Joe Biden regrets having pulled out of this year’s presidential race and believes he would have defeated Donald Trump in last month’s election – despite negative poll indications, White House sources have said.
The US president has reportedly also said he made a mistake in choosing Merrick Garland as attorney general – reflecting that Garland, a former US appeals court judge, was slow to prosecute Donald Trump for his role in the 6 January 2021 insurrection while presiding over a justice department that aggressively prosecuted Biden’s son Hunter.
Harris’s ascent to the top of the ticket led to a surge of enthusiasm and improved poll numbers but ultimately ended in a decisive electoral college and popular vote defeat.
No he wouldn’t
No
Wouldn’t “JOVER” make more sense?
It’s an existing meme, I believe originally from right wing dumbf*ks but nicely fitting for this occasion. He had 4 years to make something out of it, he didn’t do bad at all but this is a bit of a silly statement.
No neoliberal will ever acknowledge or admit they are as much to blame for fascism as the rest of the right.
They will continue sowing the seeds for fascism until they are consumed by it.
Is it me, or is he going more senile with every new day?
the only way biden could ever dream to defeat trump is with some extrajudicial violence. and that is very obviously never happening.
Who is the only person who beat Trump?
Edit: Says a lot about a person who downvotes a question because they don’t like the obvious answer.
President Trump, of course. Americans are fed up with incumbents.
Wrong. Try again. I’ll help. Obama served two terms. Then Hillary didn’t beat Trump. Then Biden beat Trump. Then Harris lost to Trump. Just say’in
“Beat”
Hilary lost same as Harris because Obama ended up doing nothing to help the citizens and here we are now
Doesn’t matter what your formulation is. Fact remains that Biden is the only one who defeated Trump. BTW, if what you say is true, why would that fact exist? Biden was Obamas VP.
Biden’s own internal polling showed him losing by more than 400 electoral votes.
Again, the point is that he is the only one who beat Trump. You can form as many reasons for him dropping out and I’ll probably agree with most of them, but that fact remains.
Just a sec, let me put my 401k hat on.
Ahem
Past performance does not indicate future performance.
As it turns out, no one really asked you to.
You explicitly did trying to imply that Biden should have started in because he won in 2020.
Explicitly, I responded to a post.that indicated “Biden couldn’t dream of beating Trump” pointing out that he already did. I think we’re done here.
Age caught up with Biden.
He did a massive amount of good for all the disaffected angry voters out there, far more good than any president of the last 40 years. Inflation was bad, but not as bad as elsewhere, and we didn’t go into a recession when everyone predicted we would. His programs were most targeted at the working class, whose wages rose more than under any other recent President. All the lip service pols give about helping the middle class, none of them have done it except ol’ Joe. Most other Dem pols have a strong neo-liberal streak, but Biden is an old-school union Dem.
So many GOP pols taking credit in their districts for programs funded by Biden policies, but which they voted against. So many angry voters who are so much better off because of Biden policies voted for the guy that’s going to rip it all up. Truth doesn’t matter, propaganda wins, “throw the bums out, I’m cranky” is as far as most voters get in their thinking, and it’s going to destroy the country.
Wages of the absolute lowest went up. The mode of 35-40 thousand a year remained right there, while inflation tripled grocery prices.
His programs were not aimed at the working class. Just his gaslighting.
You’re just uninformed. The absolute most that a grocery item went up was eggs, at 160%, and that has a lot to do with a bird flu epidemic. Most groceries went up ~30%, during a period of worldwide inflation. Fuck off with your disinformation.
Check chicken breast prices. That was literally the first one I went to. It doubled. Which is a fuck of a lot more than 30 percent, especially for a pantry staple that was previously reliable. And it wasn’t Bird Flu, that didn’t happen until 2022 and the price was already skyrocketing. And that info is from the st. Louis Fed and CDC.
