What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don’t believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
These people treat knowable medical information the way that people a decade or so ago used to treat stories about ghosts or being abducted by aliens.
We all know that’s total bullshit because Mel Gibson has no friends.
He’s rich, he can afford to buy them.
Pft he couldn’t even afford private firefighters
We all know that’s bullshit because Mel Gibson.
Well the blue color actually proved valuable in spinal reconstruction. (AFAIK)
I can believe that, but thinking a thing that’s helpful in spinal surgery then taking it when you have the cancer is… it’s pretty fucking dumb. Like… penicillin has saved my life about 5 different times because I have had chronic pneumonia, but I’m not about to down it if my leg breaks. These aren’t similar issues.
Huh. Apparently it’s been found seemingly helpful with pain management, trauma reduction, disinfection, cleaning, and tumor detection when used as a dye. I wasn’t thorough so I didn’t find anything about spinal reconstruction specifically but its use is probably related in one of these ways in some procedures. So TIL.
Still not a cancer-killer. Sorry, Mel!
Sorry, Mel!
I’m not sorry about anything that happens to that bigoted fucker.
It’s also used as a topical antibacterial agent in wound care (source: am wound care nurse), but ya, not cancer.
TL;DR: When injected intravenously, it prevents surrounding tissue damage by preventing the flood of ATP from binding to neighbor cell “death receptors”. It replaces oxidized ATP that needed to be injected directly on the injured spine and had other side effects. At one cost: temporarily turning turning your skin blue. Neat!
…ah yes that new Korean song is all the rage!
A-T-P ATP ATP ATP ATP! Don’t you want me like I want you baby! Don’t you need me like I need you now!
Yeah! That’s what immediately came to mind when I first heard the song because in Spanish it’s APT and I used to love biochem many years ago. lol
E: Apparently my dyslexia got the best of me and it’s also ATP in Spanish and I’m misremembering.
Okay, en eapañol!
Don chu wan me laik Hay wan chu beibe! Don chu nid me laik Hay nid yu nau!
Aplausos!
Wet brain is a thing people. Drink in moderation.
That reminds me of some obscure bit of dialogue in some scifi show or something, where someone tries to insult another person by something but then they’re not offended, just autistically go “brains are supposed to be wet” for something.
Ugh it’s not wet though but something along those lines. Ugh this is gonna bother me all day
Edit only took 5 hours, wasn’t scifi. My brain is soft and wet.| Brooklyn Nine-Nine RIP Andre Braughr
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Thank for commenting I would not have come back otherwise and now I remembered it.
My brain is soft and wet.| Brooklyn Nine-Nine RIP Andre Braughr
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You know what, let them take advice from a twitching old man with obvious mental issues and dumbass who’s high all the time. If you’re dumb enough to take that shit, you’ll beat cancer to the finish line alright. The gene pool may slightly improve, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
What’s up with Mel? Does he have Parkinson’s or something similar? Or is he just strung out on cocaine? He was insanely, constantly twitchy the whole interview.
Drugs
Probably something to do with all that ivermectin.
And the crazy Catholic-offshoot cult he’s in.
Cocaine
Sadly he’s on a late stadium of being a cunt
I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.
Pushing an agenda usually has that effect
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See, it’s more natural since horses are natural and it’s used on them.
Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson’s house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn’t see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn’t trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can’t put my finger on it.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just… He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don’t respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
I haven’t in decades, but maybe I’d understand if I did nowadays.
I’m not talking about the characters he plays though. Just the way he carries himself and how he looks at women and shit. Like, it’s just giving “brother, eww”. Can’t fully put my finger on it.
When numbnuts have no power in society, it’s often dismissed as a fool’s errand to try to counter their crazy claims. But I think we all need to be countering the crazy at all times, not just when the biggest crazies are enjoying power and reach. Otherwise, we get Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson talking about curing terminal cancer with animal dewormer and Donald Trump winning a second term and appointing RFK Jr. to delete vaccines from history.
Horse/barn door situation, but still. It can always get worse.
There were so many calls to “Let Mel come back,” promising that his outbursts weren’t a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don’t believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn’t done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can’t come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
tribe of fuck wads
You realize you’re talking about 80 million people?
Wait is your issue with the word fuck wads or that amount of people being described as a tribe?
Amount of people. Too big to be a “tribe”
What’s the cutoff?
100 people.
What’s your point? Antivaxxers are fuckwits who are trying to kill the innocent. They’d dispute that, but they don’t even understand how vaccines work, so what chance could they have of understanding cause and effect generally? And therefore, why should anyone give a shit what they have to say or what they think?
