• @[email protected]
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    32 years ago

    Since the whole Michael Bublé Bubly advertisements, I like to say Googlé just to watch people roll their eyes.

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    We speak the language and pronounce new words based on the past words of the language. There are exceptions but they don’t negate the defaults.

    Nearly every single word in English that starts with a g followed by a soft ih/eh vowel is pronounced as a soft g, just a few:

    gin gypsy general gerund Gerald gel gem gyp Geronimo gesture

    In fact, there are something like 20,000 words in the dictionary that start with G and the number of them that are pronounced with a hard G where this rule otherwise dictates a soft G is such a small fraction of them that it has its own wiki page.

    This video is a tad harsh for comedic effort, but otherwise entirely fact based and sourced:

    https://youtu.be/MSJaSS_Zj0Y

    Bottom line: you’re free to use a hard G, but it’s not the default pronunciation based on either all other English words or the creator’s intentions, and if you’re confused why others pronounce it with a soft G, they would seem to be simply more familiar with the English language 🤷‍♂️

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      Nearly every single word in English that starts with a g followed by a soft ih/eh vowel is pronounced as a soft g, just a few:

      That is patently not true and blatant cherry picking, e.g. already contradicted by the lexically matching word “gift” (and there are “giggle”, “gild”, “girl”, “git”, “give”, “gizmo”, etc.). See Wikipedia, which referenced linguists studying this:

      An analysis of 269 words by linguist Michael Dow found near-tied results on whether a hard or soft g was more appropriate based on other English words; the results varied somewhat depending on what parameters were used.[11] Of the 105 words that contained gi somewhere in the word, 68 used the soft g while only 37 employed its counterpart. However, the hard g words were found to be significantly more common in everyday English; […]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF#Cause

      Michael Dow is an associate professor in linguistics with specialization in phonology, by the way.

      and if you’re confused why others pronounce it with a soft G, they would seem to be simply more familiar with the English language 🤷‍♂️

      Well, clearly you are already not as “familiar with the English language” as you might think.

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        12 years ago

        All you basically said is “nuh uh because my feelings” and then an appeal to authority who disregarded the following vowel sound. “But he’s a professor” proves nothing, let alone backs any sort of assertion that you or he are familiar with squat 🤷‍♂️

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    322 years ago

    I would never correct how someone pronounces gif, but…

    • Gin is a tasty drink.
    • Gerunds are verbal nouns.
    • Gentrification is a trend in urban environments.
    • Gifs are poorly optimized internet clips with controversy surrounding their pronunciation.
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    52 years ago

    Everyone in the comments pointing out inconsistencies in the English language, but there’s lots of people who speak other languages, that do very interesting things to such consonants.

    Can we get some input from the likes of the Danish and the Dutch regarding how to read this?

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    I pronounce “salmon”, “solder”, “colonel”, “victual”, “gunwale”, “vineyard”, and “indict” all phonetically. I still insist that they’re alternative pronoucniations and not “wrong ways to pronounce them”. If that’s the case, then say “GIF” however the hell you want.

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    This is actually an issue that should be solved at the English level. All words starting with a ‘g’ that are pronounced ‘j’ should be written with a ‘j’.

    Girl -> Girl
    Giraffe -> jiraffe
    GIF -> GIF

  • ren (a they/them)
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    302 years ago

    Gerry the gentle giraffe went to the gym with the generous gem of a gymnast Geoffrey (the giant ginger who wears gentlemen’s hair gel and studies geometry). Genius!

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      62 years ago

      That’s the gist, generally. Then, gyrating, giblets jiggling , he mixed a gigantic gin and ginseng.

      • ren (a they/them)
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        ^ this person gets it.

        People are so weird about this. Yes, G’s often sound like J’s English is weird. The inventor gets to have the say, he called it “jif”, great, it’s “jif”. To say it hard g “gif” and act like all G’s sound the same is just announcing one’s own ignorance. Weird take. Welcome to English!

        English is filled with weird duplicative shit. Ex: Why do we even have C’s anyway if we could use an S or a K? “Accident” one C is “kuh” and one C is “Suh”. WTF English?

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          22 years ago

          The inventor can call it whatever he wants, but it’s not going to change the pronunciation that has stuck with the general public. Language isn’t some decided upon thing that one person gets to control, it is a tool that naturally evolves and changes over time as it spreads from person to person

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              22 years ago

              There is no agreed way to pronounce it.

              so you agree then that one person doesn’t get to decide what the pronunciation is, and there is no “official” way to say it (although, the majority of people use the hard g - source)

              • ren (a they/them)
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                12 years ago

                lol, no, I’m saying pop culture hasn’t decided yet, silly.

                I just find the weirdos who forget soft G’s exist ridiculous.