Listening to Dolphin while playing Wave Racer 64
I ran into a live performance they did in 1985 the other day while i was doing yard work. It was really good, they’re all phenomenal musicians. The crowd response was nutty, it was cool to see/hear that many people loving the hell out of the music and the band.
Huh, that’s actually pretty cool music.
A lot of the people doing video game music in the 80s were Casiopea fans, so there is a big overlap between their stuff and game music.
Their track “Countdown” being a very cleae example.
Yeah, so I noticed :D A YouTube video I saw also mentioned T-Square as another one that’s likely to’ve influenced video game music.
Listening to some of Casiopea’s tracks definitely evokes that feeling of ‘I might’ve heard that in Ridge Racer or Gran Turismo’ without being able to pin down a specific track.
I’m not seeing a track called Countdown on YT music though, what album is that on?
Huh I’m not seeing it either, but it’s a dead ringer for the Pole Position start music.
Maybe it was actually by another band and Spotify sneaked it into the playlist?
They remind me of Gran Turismo
That album fucking rules. Can also confirm the Japanese vinyl store experience, they love to add personal touches.
Japan does jazz really nice. Look up Soil and Pimp for a more spicy metal jazz experience.
Fun fact: Casiopea released an album last year. It isn’t nearly as good, but still cool.
you are all not going to like my take on JP music
Western music has a history of taking pride in lack of music education, obviously with rock gods trying to convince their audience that “they don’t know what chords are” and such.
Obviously when compared to a society that prides itself on education and “trying” at hobbies (otaku), then you get to see some insane 6D jazz chords and solos from outer space
Biggest lie Western musicians have sold to their audience is the music theory will “take away” something from their music/originality
What part of this do you think people will not like? It sounds like you are praising Japanese musicians and criticizing Western ones. Your criticism of Western music seems pretty off though, the only musicians that match your description are punk bands.
there are many world class western musicians so people reading my criticism will probably think im targeting western music as whole.
it’s just this weird subculture in western music that I don’t like and it shows through their live performances the most. fou only hear “wow it sounds just like the album” when western groups are playing
The weird subculture you are referring to is pop music directed at teenage girls, generally written by 20 year old boys.
It’s not representative of Western music.
Your take on Japanese music is fine. Your take on “western” (whatever that means) music is hot garbage, however.
So you’re just gonna sit there and ignore the vast history and tradition of Jazz, classical, and music education in the west, huh? Neat.
I mean, when your major genres are built on a foundation of music made by folks who often didn’t have access to formal musical education, I kinda get it.
As an Elecki enjoyer I do see your point, though.
Edit: Will say I think you’re being overbroad, but I’m pretty sure you have rock in mind, where there is a tradition of downplaying formal musical knowledge, which kinda makes sense considering where it comes from in the U.S.
Oh, brother. Only thing I don’t like about your take is that you obviously have no clue of the history of western music in general and still decided to voice an opinion about it.
I always saw it as musicians without formal education just want people to know that also works. And it’s OK to be proud of that. I don’t follow all the musicians and know their thoughts, but I can’t recall any vh1 behind the musics where an artist claimed music theory takes away from music. Recall a couple saying both is often the best. Neil Pert, iirc was a real interesting story with regards to that.
don’t lump all of the West in with America. I play four instruments well and pretty much any instrument badly because I got lessons in school and could do both music performance and production in my last two years at school, I performed jazz, church and pop music regularly throughout my childhood and it didn’t feel unusual or privileged. We sang and played instruments every single day in primary school.
Also my English and History teachers would sometimes play us music that related to what we were studying in secondary school.
Maybe this is true in acoustic music but not at all in electronic music
It’s that way in almost every country that isn’t America or America-light. Japan does it in over-the-top performative ways, but pretty much everywhere else, people care about random strangers, people invest time into their days and activities being nice just for the simple pleasure of human stuff and taking time to be a human and be pleasing with other people. Food, gifts, clothing, respect and value for travelers and gestures of good-will. If you’re from America, it feels “normal” here but something is clearly missing, and if you ever spend any length of time overseas you see exactly what it is and how badly wrong things are here, that it is missing.
