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We may have discovered gender entropy, Shannon would be proud
Gender is not a boolean value, it’s a variable.
And liable to type conversion errors and precision loss.
Jesus, why’d you have to bring floating point and machine precision into the conversation? Now I won’t sleep. And the nightmares will be worse than before.
A boolean variable?
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const gender👉
var genderkhm, khm
let genderplease don’t use deprecated syntax
But that’s immutable 🦀
May be gdscript
My gender is e, which can be represented by neither integers nor floating points.
Always approximated, never truly represented 😞
No taxation without approximation!
Unless your encoding has a special value that, by definition, is euler’s constant :p
Good point. Specifically code point U+2107 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ℇ
Ah so ur gender can be represented in UTF 8.
Everything can be represented approximatively.
e = π = 3
There are
10kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don’t.every base is base
10There are
10kinds of people in this world. Those who get ternary; those who don’t; those who thought this was going to be a binary jokeThere are
10kinds of people in this world. Those who get quaternary; those who don’t; those who thought this was going to be a ternary joke; those who can see where this is going…I might be a slow learner but I’m catching on…
ah I see, you are the 10th kind!
Regardless of what base you’re using, 10 is always the nth number. In base 10 (normal numbers), 10 is 10th. In base 2 it is the 2nd.
- 1
- 10
- 11
In base 16 (hexadecimal) it is the 16th.
- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
- 5
- 6
- 7
- 8
- 9
- A
- B
- C
- D
- E
- F
- 10
The original joke is “there are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don’t l” because 10 in binary is 2 in base 10. But they’re pointing out that a similar joke works for all bases of numbers.
Some of us would argue 10 is the n+1 th number because zero comes first. Otherwise you’re just throwing a new digit into the mix when you get to 10.
Zero comes zeroth.
I love that you felt like this needed explaining - thanks!
There are n types of people in this world: Those who don’t understand numeral systems, those who understand base x systems for x ∈ [2, n] and those who get pedantic about this meta-joke.
And what are the other e?
Ayyyyy wanna smash bros?
Mine is #1B4D3E
So many other things are also non-binary, but people insist that not being 100% on their side means you’re a million percent on the extreme opposite hateful wrong side.
Absolutely. My baseline is that I want everyone to be treated equally and with respect. I want everyone have the same protections from the government and everyone to be allowed to be and to love whoever they want.
Past that, it gets into minutia I just can’t get on board with and it’s hurting the left as a whole because people are trying to force language and thought policing on people, which I don’t like, it’s authoritarian, and I think it’s a losing strategy.
It’s been said that indecisiveness and perfectionism are liberal weaknesses, and decisiveness and being willing to ignore imperfections for the sake of the team are conservative strengths. I think Michael Moore put it best… Liberals say, “What should we do about dinner? I don’t know… do you want to go out? I dunno, do you? Well, if you do. Okay, where should we go? I dunno, where do you wanna go?” A conservative slams his hand on the table and says, “Get in the car, we’re goin’ to the Sizzler!”
A lot of the userbase here thinks this way and it’s very tiresome
No Y = 0
Presence of Y = 1
Looks like you can express it with binary if you want, though you would need an interpreter
That’s a chromosome you encoded there which is one of a few markers that define sex, not gender.
Same thing
It’s meaningless to who the individual is, unless you’re a conservative that believes playing with dolls or wearing makeup makes you a girl but then I don’t care for your opinion
Yes, chromosomes are meaningless to who someone is (except edge-cases).
No, sex and gender aren’t the same.
Imagine confusing gender and sex in 2025
Imagine enforcing gender roles by treating them as separate things
We could do laps on this all day. In the end if a trans person says they’re trans and this is what it means to them, I’ll take them at their word.
Of course we’re taking people’s words for it
It would be weird to force people to do a genetic test every time they meet someone new
That’s not relevant to the discussion
Least sensible discussion I’ve been in in a while
Suit yourself bigot
except that genetics isn’t that simple, there’s many many things that go into structuring your body. Even biological sex isn’t binary, there’s plenty of overlap. People can literally be born with both sets of genitals afaik.
That’s already accounted for in my example
You can have a partial Y chromosome or transfer of Y genes to the X chromosome during meiosis which can result in a person with both sets of sex organs, or more rarely, no sex organs at all. Even genetic sex cannot be accurately represented as one bit (let alone gender identity).
Why are conservatives so obsessed with people’s genitals?
In both of those cases you can determine whether a y is present or not
for one, a person’s genitals are not necessarily a direct indication of their biological sex, even without considering bottom surgery
You’re confused, I was saying that
The person above me was saying otherwise but I think they’re a mean person because if someone was in an accident and lost their parts then they would say they aren’t their gender anymore
I might not fully grasp what you said, but from my understanding, they were discussing intersex people. In these cases, it’s not an either/or situation at birth regarding sex characteristics or chromosomes. It could be a mix of various combinations, or sometimes none at all. The Y chromosome might not be fully present, which means a penis might not exist at birth, or it could be very small (and possibly non-functional for urination), but there may still be internal testicles (which I understand is quite common for some “types” of intersex ppl). In your interpretation, does this mean that there are individuals with a Y chromosome and then there is the rest of the population?
So, we have XY, XYY, XXY versus the others, who might have just one X, two Xs, or a partial Y (I think there were other combinations too). That doesn’t seem very binary to me. It’s like saying you’re either a kid (under 18 in most countries) or an adult, which doesn’t cover everyone and doesn’t say much either. But maybe we took your comment too serious.
However, labels have always been a tool to simplify life, and they have never been strictly binary. It’s similar to organizing a home with labels, there is always at least one drawer labeled other/miscellaneous.
There are as many intersex people as there are redheads, and they can have two sets of sex organs, no organs, or a combination of organs. This wide category range is why the person you responded to mentioned the parts, as these visibly influence how one’s sex is documented. Intersex conditions can sometimes make this categorization extremely challenging.
I appreciate the depth of your answer
Under my system they would still fall under the “has Y” or “Y absent” grouping
I do think a genetic blood test at birth would fix that issue of misidentification but since gender (y vs no y) should be meaningless to the majority of people, because everyone is equal and free to express themselves, it’s not worth the cost of doing it until there’s a need to affirm someone’s gender
Obviously, there is True, False and FILE_NOT_FOUND
Better than having your gender datatype being a Bobool3ol and evaluating to “Tru(🍒🎂🍒)lse”.
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Even if every single person in the world had a unique gender, you could store that in 33 bits
You can store that in a small QR code
Those bits wouldn’t really provide the information to construct that gender though.
Neither would if you stored it as a bit
mmm… a
long longlong long man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-1Ue0FFrHY
I have PS2
lets burn down our civilizations by spending all our wealth discussing this
The issue is based on legal terminology. Gender isn’t a legal thing only pushed into our vocabulary.
Allocate an unbound memory blob and sit back for the herd of the Rust coders to line up. Sell them a soda while they do their best chicken parody
0100100100100111011011010010000001100001001000000111001001101111011000100110111101110100001000000110000101110100011101000111001001100001011000110111010001100101011001000010000001110100011011110010000001101101011000010110011101101110011001010111010001110011
There are 2⁶⁴ genders