80million gullible dipshits can still qualify as a ‘tribe’.
80 million people are Mel Gibson fans? How would anyone quantify that. I’m confused what this number refers to.
80 million fuckwads voted for trump
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And what about that number makes them right?
Nothing. I simply phrased it wrong.
Exactly what I was thinking of. 🤣
That’s his god fucking him up
Don’t get too excited, there’s insurance for houses
But it’s a huge inconvenience to him at best anyways
I just hope insurance is one of the many things he doesn’t believe in
As if he only has one house
Just FYI, ivermectin is also a human dewormer, ir is very used in poor countries like here, Brazil
Everytime I hear it introduced as “horse dewormer”. The bias is already made clear.
While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can’t do jack shit against cancer… So is OP for acting like it’s not safe for human consumption. It’s safe for consumption even at 10x a “normal” dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg… or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).
IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987
It’s 100% safe… and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.
Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838
TL;DR… While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it… It’s safe for consumption as a general rule.
Safety’s a good thing, but efficacy is what’s really needed. And it has been proven to have no efficacy for the conditions it is being hyped for. Absolutely none.
Eating rice pudding is safe too. It’s not an effective treatment for covid either.
What’s not safe is when someone fails to resort to an effective treatment because they’re instead fooled into using one that does nothing. And that’s what’s happening with ivermectin.
What’s not safe is when someone fails to resort to an effective treatment because they’re instead fooled into using one that does nothing. And that’s what’s happening with Ivermectin.
Cool, then piss on the people that make the call for the ineffective treatment. Not the perfectly useful drug that is in public domain and saved millions (many millions) of lives with 3.7 Billion doses consumed.
Edit: If a COVID denier told you to just drink water and you’ll get over it. Would you then turn around and call water “horse hydrating water” for the rest of your life? Do you not see how 1) absolutely stupid you’d look and 2) that you’re attempting to put down water by saying it? Even though it’s literally required to keep you alive?
While Ivermectin isn’t “required” to live… for many it’s the only answer. Now they’ll be stigmatized for no fucking reason other than this constant fucking rant of “horse dewormer”. At this point I don’t doubt that someone has turned down a legitimate use of Ivermectin over this shit, probably had to go for an alternative drug that is not in the public domain and paid some pharma company boatloads to do it. So like I’ve said probably a dozen times at this point. Piss on the people making the shit claim. Not the perfectly valid drugs that have very valuable purposes.
Nothing is 100% safe, with the curious exception of ultrasound which is considered 100% safe.
Edit: obviously don’t take medical advice from trump or any other idiot, go to the doctor, take your vaccines and keep calm when sick.
I don’t think it’d be very safe to consume an ultrasound. Sounds like a lot of metal and plastic leading to intestinal blockages at best.
Bud they’re tricking idiots who need actual medicine into taking something that won’t help, and that gets people killed.
People who take medical advice from Trump and Mel Gibson would have been eaten by the Lion anyways.
And lying by stating its for horses in a manner that makes someone assume it’s not for humans at all resolves what?
Because all the people taking it for COVID (and probably trying to cure cancer) were not getting it from the doctor. They were getting it from Farm supply stores . Everyone was calling it horse dewormer because that’s what it was. They were not going to get a prescription. I know because I live amongst these dummies that were asking on Facebook which one to get from the farm supply, what flavor was best, etc.
First you’re going to have to define “they”. The people that I unfortunately live around are part of this “they” group with your implied “all the people taking it for COVID” definition. All of them simply got the pills from Mexico, where you can walk into any farmacia and pick up boxes upon boxes of the stuff for like 1$ per pill. They’re setup for this down there… and talking to them when I was last there nearly 100% of their purchases come from the USA. And just like you, I can link a store, even several!
https://medsmex.com.mx/store/stromectol-ivexterm-ivermectin-6-mg-4-tabs/p-4734.html
https://arecovpharma.com/medications/products-covid-19
https://mexipharmacy.mx/eng/item/3686/veridex-ivermectin-4tab-6mgThis is way more common than your nonsense “well people are ordering from the farm supply store!”
I think either one of two things… You’ve fallen for a troll with your “dummies on Facebook”, or you’re lying, unknowingly or otherwise, in your claim that this is how “everyone” was getting it.