I’m not trying to be prejudiced about it, just saying that every culture has its good stuff and its failings and not giving a shit about other people or life in general is definitely an American one.
I sell on ebay and while I don’t go that far out of my way I do put a little thank you stamp on the packing slip, make sure everything is packed correctly and I go out of my way to make sure that the item is shipped either same day or next day if they order later in the day. People are always grateful that they get their items so fast. I often sell spare parts for things off of already broken items, but even things like cassette tapes I imagine that they want it for the weekend or it’s for a gift for someone.
Not sure what it has to do with America, but the European countries (or people’s relationship) I’ve lived in are extremely far from being that nice.
I ws defining most of Europe as “America light” here. People in Central America, the Middle East, and Africa all have a particular human way of interacting with each other that is absent in America and sort of muted in a lot of Western Europe. Then at a certain point my perspective flipped and I realized their way was normal, and it’s us that have something unusual about us.
The world is a big place with a lot of variation, and I’m not trying to romanticize any particular place. Just saying that a lot of looking out for each other and being kind has been forgotten about in a lot of America.
Yeah, I have a European acquaintance who I’ve heard talk at length about how America is warm and friendly relative to Europe, and it’s a notion I’ve heard backed up by online accounts as well.
I’m in Germany, which feels pretty unfriendly to me (and I’m from Connecticut), but there’s still a back current of something. I don’t know if it’s best described as a sense of community, solidarity, or shared humanity, but I work at a bakery (culturally comparable to a diner, imo, and I worked in the US at a few diners) and the clientele as a rule sees me as a person in a way that they didn’t always in the US.
It’s also the first place I’ve worked in a city that didn’t have an oppositional relationship with the local homeless population, because my boss treats them like people, and doesn’t allow anyone to do any differently.
Wie just hate strangers, that’s all. Or rather people in general. If someone is friendly to me on the street, I look for an escape route and check if my wallet is still there.
Absolutely. Cold culture vs warm culture. It’s not just an American thing, but the "only america is this bad!" thought process on here is rampant. It’s getting exhausting.
If you’re from America, it feels “normal” here but something is clearly missing, and if you ever spend any length of time overseas you see exactly what it is and how badly wrong things are here, that it is missing.
What’s missing is walkability and “third-spaces.” Seriously. We are building our cities wrong as a matter of policy and it is absolutely destroying us.
See also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/29/extreme-car-dependency-unhappiness-americans
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/11/2/the-negative-consequences-of-car-dependency
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/03/05/all-the-ways-that-cars-harm-our-communities-well-almost-all
Europe took a long stroll in that direction too, but there are some major differences. First, most of their cities were established before cars. Second, they’re making more of an active attempt (in some areas) to be walkable again.
In short, in America 75 years is a long time. In Europe, 75 miles (120km) is a long way.
First, most of their cities were established before cars.
That’s true for America too, and isn’t an excuse. American cities were not built for cars; they were demolished for cars!
For example, downtown Houston, TX in 1957:
vs downtown Houston, TX in 1978:
That’s so absurd it almost doesn’t seem real
(from my european perspective)Are those the same location? I can’t see any common landmarks
Same location, look for the tall white tower with the vertical stripes and balconies, which is in the middle of the bottom photo. Top photo is slightly more zoomed out.
Forgive me, I’m gonna need some help here
Center of the picture,the building at the top of the color picture seems to be the same one as is found 5 or six buildings north west of the building in the center of the picture in black and white
There are some blatant disinformation peddlers on Lemmy and it seems like Grue and yimby should have that reputation because the developed area in the second pic barely overlaps that of the first. How could this be anything but intentional?
Here’s a side-by-side with as close as I could get with current imagery:
Identified in each is the 1910 Harris County Courthouse which is many blocks away from the are of the second pic.
Here’s a comparison of the two and an intermediate perspective from modern imagery. The approximate area of the two pics are outlined in different colors, and a few buildings that are common in all three have been lettered. These are now some of the smaller buildings in the downtown area. It makes sense that lower-density / less-efficient buildings would be replaced with more modern structures (though one of them was replaced with a park 💚🌳). The implication from initial juxtaposition of the original pics that a bunch of tall buildings were torn down to make parking lots is a flat out lie.