Meanwhile Biden starts taking fucking victory laps on the economy in spring of 2023, while malnutrition deaths are rising in the US. The man fucked up. The Democrats fucked up. And until that gets admitted nothing is going to change.
when did age catch up with Biden?
he was supporting segregation policies way back when and has always supported nonprogressive policies and based his thinking on Catholicism
wtf did he do that deserves any kind of praise?
being vice to Obama and having Harris as a vice and supporting outdated nonmodern religious right leaning policies does not make him a savior to anyone
He’s been around a long time, and has negotiated a lot of deals between the Dems and the GOP. Someone willing to compromise with half the country isn’t someone to hate on, it’s someone who wants to get some good done.
Look at all the labor union success under Biden, compared to the phenomenal downward trend of labor power ever since Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. Decades of failure of union power until Biden. Under Biden, the autoworkers got their first major win in decades, railroad workers got a better deal than they were originally asking for due to Biden’s negotiators (after he had ordered them back to work), unionization at Starbucks, Amazon… none of this happens without Biden, the first POTUS to walk a picket line. You want to hate on neoliberalism, I’ll join you, but Biden is not that guy.
wtf did he do that deserves any kind of praise?
Inflation reduction act, chips, a pretty decent student loan forgiveness program (best he could do with SCOTUS), pardoning federal marijuana convictions come to mind…
A corporate give away, a distraction, and a pardon he knew hardly anyone would qualify for while Marijuana remains federally illegal.
food/housing costs/insurance rates/taxes are still astronomically high but hey sure that Biden and the billionaires that own our government got reduced inflation
yes he helped someone open up a chip factory
barely anyone got student loan forgiveness
he did nothing for cannabis convictions or the movement since he started being a politician over half a century ago and instead helped incarcerate a shit ton of people but then again, he would have had less people voting for him if he had not helped lock up so many people
fuck Biden for helping to sell our potential to the highest bidder
food/housing costs/insurance rates/taxes are still astronomically high but hey sure that Biden and the billionaires that own our government got reduced inflation
Neither Biden nor any other US president has control over the costs of food, housing, or insurance rates. Not sure what specific taxes you’re complaining about.
Also, you might want to check out what happens when you spend a year and a half pumping out $600 checks every week to unemployed people across the country to entice them to stay home, causing labor costs to skyrocket. Or did you not notice traditionally minimum-wage employers like fast food joints and supermarkets start offering $19/hr+ just to get people in the door. What did you think was going to happen to labor costs? Did you think corporations were just going to absorb those costs at the cost of their own profits? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. What about the people who were making $19 before the pandemic and saw the equivalent of Walmart greeters suddenly getting paid the same amount? You don’t think they demanded raises too? The ripple effects of those checks absolutely caused labor costs to permanently skyrocket up and down the food chain, and of course those costs are going to be passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices.
And do you know what happens when you just magically print money out of nowhere (the entire costs of those unemployment checks were simply tacked on to the national debt.)? Huge spikes in inflation. This is pretty much economics 101.
And everything else can pretty much be chalked up to greedflation. Supplies increased by (made up number for explanatory purposes) 10% so of course they shot their prices up by 15% and just blamed supply chain issues.
Who started sending those $600 checks out? Oh, that was Trump. Because “throw money at it” is his answer to everything.
yes he helped someone open up a chip factory
Actually, there’s about a dozen of them being built across the country. Might wanna take a look at all the jobs created by the Inflation Reduction Act.
barely anyone got student loan forgiveness
And that’s thanks to SCOTUS gutting 90% of his plans.
he did nothing for cannabis convictions
Except for the two proclamations announcing pardons for federal cannabis convictions.
or the movement since he started being a politician over half a century ago and instead helped incarcerate a shit ton of people but then again, he would have had less people voting for him if he had not helped lock up so many people
Exactly what “shit ton of people” did he incarcerate?
fuck Biden for helping to sell our potential to the highest bidder
That bidder was Trump, and fuck you for helping him return to power.
So we should be kicking other Democrats out of office too? Sure I’m good with that. There’s absolutely things they can do. They just refuse to move without the approval of the Republicans. For example HUD has an authority to literally build housing. FEMA can buy containerized housing and deploy that.
