I do like Shaka Zulu’s vibe, tho.

      That’s how culture works. The differences and uniqueness make them worth experiencing, and why people work so hard to preserve them in perpetuity across many generations. Except India. Idk y tf they’re doing that shit.

      They could all appreciate some other shit, yeah, but that’s not how culture works.

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        This comment serves as a reminder that the normalized hatred directed at India/South Asia on Reddit is alive and well on Lemmy too

        • @[email protected]
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          A wise man once said “There are two things in the world I can’t stand: people who are intolerant of other people’s cultures… and the Dutch.”

          In both his case and mine, the cultural insensitivity was part of the joke.

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        Every couple of years Chinese make a new Sun Wukong move, TV show, or videogame.

        Let’s not forget that in the same way you can trace a huge amount of things you see in Western stories to the Greek epics and Gilgamesh you can trace a huge amount of things you see in anime/manga to the Journey to the West.

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        fucking crazy to denigrate South Asia like that when you made the effort to respect culture for all the other regions you mentioned. I guess all the other countries you mentioned don’t have a history of racism, classism, nepotism, sexism or religion?

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          No they do but for most of them it’s sort of died off a little bit in the last 200 years.

          In India, it doesn’t seem to be declining much…

          Looks like it’s being lifted up.

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            I would actually argue that in many ways it’s increasing, at least in Pakistan where I have family, although these aren’t the only countries with growing fascism and regressive social politics (see lots of Europe and of course the US).

            But your comment was about stories of cultural importance, not race or gender or class; I can’t help but feel offended that you would choose to shit on my culture for some reason instead of identifying relevant stories like you did for the other cultures you mentioned in your comment. I agree that those -isms should be criticized, but India definitely caught a stray from your comment.

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              Yeah, and I did very poorly represent my case. I really didn’t give it much effort or thought, and I apologize for that. It just appears from an outsiders perspective that the Caste System, while not officially in effect, is an integral part of India’s society and it shows in their films and TV. This is also true for the USA whose poor record of Civil Rights is also a continued focus for films and TV.

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        That wasn’t exactly my point. There are examples of Epic tales from other cultures which people often don’t get exposure to because the main focus of western cinema or storytelling is Greek or English.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_folk-epics

        Note that epic tales are a distinct type of genre

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_(genre)

        Edit why does it make sense for western cinema or storytelling to talk about other tales from other cultures? It’s just the right thing to do if something preceded you, or your work was influenced by it.

        None of this is a competition as far as I am concerned, the point is just to find great ideas and stories.

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      Western media trends towards the myths and legends from western culture? No shit

      I mean, what else would you expect? That’s human nature. Kinda a wild thing to be complaining about

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        But imagine if African or pre-Columbine American mythologies were used to film movies and series.

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        I get what you’re saying, but I guess I am just idealistic and expect more from people, like being honest about the sources and influences of their works

        Edit here’s one of the inspirations for Homers odyssey, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

        Look, I am not saying both of these aren’t great works with their own merits, I am just saying that people aren’t exposed to different things and then live with cultural and racial biases.

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    The world doesn’t revolve around America, but you’ll see idiots in Bumbfuck, Romania talking about Soros and wokeism. It’s got to be exhausting.

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      Soros is a Hungarian Jew who survived the Holocaust and moved to America afterwards btw, so when someone from the Balkans is complaining about him it’s not ignorance, it means something very specific.

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      I find that people get more ticked off about the woke in non American countries even if it really doesn’t involve them (it should) but even then they increase their hostility because of it