Transcription for the blind: Storefront with two paper signs taped to the window. Left sign says "Since the supreme court had ruled that businesses can discriminate…NO SALES TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS. Right sign says “We only sell to churches that fly the pride flag” and has an illustrated image of a pride flag and a church.
-Transcription done by a human volunteer. Let me know how I can do better.
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*hand out treats
Good human
Good human
Thank you, I’m not blind but I appreciate you helping out others
Thanks dude. You make the world a better place.
Good human
That’s something that I could get behind.
Hypocrite
Lol not even remotely
Uh yes. Example: What was all that flak when bakery’s denied service to lesbian couples. What is next deny service to whites? Hate is going full circle, hence the hypocrisy. Shit like that is only giving ammunition to the othersides.
We did a case study on this in college. The bakery didn’t refuse service to them, they told the couple that they were more than welcome to pick any of the predesigned cakes they had, but the bakery wouldn’t make a pride specific cake.
the bakery wouldn’t make a pride specific cake
LOL in other words they would not serve them.
So discrimination specifically based on a protected class.
Right I was pointing out the laughable explanation that amounts to an admission to the discrimination.
Ok fair enough, thank you. That is not much better in regards to the bakery. It also makes this store all the worse though. Discrimination is never the answer, although many here seem to think it is. Faith in humanity is certainly not restored. Let go of the anger Padawans.
I don’t think you know what the word hypocrite means.
Striving for equality and acceptance by promoting hate towards others beliefs. Yes, I’d say that is hypocritical. What word would you use to describe them?
Hate towards beiefs is fine, and I think you’d even agree with that. Would you agree it’s bad to believe that a subset groups of people should be removed from the world? I would hope you agree that that is a bad belief and doesn’t need to be accepted.
But it’s also missing the point. Being gay isn’t a belief, it’s just the way someone is - just like race, just like gender. It’s not a belief like a political stance is.
They’re two different things and it’s not hypocritical to treat them differently.
Hate the belief not the believer.
:-)
This is just code for bigotry. I don’t have the mood necessary for politely explaining it so I won’t.
Such an unbelievable ruling, but this is really the best possible response. If conservatives thought they were persecuted before…
They are only hurting themselves. Let them have at it
To be fair if I see a sign saying they support Trump, GOP, or anti-LGBT I keep walking on by. I have seen many places that say if you are a bigot, sexist, or racist you are not welcome here. Those are the places I spend my money at.
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Exactly. A Trump sign at a business guarantees that business won’t get my money now or in the future.
There’s a large grocery store chain here that the owner was at the Jan 6th insurrection. A lot of people, including myself, refuse to shop there now.
Was it Publix? I know the owner’s a huge supporter of conservative causes— really hope she’s not also an insurrectionist. (Asking bc I’m trying to avoid giving business to Walgreens, and just started sending prescriptions to Publix instead.)
No it isn’t anything that big.
I stopped going to a dentist because her office looked like Trump campaign headquarters. Signs and shit everywhere. She otherwise seemed nice and competent but hell no.
Don’t forget the “Jesus fish” on their logo.
I’m from out west, so it was a very foreign concept for me when I visited my sister in Arkansas and saw a lot of “Christian Family Auto” type places with Jesus swag trying to win over business.
There’s a pizza place in a town near me that has “Make Pizza Great Again” permanently painted on their sign in huge letters. Needless to say, they will never get my business.
There’s a place near me that I was planning on eating at. Then I saw they had a “Back the Bleu” burger. They won’t get my business.
European here so it may not be clear to me, but I thought discriminating against religious movements like the church or trump supporters is still illegal. Correct?
Political affiliation is not a protected class. You are permitted to discriminate based on politics. Religious affiliation is a protected class. You cannot discriminate solely on the basis of religion… Until now.
Conservatives love to discriminate, but their new rulings are also making it easier to discriminate against them.
Political affiliation is not protected, religious affiliation is. It’s true that the Right has been doing their level best to politicise their religious feelings into public life, so that barring Trump supporters effectively excludes Evangelicals and a majority of Catholics. This may not be their desired outcome, but perhaps they shouldn’t have tied their religious sentiment to political causes.
A slight majority of Catholics supported Biden over Trump, actually. Probably because Biden is Catholic; a slight majority supported Trump over Clinton.
I love that you mentioned the trump cult as a religious movement.
I am not a lawyer.
These signs are surely in response to the recent US Supreme Court ruling which allowed a website designer to refuse to make websites for same-sex weddings.
First, churches are religious; Trump supporters are political, and not religious. In the US, religion is a “protected class”, but political alignment is not. But traditionally, political alignment or part affiliation is not discriminated against, even if it is federall legal to do so. (Various states may have their own clauses making political alignment a protected class in certain contexts, I’m not sure.) Also important to this discussion is that sexual preference is not a protected class federally, although I know that many states have enshrined protection for sexual preference in their own state laws.
If a case were brought about discrimination against Trump supporters because of these signs, in a jurisdiction where politics was not a protected class, I should expect that that case would fail, under current law. But just like SCOTUS is highly political right now, lower courts are, too, especially lower federal courts. It’s anybody’s guess as to whether a given judge would actually adhere to existing case law.
For the religious side of these signs, it gets interesting. As above, SCOTUS has ruled that a religious business owner can discriminate against customers based on the business owner’s “religious disagreement” with a position held by the customer, presumably where that disagreement does not overlap with a protected class.