Labor costs didn’t sky rocket. That’s corporate propaganda. They got caught telling their shareholders they didn’t actually have cost push inflation, they were just raising prices. If labor costs had skyrocketed then maybe workers could still afford cereal and milk. Also, we know you can pay 20 an hour and not significantly raise prices, we saw this in pre-pandemic California.
Honestly your comment reads like you get your news from the opinion section of the Wall Street Journal.
Labor costs didn’t sky rocket. That’s corporate propaganda.
LOL.
Low end positions going from barely over the federal minimum and are now paying $15, but labor costs didn’t skyrocket. I’d love to meet your math teacher so I can slap them for failing you so hard. And do you think corporations are going to be benevolent and just absorb those costs if they don’t have to? If the employees are demanding a wage increase, that increase is going to come in the form of increased prices to consumers, along with a little extra bump for themselves. Whether you think that’s right is irrelevant. It’s going to happen, you can’t change that, and it’s not going to change. There isn’t a world where corporations aren’t going to increase wages and just absorb those costs out of the kindness of their hearts. It’s just not going to happen.
They got caught telling their shareholders they didn’t actually have cost push inflation, they were just raising prices.
Never said they didn’t. Both things can happen, you know. Labor costs skyrocketed. They just decided to make their corporate profits skyrocket at the same time and just blame the labor costs. Doesn’t mean labor costs didn’t skyrocket.
If labor costs had skyrocketed then maybe workers could still afford cereal and milk.
Not if the costs of cereal and milk skyrocketed even faster. That’s what happened. People got the pay raises they demanded. Corporations and landlords just retaliated by jacking up prices and rents even more. You can demand all the wage increases you want. But as long as corporations can respond with even bigger price hikes, no amount of pay will give you a living wage.
If you want to solve the problem, the solution is to start hauling CEOs before congress and making them explain their skyrocketing profit margins to the American people. Put some teeth to price gouging laws. Put heavier taxes on corporate profits that are above pre-pandemic percentages. But if you just demand increased wages while doing nothing about what’s going on on the other end, you’re going to wonder why you can never make ends meet no matter how much money you make.
You didn’t listen to a goddamn word. Just repeated your propaganda harder.
pushing and advocating for living wages that all states have to follow would help and the DNC quit advocating on this
not every business Walmart and Mcdonald’s included are paying $19 an hour everywhere and in the south people are still making less than $15 an hour even with construction jobs pay is abominably low
not all those jobs will include living wages with worker rights included
Democrats always have a scapegoat
again that amounts to nothing especially considering how much damage him and the Democrats have caused and continue to do so
Biden helped craft laws that put a lot people in jail that either should not have been or should not have been as long of a sentence which to me amounts to rigging the election by keeping people jailed
Trump is just another puppet like Biden is
pushing and advocating for living wages that all states have to follow would help and the DNC quit advocating on this
Because they got what they wanted. What you fail to take into account is that companies and corporate landlords simply responded by jacking up prices and rents which basically nullified the benefits. What do you think is going to happen if wages got jacked up to $25? The same thing. Corporations and landlords would just jack up prices even further to increase their profits and nullifying the gains that the increased wages bring. And the cycle continues and continues.
If you want to break that cycle, start dragging corporate CEOs into hearings and making them answer why their profit margins skyrocket faster than inflation. But if all you’re going to do is demand increased wages while doing nothing on the other side, you’re just going to ensure that the cycle will continue forever. No amount of wage increase is going to actually improve anybody’s financial situation if they’re going to do nothing about corporations simply raising prices and landlords raising rents even further in response.
People could demand that government raise the federal minimum wage to elevety billion dollars an hour. Won’t matter so long as corporations continue to respond by increasing prices by eleventy trillion just because they think they deserve more profit.
