I get it as a way of making a statement that needs to be made, but I’m not a fan of countering discrimination with discrimination. Makes me wonder if something more along the lines of requiring people to make a proper|positive stand before serving them could be a better approach? In this case, for instance, “we will serve only those who will affirm that they believe that all people are valid and equal regardless of their gender identity, sexual preference, race, ethnicity, or socioeconomic status.” And, before you serve them make them acknowledge and agree to the statement.
That’s something that I could get behind.
Hypocrite
Lol not even remotely
Uh yes. Example: What was all that flak when bakery’s denied service to lesbian couples. What is next deny service to whites? Hate is going full circle, hence the hypocrisy. Shit like that is only giving ammunition to the othersides.
I don’t think you know what the word hypocrite means.
Striving for equality and acceptance by promoting hate towards others beliefs. Yes, I’d say that is hypocritical. What word would you use to describe them?
Hate the belief not the believer.
:-)
This is just code for bigotry. I don’t have the mood necessary for politely explaining it so I won’t.
Hate towards beiefs is fine, and I think you’d even agree with that. Would you agree it’s bad to believe that a subset groups of people should be removed from the world? I would hope you agree that that is a bad belief and doesn’t need to be accepted.
But it’s also missing the point. Being gay isn’t a belief, it’s just the way someone is - just like race, just like gender. It’s not a belief like a political stance is.
They’re two different things and it’s not hypocritical to treat them differently.
We did a case study on this in college. The bakery didn’t refuse service to them, they told the couple that they were more than welcome to pick any of the predesigned cakes they had, but the bakery wouldn’t make a pride specific cake.
Ok fair enough, thank you. That is not much better in regards to the bakery. It also makes this store all the worse though. Discrimination is never the answer, although many here seem to think it is. Faith in humanity is certainly not restored. Let go of the anger Padawans.
the bakery wouldn’t make a pride specific cake
LOL in other words they would not serve them.
So discrimination specifically based on a protected class.
Right I was pointing out the laughable explanation that amounts to an admission to the discrimination.
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I don’t have an issue with any of this. Private Business owners can sell their products or services to whoever they want. Don’t see what the big deal is. If you don’t like it, there’s plenty more competition willing to take your money.
Yeah, historically that didn’t work out great for everyone. There’s a reason if you open a public business in the United States you are expected to serve the public.
I don’t have an issue with any of this. Private Business owners can sell their products or services to whoever they want. Don’t see what the big deal is. If you don’t like it, there’s plenty more competition willing to take your money.
Nothing wrong with this. Their business their choice. Only time will tell if it was a good choice. depending where it is I dont think it will be. I think everyone is tired of the back and forth bs !
I defend free speech, even the shitty speech by bigoted assholes, but violating a person’s civil rights is not protected by free speech.
Once you cross the line into preventing someone from doing a thing just because of who they are, that’s no longer speech but action. And of course the rights of business owners to serve who they want to is a grey area, but that’s what we have the courts for. Unfortunately, the current SCOTUS is so heavily politicized that it seems unable to adjudicate these issues impartially.
Back and forth bs? Please define
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Maybe it will. Maybe it won’t.
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You wouldn’t take the effort to comment if you didn’t care.
Cult 45 with their red hat dunce caps is definitely not tired of the back and forth. They don’t give a shit as long as it OwNz ThE dEmZ!!!
You could always do this. But you’d be a damn idiot to antagonize half a potential customer base but … Well that’s one way to run a business.
Nowhere close to half of Americans are Trump supporters.
Even if you go by voting numbers in the only election he actually won (and even that wasn’t by popular vote), it WAS closer to ⅓, and that was SEVEN YEARS AGO. I’d wager quite a few who called themself a supporter back then have changed their minds since. They’re just not speaking up about it, and so the perception is skewed.
Well… it’s worth noting that (IIRC) a record number of people voted in the 2020 election, overall and for each major-party candidate. Are those who chose to vote for Trump not to be counted among “Trump supporters”? It was approximately (but decidedly not quite) half of voters.
Yes, but I was highlighting the disparity between “active voters” and “Americans in general”, and between them and now. Saying half of the country supports Trump simply isn’t factually true.
Now, whether people who don’t vote should even be part of the conversation is another debate, of course.
Depending on where they’re based it could be much less than half
No shoes, no shirts, no service. Also no cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Lol 😆
Half? Yeah right! Even if they were half the nation - which they aren’t - it’s gonna be like 90% in some areas and 10% in others.
I may be misinformed - but I was led to believe this is a book shop and therefore unlikely to lose many customers
🎤🫳
the potential customers that would already point their finger at you screaming “shame” if they saw you do business with people they dislike? Good riddance.
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason! :D
Especially racist sexist homophobic chud dipshit fascist bootlickers.
The more I see news about the United States the less I’m surprised
The more I see news about the United States the less I’m surprised
Bad example. The cases where businesses could refuse service to a customer were due to religious freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. Not liking Trump would not fall under that category. Not sure about the other example though.
In general though, I think this would be fine. As long as this business is not funded or supported by taxpayer money.
My personal religion requires me to refuse service to Trump supporters.
These “religious freedoms” cited are completely arbitrarily defined. Anyone can claim they have a religion with tenets that exclude specific groups of people or promote civil rights abuses. Having a religion that says “you must commit crime” does not actually give you the right within society to commit crime.
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It’s ok now because the Supreme Court just upheld that a woman who said she was asked to design a website for a gay wedding by a man “Stewart”, could discriminate and not serve him.
The fact that they tracked him down and found that he has been married to a woman for the last 15 years and the claims may be complete fiction.
The rules have changed so now the court has made discrimination not a bad thing, so the right wing will have to deal with being discriminated against if they want so badly to discriminate themselves.
