• @[email protected]
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    Why is there so much political messaging right now

    Fuck off with all the democracy doomsday posting, I just want to see funny memes

    • Count Regal Inkwell
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      Just the usual Americans thinking the world revolves around them and we should all accommodate their derangement.

      God forbid a foreigner talk about anything though.

  • @[email protected]
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    Good luck criticizing a user’s choice of platform hoping to get them to leave. I’m just happy to see one less corporate platform.

    “You really shouldn’t jump rope on the train tracks. It’s not safe.”

    “What’s not safe about jumping rope? Everybody jump’s rope.”

    “It’s not jumping rope that’s the problem, it’s the train tracks.”

    “I think I’m smart enough to know if a train is coming. It’s not like the train is coming for me specifically. I’m not that important. I don’t have anything valuable enough for the train to take from me anyw-“ splat

  • Dr. Moose
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    225 months ago

    Except they’ve banned 1 source for appeasement rather than enact a strong law or policy for long-term safety.

  • Count Regal Inkwell
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    Blah blah blah “we built our own great firewall and painted it red white and blue, and even banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites which even China doesn’t do. We’re totally the good guys BTW.”

    Americans are so fucking stupid, oh my god.

    @EDIT: So it turns out the RESTRICT Act, that I was thinking of, and which banned VPNs, was shot down. And the current and approved Tiktok ban law doesn’t do that. So. My b. This one is on me. I stand by “Americans are so fucking stupid oh my god”, though, because you’re still cheering for loss of net liberty.

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        I did, but then I realised I’m wrong about the VPN thing.

        I was thinking of the RESTRICT act from 2023, which did ban the usage of VPNs (and was the “Original” Tiktok ban law)

        Apparently in the year and change I spent not really caring (look, this is an American problem, y’all slam your metaphorical penises in the car door at least three times a day. And I have my own country’s dick-slammings to care about. I only hear about it when it’s particularly egregious or when I see a meme like this that is cheering for the dick-slamming) the RESTRICT act got shot down, and another one was quickly drafted.

        The one that was approved does not ban VPNs. So. That’s on me. My b.

        Anyway, given y’all are under Trump’s thumb now, I give it eeeeh six months before RESTRICT 2: Censorship Boogaloo starts making the rounds.

      • @[email protected]
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        255 months ago

        Actually fight against that rather than pretending too, Israel and Russia have destroyed the US from within far more than China… Maybe tackle the active objective threats rather than potential ones

        • Count Regal Inkwell
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          Russia is a menace to US’s peasantry, as they might drag the US to a(nother) proxy war.

          Whereas China is a menace to the US’s aristocracy, in the sense that China is currently richer than the US of A, and despite thousands of articles about how “CHINA’S ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE TOMORROW!” for the past 15 years, it has yet to happen.

          Ergo, the US government won’t do shit about Russia, but will bend over backwards for anything related to China.

      • @[email protected]
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        55 months ago

        Non Americans do that all the time, exceept we have at least one more choice than americans.

      • Count Regal Inkwell
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        Actual regulations on data privacy and algorithmic manipulation. It’s not that complicated. The EU figured it out. Fuck me, my own country, Brazil, a third world hellhole, figured it out. We have very strict rules on data protection.

        Ofc, this would never happen because 1. Big corpos own the US government and actual regulation on privacy would hurt THEM, and 2. The US Government actually WANTS algorithmic manipulation to happen, except they want THEIR algorithmic manipulation and not anyone else’s.

      • @[email protected]
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        65 months ago

        The US is doing it just fine on our own.

        Hell, an election here just voted in fascism like its the 1920s again.

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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      75 months ago

      and even banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites

      Who is “we” in this context? VPNs are certainly not banned in the United States.

    • @[email protected]
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      banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites which even China doesn’t do

      What are you talking about? The GFC tries its absolute best to block VPNs and other circumvention methods.

    • @[email protected]
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      Americans are so fucking stupid oh my god

      Coming from someone who confidently believed a law that didn’t exist was in effect, these words are a bit flat.

      Better words would be “people in general are so fucking stupid”, and you are not immune to that.

    • @[email protected]
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      as an American yeah, seeing this post is just depressing. like people are actively cheering a loss of internet freedom. the government doesn’t care about bytedance or else capcut would have to go too. they care about controlling information, tiktok has been essential in issues like Palestine, even if I don’t like the platform itself I can admit that.

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        I think the idea of the government banning entire websites (or really any information in general) is horrifying. The fact that so many people in America seem to be enthusiastic or at least indifferent to new forms of government censorship shows how far along we are to complete fascism. Information is meant to be free, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The fact that’s we’re having these conversations is disgusting.

      • @[email protected]
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        155 months ago

        Also 100% clear that facebook, google, twitter… are all doing the same but for US intelligence

  • crossdl
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    55 months ago

    The interest your domestic and foreign corporate social media platforms have in you are VASTLY different. It’s naive to equivocate them. Yes, TikTok should get “banned”, which will just be pulling the app from the app store and likely still available as a web app maybe through a VPN. They’re just going to create more friction in getting access.