not every business Walmart and Mcdonald’s included are paying $19 an hour everywhere and in the south people are still making less than $15 an hour even with construction jobs pay is abominably low
This is a fair point. I live in New England, and that’s where rates are right now. My daughter works as a greeter at a Chuck-E-Cheese and makes $17 an hour. To stand there and stamp kids’ hands. If you expect quality workers who will actually stick around for more than a few days, you need to start at $20. Minimum. That’s just the reality around here. And for what it’s worth, it really doesn’t matter. Corporations and landlords just jacked everything else up in response when the wages started rising. Apartments in the shitty parts of town that used to go for $600 a month are now in the $1500-$2000 range. Plenty of people around here were better off when wages were half of what they were now simply because those wages at least went further. I’m not saying that they were good by any stretch of the imagination, but a person making $10 an hour ($400 a week, $1600 a month) and has $1600 in expenses is still doing better than someone making $3200 a month but has $3500 worth of expenses. And that’s pretty much where we are now.
not all those jobs will include living wages with worker rights included
$15 an hour was a living wage before the pandemic. The problem isn’t the wage. It’s that the cost of living just went up even faster, and our government is unwilling to start hauling CEOs before Congress and demanding that they justify their inflated profit margins. Haul a few CEOs before congress, make them explain themselves (especially now, with the looming threat of someone else going full Luigi on their ass), and watch greed-flation suddenly become passe.
again that amounts to nothing especially considering how much damage him and the Democrats have caused and continue to do so
Exactly what damage is that, and how does allowing Trump to return to power help in any possible way?
Biden helped craft laws that put a lot people in jail
And exactly what laws are those?
that either should not have been or should not have been as long of a sentence which to me amounts to rigging the election by keeping people jailed.
Oh, come on now. This is the most ridiculous take I’ve ever heard. Not everything is political persecution or election interference. Talk about looking for a scapegoat. Stop sounding like Trump.
Trump is just another puppet like Biden is
Ah, yes. The both-sides-ism. Because Biden absolutely was going to enact a national abortion ban, kill off the Department of Education, gut social safety net programs, deport a bunch of brown people. And Trump is going to actually create jobs, cancel student debt, pardon cannabis users…
Yep. Both sides are exactly the same. Yesirreee…
You asked what he did, and I told you. There will always be problems. The fact that we’re recovering from a historic pandemic and other countries are feeling the same things (often worse) should tell you there isn’t a magic lever the president can pull to reduce costs over 4 years (2 considering the house flipped halfway through)
Let’s see…
He barely won in 2020.
He fucked around in Gaza.
Fucked around with civil rights, voting rights,
Failed to do anything to actually stop trump.
Was polling significantly worse than he was in 2020z
It took him most of his four years in office to even realize that people were struggling financially despite all the good numbers.
Meanwhile, trump was running around shoring up his support for 4 years.
If Biden actually thinks he could have won he’s a dumbfuck that needed to retire.
I don’t think he would have won. I do however think that because he quit he put a lot of doubt in the Democratic Party. And the voters may have gone the other way based purely on that.
I also think it’d be dumb for Biden to have stayed in the race but in retrospect he’s the most progressive president we’ve had in my lifetime (I was born during Reagan’s administration).
The response to the genocide in Gaza, in particular, was a huge political misstep - in terms of party popularity it seems to have been more costly than the Iraq War.
Biden did a lot of other shit especially investments in tech and manufacturing that are already paying huge dividends. It’s actually astonishing he managed to get a high precision TSMC plant in AZ due to the existential threat that may cause to Taiwan and greenlighting plant reconstruction through the NRC may be a godsend if we’re able to start fighting climate change again in 2028 (America may still be dumb as shit though).
It’ll take some time to really measure how these investments will fully mature but as much as I hate him for not rejecting genocide he has otherwise been the least shit president I’ve ever lived under.
He was great for the country and corporations. He was shit for the people. He forgot who actually votes until all he could do was try to gaslight us about a split recovery.
They’ve been planning that plant since Obama. Don’t attribute that to a Biden.
Both poverty and homelessness skyrocketed under the ‘most progressive president since FDR™’
You’re not wrong - though that’s been happening pretty much across the globe. Late stage capitalism is a bitch and the squeeze is hitting everyone.
I want to clarify that I don’t think Biden was a fantastic president or anything - he was just better than I’d initially expected and the least worse in recent history (if you ignore his response to the genocide in Gaza)
While he does technically clear the low bar of most progressive from himself, Obama, and Clinton, I have to point out that the spotlight issue you present here for the most progressive president is corporate subsidies for national defense purposes.