This is an amazing analysis. I really appreciate how you located where the empty parking lots were, and now I can see them in both images. Yep, it definitely looks like the downtown area has only developed somewhat and that nothing was torn down.
I still believe somewhat OPs claim that areas were expanded more for cars than for walkability, but yeah a different set of images would be needed to cement that
American cities were not built for cars; they were demolished for cars!
You can actually see this in any small town that hasn’t seen significant redevelopment since they first paved the streets. Old houses are really close together, small lots, fairly dense development and its only a couple of miles from any part of town to any other part of town, so pretty walkable/bikable by nature
What’s 75 years in metric?
2.3652 gigaseconds
I’m Canadian and we’re very America lite.
I grew up in a small town and I miss being young and spending so much time getting to know my neighbours or random people at the diner.
People feel less friendly the last few years, but when you get to know people they are nice. But that consideration for our fellow man is weak lately.
This is why I moved out of a metropolis to a small mountain town. We have our share of assholes and dipshit tourists, but a lot of people genuinely care up here and it’s much easier to be of that mindset when you’re around people of a similar ilk.
Nelson? Revelstoke? Golden? Or proper little like New Denver or Kaslo or something? Considering that change for myself after having already gone from Toronto to Okanagan. Keep finding myself drawn to those kinds of places.
Edit: Previous comment said Canadian, just assumed you were Canadian! Sorry.
Honestly trumpism killed a lot of that spirit in the small town (and its surrounding towns) that I moved to. Now I’m working on moving back to the large city because then I can join some clubs and maybe find some sense of community that was lost thanks to the “fuck your feelings” crowd.
I’ve also now had 2 job changes due to layoffs in a row, so I want to move to where there’s more job opportunities for the next time a workplace decides to do without me, and not find myself up the proverbial creek and forced to accept another job with an hour+ of commuting each direction
Yes this Greentext introduced me to Casiopea and jazz fusion, Mint Jams is still my favorite album of theirs. Other notable works of the genre include Miles Davis’s In a Silent Way, Masayoshi Takanaka’s On Guitar, and ISSEI NORO INSPIRITS’ BEAUTY.
That is a good album. Those cats jam, and jam well.
I think I ordered a Ratatat vinyl from the same seller, or Japanese discogs sellers are just the best. They sent me a free 1970s Japanese city pop vinyl and a bunch of stickers for fun.
Good ad; didn’t get me into Japanese stuff because I’m already into anime and manga and underage looking girls and excessively gross porn and whatnot (could do without the pixelated junk, though), but it got me to listen to some Mint Jams.
Not exactly my thing (too much like elevator muzak for my taste, read Japanese jazz, expected something more like the Seatbelts 🤷♂️), but not bad, very eighties, could put it in the background while doing something else.
If you’re looking for something more pop-like, with heavy jazz influences, consider checking out Zutomayo. It’s a rotating cast of masked musicians, (the vocalist is the only permanent member), with some heavy big band and jazz underscoring it. The instrumentation is actually phenomenal, especially for a group that has the pop so front and center. For instance, the bass line from this (especially the solo around the 1:30 mark) could put many bass players to shame the first time they try it.
Huh; the one you linked is way too Japanese for my taste (it’s the voice, way too high, like nails on a chalkboard), but I checked a couple videos at random from their YouTube channel and got the Dandadan ending and an extended version of Chainsaw Man’s second ending (both with different visuals), which sound great (for anime endings) but aren’t something I’d listen to on their own. Definitely not jazz or anywhere close, though. Thanks anyway.
That’s why I was upfront about it being pop. It’s interesting to hear the way they pull inspiration from different genres, because their instrumentation below the pop is almost always top tier.
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Huh this makes sense now
I watched a great Japanese animated film last year about a jazz musician: Blue Giant. Can definitely recommend.
Oh man thank you for reminding me of casiopea. Haven’t listened to them since like early high-school I think. Back into weekly rotation now!
According to this person: music = “weeb shit”.
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Music from a famous Japanese band, sold by a Japanese person, delivered with a bunch of stereotypical Japanese things. Seems a bit disingenuous to generalize that to just “music”
According to this person: bricks = pangolin or some shit I can’t read