This isn’t really malicious compliance. This is the very foundation of the point made by the Supreme Court. You should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Anything less than that is the government engaging in violence to force you to work.
Not just any business. The decision was specfically about what they called ‘expressive activity’ such as graphic designers, artists, speechwriters, and movie directors.
I mean - there are protected classes, right? You can’t say “no whites” or “no Jews”, I’m not a religious man - but where’s the line between a political ideology and a religious one?
Or am I totally mistaken and this is completely permitted in the states?
In the US sadly that line no longer exists
That kind of discrimination is generally illegal, even after the recent supreme court case.
What the ruling says is that some kinds of business, such as designing a website, decorating a cake, or writing a song, for example, are considered speech. In those cases the right of the designer/decorator/songwriter to control their speech takes precedence.
However, this doesn’t mean you can kick someone out of your restaurant for being Jewish or refuse to make a non-marriage related website because a client is gay. It’s only cases where speech is involved.
The difference is that you can’t choose your skin color, but you can’t choose your beliefs in a different way.
Not any reason though, the case didn’t change any of the protected classes like sex, religion, or sexual orientation. It just made it so a company can choose what “expressive work” they want to do, especially websites. So it’s legal to say you don’t want to make someone a custom website if you disagree with the contents of the website (ie a website that supports gay marriage), but it’s still illegal to refuse to make someone a website because the customer is gay. You can choose what you make, but you can’t choose who you sell it to
But I can see this embolden racists / homophobes. They are generally dumb, and will probably refuse to serve people citing this decision and will either end up in court or get away with it.
Except I’m real and their god isn’t.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Are you just disagreeing with the ruling, or something about my interpretation of it? To be clear, I’m not arguing for or against the ruling, just explaining what it means
Disagreeing with the ruling.
Important distinction.
It’s a huge difference and nobody seems to understand it.
Very important distinction.
It’d be pretty bad if hotels or restaurants started restricting access based on sex or race!
Democrats have real difficulties with “gotchas” that the people they’re “targeting” outright agree with.
Just replace “Gay” with “Black” and see how awesome it sounds.
I don’t think it’s a smart decision. I think discriminating for any reason makes business sense nor will it win you any allies, but it should be legal. Anything less than that is the government forcing you to work.
This was always legal. I’m an attorney, I do not represent any Trump supporters. If a client says something favorable about trump, they are no longer my client. They are just too stupid, judgement too poor, don’t understand difference between reality and fantasy. They make the absolute worst clients.
And they learned it from watching Trump.
…I feel like you’ve got some stories you could be sharing
This guy laws
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I mean, yeah, at that point they’re just a big fat liability.
If they’re trump supporters… they probably wouldn’t be paying you anyway.
Nah. Many of them have stumbled their way into money. Lots of trade people and small businesses, which makes up my typical clientele, others are sons and daughters of second or third generation union humps. Many grew up with one working parent being able to provide and that union parent has one or two pensions and is still hustling jobs. So, many of them can afford a lawyer. They are unfailingly whiney babies who are an awful combination of privileged existence and self agrandizement. I blame social media for validating their most half-baked ideas and emotional reactions.
I’m sure they can afford a lawyer. I was more referring to the link between being a Trump supporter and Trump’s own … habit of not paying his lawyers.
trump griftes any monies left
I’m not sure about discrimination against customers based on ideology, but I’m pretty sure you can’t discriminate against customers based on protected class (sex, race, orientation, etc.) What this supreme court case does (IIUC) is that companies are now allowed to not provide services to protected classes if those services constitute speech. So if you are a restaurant owner, or a hotel, you still can’t refuse a gay couple, if you are a cake designer, you can’t refuse to make a cake, but you can refuse to do anything remotely gay-related to that cake, if you are a web designer, you can refuse to make something altogether because the government can’t restrict or compel speech (and graphic design is speech).
Money is speech, right? Does that make the ramifications of this decision go a lot farther? I don’t see how yet, but it seems like this ruling may have broad impacts when people start getting creative with it…
money is speech, right?
I mean, they do say that “money talks” and last time I checked, talking is a form of speech.
Bold assuming the corrupted six ever used anything close to consistency to inform their rulings.
I mean, there’s one thing that’s pretty consistent: they’ll do whatever their wealthy backers want them to do.
This is a problem with the US legal system. Every decision is a precedent, no matter how specific it is.
Well, Roe v Wade set a precedent, which was then reverted ~50 years later, so I’m not sure how much precedents apply to the supreme court (it definitely applies to lower courts tho)
This is how common law everywhere that England colonized works. It’s not endemic to the US.
The problem is it is vague imo. Baking a cake could be speech to this court
I think that was the majority opinion’s goal, they think the line between what is speech and what isn’t should be spelled out more minutely with more legal precedent rather than what we had before where all speech in relation to selling a service was regulated under anti-discrimination statutes.
Baking the cake is definitely not speech ( although I appreciate your point about this Court interpreting it that way).
However, decorating the cake could reasonably be construed as speech, especially if there is text, logos, etc in the decoration.
Gotcha, yeah I agree. I personally don’t think a website designer building something for a client is either. But we live in a dystopia right now. Hope you are doing well this evening.
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inb4 get woke go broke, rip their business. not a good look in the bud light era
Who the fuck even cares about bud light? Are you twelve?
Inbev did well out of it either way, the Bud Lite boycotters were idiots for this reason alone.
BudLight was pandering and got called on it by everyone that was paying attention. “Go woke, go broke” is clearly not a trend, just look at Twitter and Elon doing the opposite and losing fuckloads of money.
Plus 2 things
One, they specifically called their main customers assholes, essentially. Not sure what they were expecting
And two, the product is the worst beer out there. Boycotting was a gift they can easily keep going. They’re missing nothing by switching to another