Once again (because it’s apparent that at least half of lemmy is incapable of reading based on the downvotes), I’m not stupid enough to think that Ivermectin does anything useful for COVID-19. But just because you saw 1-2 people on Facebook say something completely fucking dumb doesn’t mean that the whole of people taking the drug are doing it that way, or that the normal non-horse paste version of the medicine is hard to get a hold of. This is literally one of the most by dosage consumed medications of the planet. Very few people are taking the horse paste version of this thing when the pills are so readily available.
And even then… EVEN THEN, so what? Let the idiots eat their horse paste. Hopefully they choke on the filler and society becomes smarter for it… The drug itself is shown to be safe (though ineffective for what they’re hoping for). One of the links I posted previously showed no ill effects for up to 3000μg/kg (which only tested that high… not that it wouldn’t be safe at higher dosages). That paste you linked? is 200 μg/kg for it’s target 1250 horse. So for a 200lb human is 1250μg/kg. Well within “safe” tolerances, assuming they’re eating the whole damn tube. Laugh at them for being stupid sure, but I don’t see where ivermectin as one of the cheapest most taken drugs on the planet needs to garner a bad wrap from this. It’s saved boatloads of lives over it’s ~50 years in service now. It’s not “horse” dewormer. It as a drug is good for just about any parasite removal in just about ANY living animal… of which humans are indeed animals.
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It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first. You know, humans don’t get many worms where the drug was invented and made. It’s like, some adults wear diapers, but when someone says diapers the user you picture is a baby. You say Ivermectin, and anyone that knows anything about it thinks horses. It’s used by vets more than doctors. It’s available, I believe, over the counter, at farm supply stores. Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
Sometimes public ridicule is an appropriate remedy when social conduct is harmful yet not illegal.
In context, Mary Mallon was medically quarantined against her will, for life, because she refused to stop knowingly spreading disease. She broke the social contract. The social contract requires basic personal hygiene. The horse paste people anti-mask types are breaking the contract; they waste medication, they take up medical resources, and they knowingly spread disease. The same people take huge dumps and then don’t wash their hands.
And now, some Shakespeare:
“All the contagion of the south light on you, You shames of Rome! you herd of–boils and plagues. Plaster you o’er, that you may be abhorr’d. [Now go], further than [can be] seen, and one infect another, [and then go] against the wind [another] mile!”
It’s used by vets more than doctors.
It is only in the sense that third-world countries that rely on it just freely give it out rather than making it prescribed. Case and point being that it’s freely available in Mexico, as linked above.
Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
US only accounts for ~350 million of the many BILLIONS of people on the planet. We’re talking about a drug that has been taken by BILLIONS and you can’t shut the fuck up about the 350 million Americans?
It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first.
Initial research RELEASED the drugs for animals first… Mostly because it’s easier to get approval for animal drugs than human drugs.
However, this drug has been trialed to humans since ~1980 (Animals is credited as “late 70’s”, but “was initially introduced as a commercial product for Animal Health in 1981”). So really no difference in timelines here comparatively… But you go ahead and keep lying about shit. If your qualifier that it’s “animal first” is that it was trialed in animals mere months before it was trialed in humans, then sure, you’re right. But I’m taking issue with that. That’s bullshit and you should know it. And yes, it’s also normal for human trials to last much longer than animal ones. Thus why it was on trials for years.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
So once again… kindly fuck off with the lying about the medicine. You’re better than that.
Berate the moron, not the functional medicine.
Why are you so invested in defending the reputation of ivermectin as a parasite treatment? That’s not what anyone else is discussing here.
The reality remains that, if an ineffective treatment is used in place of an effective treatment, people are going to get sick and often die. And whether it’s effective for some other use is irrelevant.
That’s not what anyone else is discussing here.
Sorry. But I’m not interested in talking to someone who claims “that’s not what were talking about” when that’s literally the core part of the discussion as started by OP.
so you think Mel Gibson‘s friends got their ivermectin from a farm supply store?
I don’t think Mel Gibson has any friends.
Possibly, but probably from one of those dodgy Hollywood doctors who will prescribe anything they want.
It’s very likely off-label use, so maybe.
So, methylene blue can be used as a fabric dye; it can also be used as ink for temporary or permanent tattoos. However, medically, it’s used in the treatment of methemoglobinemia, as a urinary analgesic, anti-infective, and anti-spasmodic agent, or in endoscopy as a gastrointestinal dye, and can also be used as a rescue antidote in life threatening poisonings causing refractory shock states and other shock states.
While I sincerely doubt anyone’s state IV cancer has been cured by methylene blue, dismissing it as “a fabric dye” is wrongfully dismissive of it’s actual medical uses.
We need to get Joe Rogan to think the key to eternal youth is uranium glass butt plugs
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