And there’s the rub. Religion is a protected class, so it should be prohibited to discriminate against someone for their religious position. This, however, really tips the scales in favor of the religious: the religious business owner can discriminate on the basis of their own religious belief, but no one can discriminate against them because of that same religious belief. To me, this seems to tread very heavily on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion …
“Congress,” in this context, has been interpreted by the courts to mean more generally “the government,” at any level. The recent SCOTUS ruling gives a religious business owner the right to discriminate on the basis of their religion, but the right of other people to discriminate against that business owner on the exact same basis remains prohibited. Again, I am not a lawyer, but that seems to be clearly in opposition to the Establishment Clause.
All of this is interesting, but none of it is cause for concern.
What is cause for concern is the foundation of Obergefell, which made same sex marriage legal in all of the US. That basis is that the only difference between opposite sex and same sex marriages is the sex of one of the people in the couple. An argument I recall from the time was that prohibiting same sex marriage is unconstitutional, because to do so would be discriminating against someone on the basis of sex - which is a protected class. However, that does not appear to have been mentioned in the court’s ruling.
No matter the reason, if it is unconstitutional to discriminate against same sex couples in the context of their getting married in the first place, it should stand to reason that it would be unconstitutional to discriminate against those same sex couples in any other context. Reason does not appear to be this court’s strong suit; they have decided that the rights of religious people to discriminate on the basis of their personal and individual beliefs “trumps” (pun intended) the rights of people (religious or not) to not be discriminated against.
This is a “canary in a coal mine” to overturn all manner of previous courts’ rulings: Obergefell (same sex marriage), Loving v Virginia (interracial marriage), Griswold (access to contraception), Lawrence v Texas (legalization of homosexuality), and certainly others.
Again, all of this seems to prioritize religion, which is in clear opposition of the Establishment Clause.
Religions are protected classes under the constitution, political groups are not. Free speech is also protected. The combination of these factors means that weather the shop keeper in OPs photo is breaking the law is entirely dependant on how you interpret the constitution, which is what the supreme court is supposed to do.
I think the shop in question could get in trouble over the church statement if they are not doing something “free speech” related, that is the only way the new ruling applies. Though what the free speech bit means is gonna depend on what the fedsoc six want, and they will steer it to the GOP always.
@Alexmitter @minimar The Supreme Court has just ruled that “expressive” businesses can discriminate against their customers. They did not pin down what “expressive” means.
The court opinion is 70 pages long, they define it multiple times. One example is: “All manner of speech—from “pictures, films, paintings, drawings, and engravings,” to “oral utterance and the printed word”—qualify for the First Amendment’s protections; no less can hold true when it comes to speech like Ms. Smith’s conveyed over the Internet”
Essentially it’s already been established that the government can’t enforce rules on what products someone makes, but can enforce who they sell that product to (not disallowing protected classes). The state of Colorado was arguing that making websites was a standard product that could be modified to be sold to anyone, while ms Smith was arguing that each website was a unique product that had freedom of speech. The only thing the court decided was that websites should be considered speech, so they fell under the same rules that have already applied to paintings and songs, instead of the rules that apply to groceries and car sales
Sure, And the employee has full freedom of speech to say what they want during that sales pitch. They can’t be required to say anything they disagree with during the sales pitch. But they are required to sell the car to a gay customer just like they would to a straight customer
If we’re looking at the pitch itself as the product though, then the employee has freedom of speech to control what’s in the sales pitch, but not who the sales pitch goes to. The court ruling allows sellers to discriminate the content of their product, not to discriminate the recipient. so they wouldn’t have to give some sort of “gay sales pitch”, but they would have to give a sales pitch to gay customers.
It’s complicated and the implications and scope are not entirely clear.
The court stated that creative works such as web design qualify as a form of speech, and that the first amendment does not allow the government to use law to force creators to speak any message — especially one with which they disagree. Essentially, any business with something that might be considered speech as its product or service may be free to discriminate against protected classes. We aren’t sure how far this will extend in practice, but I expect many will test it.
In this case of this post, it depends on what is being sold.
Edit: wrote this before my coffee and thus neglected to point out what replies said: political affiliation is not a protected class in America and these signs are a bit misleading. See replies.
Yeah, religion is a protected class, so while they can probably refuse trump supporters the sign about churches is probably illegal. If this is some type of store that makes customized products then they can refuse to customize anything in ways they don’t agree with, but it’s totally illegal to refuse service just based on who the customer is
I love this! This is amazing!
MAGA isn’t a protected class. This has always been allowed.
It is in some states.
Religion is also a protected class (re the pic)
Those signs won’t stop them because they can’t read
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Put up a No Whites signs in front of your businesses to really make some noise.
Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Pretty sure this racist, illegitimate court, knew what they were doing in ruling that religious beliefs override protected classes, including those in the Civil Rights act. The Klan is a religion after all.
oh shit, that would do it for sure. Surely race is still protected no? If not, then I can see many a store in the south going back to the days of segregation
No, it’s definitely protected.
“Religious bigots get the fuck out“
Not cool for either party.
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Because “they go low we go high” has been working sooooo well.
Playing by different rules means the fascists win.
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I feel like “no mask, no vaccination proof, no service” should make a comeback.
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Awh, is someone a little butthurt by a photo online. How sad for you, you wanna talk about it?
It’s not passive, this is very direct. I rather see this in a business than the opposite.
I think this is beyond passive lol. And this is the future the Supreme Court clearly wants 🤷♀️