    Instead of advocating for spyware, perhaps we should be highlighting open alternatives?

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      You’re on the Fediverse. Most of the people here are already actively avoiding Facebook and Xitter. Unfortunately, getting the US, EU, etc. to ban American propaspyware companies is, uh, extremely unlikely. China, however, has banned them long ago, which is why I don’t see why people think it’s hypocritical of the US government to ban Chinese social media.

      • Zement
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        Try saying negative stuff about China on .ml I doubt that they are not completely undermined by the Chinese intelligence. (They delete every post critical about china).

        So being vigilant is the only way to avoid getting manipulated.

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          .ml might just be useful idiots tbh. But I remember speedrunning an /r/sino ban and that took me all of 1 minute, with a comment that wasn’t even critical about China. It was a thread about how it’s awesome that the west can’t live without China for 5G connectivity and I said that “maybe it isn’t all that great that an entire industry has been entirely centralized to one country” just to see if an absolutely lukewarm take would get banned. It did.

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            Yeah, it’s strange. Like even slight criticism. I mean that’s okay, but what about actual constructive discussions? None!

            If you are not allowed to criticize a system, that system is inheritly flawed. But that’s my personal take on this.

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        Not sure that it’s “most” anymore. Propaganda huffers realized there was more new land to destroy / minds to influence & they had to come settle here too

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        But they claim that China banning the apps is authoritarian. The hypocrisy isnt in banning the app, it’s in their claims about motivation to do so.

        • @[email protected]
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          Yea but we’re not getting anywhere with “tolerance 100%”

          The Chinese government is a tyrannical undemocratic dictatorship and I’m OK with not tolerating them or their propaganda wing.

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            The Chinese American government is a tyrannical undemocratic dictatorship and I’m OK with not tolerating them or their propaganda wing.

            Fixed that for you.

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            Have you tried actually comparing the content on Tiktok vs other social networks? Or are you just regurgitating some talking point?

            From the few years I’ve been on Tiktok, it is by far the least toxic and bigoted social network I’ve seen, Lemmy included.
            I’m no fan of China, but if we’re considering “being less bigoted” to be commie propaganda, then we need to take a look in the mirror. Absolutely throwing the baby out with the bath water here

    • @[email protected]
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      Yes, and that’s why US companies aren’t banned by the US. The foreign power having so much propaganda power was the danger.

      • @[email protected]
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        If I wanna get my propaganda from more than one world power, that’s my right under the first amendment. Or it was.

      • @[email protected]
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        Same reason why China bans a shitload of sites. It’s fine when you do it to your own citizens

      • @[email protected]
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        So if an American company collects user data and sells it on the open market to a hostile foreign nation, and accepts money to run propaganda, that’s A-OK?

        • @[email protected]
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          That capitalism baby! I suppose Congress can at least control who Facebook et al. are selling to through sanctions and such.

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              I’m not sure what race has to do with economic protectionism, but it’s really a combination of all of the above.

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      That last part is becoming less and less relevant … someone is spying but it isn’t for the benefit or under the control of a country. More and more, the spying is meant more for the purposes of commerce and finance, for money and control. For business interests which is what major governments mainly represent.

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        At this point, the line between business and government in the US is almost non-existent, so definitely still a government using your data for the propaganda machine.

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          165 months ago

          Reminds of my favourite description of the US …

          “The US isn’t a country, it’s a corporation with a military”

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        And it doesn’t matter who or why, either - as soon as someone hoards other people’s data, someone else will try to steal it.

    • @[email protected]
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      135 months ago

      if Vine was still here (let alone brought back) it would become just as bad as TikTok. Social medias can have their golden age but they will inevitably turn into shit, vine was simply shut down before its golden age came to an end

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        I always thought Vine was so stupid and pointless, but I thought the same thing about Twitter and it sold for $44 billion dollars, so what do I know? I miss the old Internet when content was more than a blurb, and conversations were deep and meaningful.

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            It sold for $44 billion dollars, so it was definitely worth that to the people who cashed the check. It doesn’t matter what we think it was worth, that’s how enormous their payday was. Motherfuck, I should have coded that shit back in the day!

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    Can someone explain to me how it’s worse for a foreign government to have your information than your own government having that same information? Your own government is far more likely to actually be able to do something about you.

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    There is sooooo much weird conspiracy shit in these comments. The government is banning TikTok becuase they collect too much data and the Chinese government could eaisly get access to all of it. The correct thing to do would be to regulate data collection but that would be problematic for Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple…etc etc… so instead they just ban TikTok. All this TikTok refusing to spread deep state US govt propaganda horse shit is a bit past nuts.

  • Cruxifux
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    Americans complaining about other countries meddling in their affairs is such a hilarious hypocrisy. You guys have been the worst for ruining other countries around the world.