I’m not sure he’d win but Kamala didn’t have a chance.
Biden was at -5 when he dropped out and was slipping by the day. Kamala at least made it neck and neck.
If Biden had stayed in, Trump would have won in a landslide that would have seen Regan/Mondale look competitive.
Brother he had less of a chance than Kamala, if anything he should have dropped sooner
This is one of the issues I have with criticism of Harris.
The woman had no control over the situation. She couldn’t exactly force Biden to drop out. There was no time for a primary. The woman was handed chicken shit and was expected to turn in into chicken salad with barely 3 months to go. The fact that she even made it competitive with 3 months to go, Biden’s numbers in the toilet, and her own popularity numbers in the sewer is itself a miracle.
The woman was given cement shoes, told to sprint, and everybody shits all over her for only being able to jog.
Agreed that Kamala got handed a shit show. At the time he did step down, she was the best candidate and she stepped up.
Mad respect for that and what she did accomplish.
Still, she needed to put daylight between her and Biden on Gaza, shouldn’t have run to the right on immigration and really needed to update the messaging on the economy.
I mean the whole genocide thing… it seems pretty brain dead not to. My guess on that is to avoid pissing off AIPAC, but they were already pulling hard for trump anyway. (Fascists of a feather stroke cock together.)
On immigration it was trump’s thrice-damned plan. Why the fuck would you run with that?
And then, on the economy messaging… telling people who are struggling to make rent or buy groceries that the economy is doing great is just a great way to piss them off.
When they say that wages outpaced inflation, they’re only talking the last few years. The people at the bottom have had ridiculously flat wage growth for decades. At least as long as I’ve been in the workforce. Actually, before the pandemic, I never had an actual raise, it always came with more responsibilities (aka a promotion.)
Wages have been stagnant for the bottom half and the bit we got during the pandemic doesn’t even come close to keeping pace with inflation over the course of our lives. Which means that with all the stain, people are struggling.
They need help. Not a “well, aktually…” the messaging should have been “here’s our plan to get you where you need to be, here’s what we’ve been doing and where we’re going”.
Kamala continued the Biden course and had many of Bidens campaign staffers because they deemed switching them risky with the time left.
This likely contributed to her campaign being Joe Biden in everything but name.
Being his veep, it’s not like she could really put much distance between her and Biden.
Then (a) exactly what did you expect her to do, (b) why didn’t people say anything about it before the election, and © how the fuck is allowing Trump to return to power a better alternative in any way, shape, or form?
All these people who are shitting all over Harris allowed the perfect to be the enemy of the good, and in the process allowed the terrible to return to power. Y’all said that “Significantly better than Trump” wasn’t good enough so now you get Trump. Good job, guys. You played yourselves. You decided to step aside to watch the leopards start eating faces without realizing that those leopards have no problems eating the faces of the spectators too.
Biden dropped out because polling was awful. Kamala continuing his failed course meant guaranteed failure. Kamala should have taken the risk and swapped out the ghouls running Bidens campaign.
Or even better, Democrats should have had a primary instead of shoehorning in Kamala.
She started strong. In the ACAB era we were gonna vote for the prosecutor, but then she stopped saying “they’re weird”, she stated cozying up to republicans, “I’ll put one on my cabinet”, Liz Cheney, supporting Israel (although honestly I doubt a candidate would survive going against them, maybe once she was president, but it very well could have lost her Michigan)
Point is, it was working and then it got all “brat” and “we need to work with the traitors” and a fuckload of people just sat it out. Probably figured we’d be getting mostly the same either way, since that’s how she made it look. Either Trump wins, or the GOP obstructs for another 4 years while controlling SCOTUS.
The fuck does it matter at that point?
There was plenty of time for a primary. He said in 2020 that he would be a 1 term president, and then went back on that. If he had stuck to being a one term president, then we would have had a primary in 2024. That wouldn’t have guaranteed that the DNC could hand us the worst possible candidate for the election though.
Kamela absolutely could have reminded him at the end of 2023 that he said he was too old in 2020 and only wanted one term. That would have let her run a primary, and probably get primaried.
