This is the stupidest use of this stupid meme with this stupid piece of shit that I’ve ever seen
Matrix or Signal only for me. nobody uses Whatsapp here in the states, sms is simply insecure in every way, and telegram has very suspicious roots imo, along with a lack of e2ee and a terrible ui.
signal is the most secure option and matrix is federated making it the most “open” option.
Steven Crowder is the wife abuser of the meme world.
Eh, whatsapp isn’t ideal and its owner is one of the big devils of today, but it’s the only way to send and receive instant messages among billions of people. I despise it, but it’s the only way I can contact people. Needless to say, they don’t give a single flying fuck about privacy.
Whatsapp outages make people migrate to Telegram for 1-2 days at most, nobody ends up staying there. Signal? I’ve only ever met three other people in RL who have even heard of it, and I work in IT.
A more apt comparison would be to languages. Whatsapp is english: clunky, weird, full of nonsense, but it’s what “everyone talks”. Signal would probably be lojban or esperanto.
Its privacy is very questionable, but how is it outdated?
Telegram laughs in the corner Whatsapp is copying telegram features that are implemented years before
Yeah telegram may be better but the amount of people who use it is very few, the only people I know uses telegram is for porn or download movies and song, not for messaging. In the actual state telegram doesn’t worth it because probably you circle of friends doesn’t use it. Of course this is the case of my friends and my country (Colombia) where it’s more probably find one to use WhatsApp than telegram
It’s copying features that hangouts has abandon.
Sorry, I don’t have Twitter, I tried opening the profile, but it keeps blocking me, even Nitter and Squawker don’t work
Edit: uhh, why did you edit out asking me to look up Telegram X’s Twitter profile? Now I look dumb lol
Telegram is a superior messaging app but it’s privacy is questionable. The fact that they keep their encryption protocol hidden is bothersome and they aren’t e2ee by default. And as stated before, it’s not certain their e2ee is as private as they claim.
IIRC they did publish their encryption protocol, at least a lot of information about it is here. It’s true E2EE is not enabled by default.
In the end, both encryption protocols are hidden. We can’t really be sure they use what they say they are using in both cases.
TG has become a very big source of Piracy in recent years.
People only use TG for that mostly at this point.
How is the privacy questionable?
It’s one of the more secure clients. It has E2E across everything: DMs, Group chats, phone calls, video calls and all.
In contrast, Telegram, which is often championed doesn’t even support E2E for group chats. Laughable.
Yes, Whatsapp does some on-device analytics for advertising purposes, but your message is always E2E encrypted before sending.
They had multiple 3P audits to prove it.
Some delusional people use Facebook messenger instead claiming both are FB anyway. NO. FB messenger doesn’t have any encryption. Your messages are stored in plain text.
Yes, Signal and Matrix etc. are better, but no one is using them and that goes against the very idea of communication.
I know that they allegedly use the Signal proctol, but I find it hard to trust since not even the client is open source, even if their protocol is what they say it is, the keys could be harvested without issue, which is probably what happens when you use the reporting feature that allows them to read a piece of the message history, and they could still log your text input while typing. Of course, no way to verify neither their claims nor our theories.
#but no one is using them
Agreed, I did convince a fair few people, but it’s not always easy
I agree 100% with you. Whatscrapp is just a proprietary user subjugating version of XMPP. I prefer to communicate using xmpp protocol because it’s federated like fediverse. You can use conversation for android
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Wait until you hear how many people use facebook messenger.
I do have like 2 people I only talk to once or twice a year that I don’t have any other known contact for. But I only use it very rarely because of that. If I ever stop talking to them, I’ll finally delete the whole account.
I’ll take facebook messenger over whatsapp any day. At least it works on PC and has third party clients
Yeah, that’s the real “internet explorer of messaging services”. Absolutely sucks to use it (doesn’t even.deliver messages to me half the time), but 90% insist on it for chat groupa and such.
Basically all of Scandinavia
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#TelegramMasterRace
Bruh, seriously?
What do you have against it?
Unencrypted by default, dubious e2e encryption, proprietary backend, based in Russia and later Saudi Arabia (if I’m not mistaken), which aren’t really known for their good stance on privacy.
It’s featureful, so it’s fine if you don’t really care for the privacy of the conversations you’re having in there, otherwise you have way better applications/protocols out thereI’m pretty sure it’s used exclusively by flat earthers and antivaxxers
Everytime one of my phone contacts signs up to telegram, they are either tech guys/girls or conspiracy theorists.