Neither you nor I know what kind of conversations were going on privately behind the scenes. For all any of us know, these conversations could have been going on for months with Biden just being stubborn.
Kamala could have reminded him. She also could have jumped up and down yelling “Hi, I’m a squid.” for all that it mattered. Kamala had exactly zero control over any of this. She could not force Biden to drop. Now, you could obviously make a case that it’s Biden’s fault for not dropping out sooner when it was obvious he wasn’t going to win. But none of that is Kamala’s fault or anyone else’s. Nobody could force Biden to drop out. At the very least, put the blame where it belongs.
Kamala had a lot of enthusiasm behind her when she took over the campaign. Then she squandered all of it by hiring the same hacks who lost to Trump in 2016. If she hadn’t sidelined Walz, or ignored the Uncommitted movement, or ran on the kind of left-wing economic message that won in 2020, she might have had a chance.
Biden, however, had no chance. Even if he had reversed course on Gaza and adopted left-wing economic populism, he was doomed from the moment he walked on that debate stage. Everyone was worried that he was old and senile, and it turns out they were right. Nothing was going to make the American people vote for him after that became public.
Can every American politician over the retirement age please kindly fuck off?
Best I can do is the youngest senate president pro tempore in over 50 years. She’s 74. That’s Patty Murray by the by, she’s who would become president if they make Musk speaker of the house and they botch the handoff. It wouldn’t happen but it’s funny to think that America could get it’s first Woman president by a few men’s incompetence.
Shut up you dumb old twat. Get the fuck out of the way.
Pardon my French, but Fuck you, joe. This isn’t helpful.
Let the old man have his comforting delusions.
Jesus tapdancing christ, Biden, you absolute wilted cabbage.
Joe Biden regrets having pulled out of this year’s presidential race and believes he would have defeated Donald Trump in last month’s election – despite negative poll indications, White House sources have said.
Biden was behind by 5 points when he dropped out and was slipping by the day. He had zero chance of defeating Trump. Regardless of the reality of the situation or what you think of his policies, the general public wanted someone to blame, and they decided that person was Biden. Doesn’t matter what he did or didn’t do. People decided Biden was the scapegoat, and nothing was going to change that.
The US president has reportedly also said he made a mistake in choosing Merrick Garland as attorney general – reflecting that Garland, a former US appeals court judge, was slow to prosecute Donald Trump for his role in the 6 January 2021 insurrection while presiding over a justice department that aggressively prosecuted Biden’s son Hunter.
This is 100% correct. Biden gave Garland the AG slot as a make-good over the fact that his Supreme Court nomination got railroaded. I’m also sure that the thought process, even though it could never be spoken, was that Garland would aggressively pursue Trump as revenge for his SC nod getting snubbed. Instead, we got an AG who intentionally sat on his hands for four years and slow-walked prosecutions that a first-year intern should have been able to handle.
Biden made two mistakes in this regard. First, he allowed himself to be paralyzed by optics and fear that Trump would frame any action as political persecution and interference, as if Trump wasn’t going to do that anyway. His second mistake was not replacing Garland as AG sooner. Optics my ass, if you know the AG is sitting on a case with overwhelming evidence and is not prosecuting that case, replace the fucking AG.
Harris’s ascent to the top of the ticket led to a surge of enthusiasm and improved poll numbers but ultimately ended in a decisive electoral college and popular vote defeat.
But at the end of the day, she could not overcome the greatest sin of all – trying to run for President while being a black woman.
She didn’t lose because shes a black woman, she lost because she was running the same campaign the old white man did.
And the solution to that problem is putting Trump back in power why?
How is that your response?
The person you responded to didn’t advocate an opinion about who should be president, but rather why the Democratic candidate lost.
By what fucked up process does that end up translating into you thinking that person was advocating for Trump?
Who said anything about Trump? This entire discussion is about how Democrats lost.
Critique of one is not an automatic endorsement of the other.
She was dumber than a senile old man is why she lost. The dems needed fresh talent. They painted themselves in a corner this time.
And they’ll do it again next election.
[ x ] Doubt.