Yea people here aren’t a big fan of Telegram sometimes but it’s still much more privacy oriented than most main-stream messengers, and it’s just a very well-made app
It’s fast, supports uncompressed file sending, can log in on multiple phones at once, has cute stickers, customizable appearance, etc
I’ve somehow never used WhatsApp.
You must not be from Europe or Brazil then
pls send help
Oh, that recruitment agent sometime ago.
Are you using facebook?
No
Whatsapp?
No
Xing?
No
…
Hey, just send me an E-Mail.
Gigachad.
I on the other hand was actually pleasantly surprised when I got contacted by a recruiter on Matrix , that was the best feeling ever
You don’t want their help if they are from the US.
US heavily uses SMS still.
No privacy at all.
That means the government has full access to all your messages.
Whatsapp on the other hand has E2E for everything.
It was just a joke phrase, but yeah fuck SMS, didn’t know it’s so commonplace in the US
Me too
Same. I hate all these messaging apps people use. Unless you need security, then just use the one your phone already has. Otherwise use signal.
Signal is centralized and requires a phone number. This is potentially impactful to your anonymity. So, for example if the recipients device is comprised that encryption doesn’t mean much and you may be identifiable.
All that said, I use Signal. But it’s good to know it’s shortcomings.
Edit: added potentially. You could certainly have a number not associated with your identity.
anonymity, privacy, and security are not inclusive of the other and anonymity is not in scope of signal. SimpleX would be a better option if that’s your goal, although being in beta still, I can’t fully recommend it
How though
Surely it can’t be so popular it’s inconceivable to you that someone hasn’t used it.
If you live in most of Europe or definitely Latin America, yeah, it is so popular it’s kind of inconceivable not to use it, or at least hard to imagine. I genuinely don’t understand how people in the US communicate.
You text someone. What’re you talking about?
I’ve used SMS exactly 3 times in my life, all 10+ years ago. My phone plan doesn’t even include SMS anymore. It boggles my mind that people use SMS in the US, and I mean that seriously.
If you send an SMS in Europe, you get no answer most of the time
All the better
It is. To stay in contact with anyone you need whatsapp.
Well I’m glad that isn’t happening here, because I would just have to miss everything.
No idea. It’s just not a platform anyone in my life has used in a manner that dragged me in.
Cool
Two letters. US.
They use SMS still.
Unless everyone they know has iPhones.
Then it’s iMessage.
I wish I could say the same but if you want to date you have to here. I despise and absolutely hate how you have to you use a phone number to register. And then every contact you have can add you to a group so everyone there now can have your number.
I’ve had a stalker before and I hate that stuff like that makes it trivially easy for her to get my number again. I literally can’t understand how women are okay with absolutely shitty systems like this. I really can’t repeat enough how much I strongly hate WhatsApp and how everyone else thinks it’s so good for exactly the reason that I hate it. It’s too easy to send messages despite me never giving you my number to begin with. SMS is the same but you can’t add me to a group without my permission and share my number with a group of people I don’t know.
SMS is IE, Whatsapp is Chrome, and Signal is Firefox. Use Signal/Firefox.
I disagree. IE was incredibly proprietary, and SMS is at least an open standard.
IE is…idk Facebook messenger or Imessage or something.
ICQ
Ahh Trillian and Miranda memories…
So how do I get my friends to use Signal instead of fucking Facebook messenger?
You can educate them if they ask but otherwise you can’t force them because most people are very resistant to this type of thing.
Your best option is to stop using FB messenger yourself and tell them they can reach you on Signal. If they’re really your friends, I’d like to imagine they’d follow you over. If your friend group switches, more people are sure to follow which will help speed along mass adoption and normalization via word of mouth to other friends and family.
What is Beeper/Matrix? Although I’m from the golden age of Trillian/MirandaIM 😆
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signal and telegram are so much better, don’t know why we can’t get over that shit app
Op thinks only the USA exists apparently
WhatsApp is usually 2 years behind Telegram for all cool and interesting features.
WhatsApp seems very conservative with adding new features. I generally feel the features they do decide to add are all pretty useful. Telegram on the other hand doesn’t ever seem to slow down with the new features. Many of them seem great, but just as many I would never use. I’m still wondering why Telegram won’t introduce end-to-end encryption as a default.
