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I just realized. Windows 10 is being shelved but there is only one version ahead of it.
I remember xp still being considered good when i had win 8 installed.
How is that not understood as as a blatant attempt to maximize user control?
Actually looking at the numbers xp and 8.1 retired within 2 years of eachother. And 10 first got retired in 2020 a year before win 11 was released to make way of windows as a service updates which is actually what is getting retired later this year.
Microsoft kindly please get your shit together… or dont and strengthen my work requests to migrate systems to Linux.
Microsoft is a lot more aggressive with EoLing it’s Windows versions now exactly because XP lived so long. It was an absolute pain for them to maintain and support that for so long and they’ve made very sure they don’t repeat that experience.
Switch to Linux Mint and Libreoffice. You will thank me later!
Former burned out core LM developer here, the grass is not always greener (but maybe is if you don’t know how the sausage is cooked).
LM is pretty green
It’s always better when you don’t know how the sausage is made.
I, in fact, do not know how the sausage is cooked. It’s great!
Well, thank GNOME for it being somewhat usable, but I have higher standards.
This is the way. Any Linux and FOSS alternatives really.
I’ve been using LibreOffice and before that OpenOffice for as long as I’ve known about them being options. It’s honestly baffling to me that any home user would ever pay for MS Office. What on Earth does it offer that any home user could conceivably need?
Familiarity, I suppose.
One doesn’t need to pay for MS Office. Not home users, anyway.
Manjaro and SoftMaker Office works just as well
And then, you need a SW only available via AUR on arch based distro, see the toggle to enable AUR, do it, successfully install the app, make manjaro sw update and welcome in dependency hell ❤️
I am so glad that LibreOffice products satisfy my needs, can’t even imagine having to upgrade just to use the Office suite! That sounds insane but thankfully LibreOffice, again, is solid but I get if Microsoft Office is better in a professional setting.
Lots of people using libre office.
Where my open offices boys at!
That’s funny because I bet Firefox will keep running my MS applications just like it does now. That’s what I do on Linux anyway.
But if I’m not forced to use those tools, Libre Office it is!
libreoffice, however, will continue to support windows 10
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I’ll use Windows 10 and pay for the updates for years while using old versions of office. Fuck Windows 11.
Are you sure about that?
While businesses will be charged $61 for a single year of ESU, they also have the option to pay $122 for a second year and then $244 for a third year of updates. Microsoft will only offer consumers a single year if they’re willing to pay the $30 fee.
So, an abundance of software companies come and go while they stand tallest for decades. Then, now, at this moment just when shit is going down, they decide to try the business model all other failing companies used. God it must be such a different world for these decision makers that can’t see how actual people think and act. It’s a baffling phenomenon to me.
Me, still using a site licensed copy of Office 2007 from a job I had over a decade ago.
i miss 3.x
I’m still using office 2003
It’s time to use LibreOffice & OnlyOffice
Long since been.
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That’s when Windows 10 stops getting security updates. Expect most software vendors to drop support for Windows 10 this year if they haven’t already. That doesn’t necessarily mean things will stop working, but it will not be tested and they won’t spend time fixing Win10-specific problems.
In enterprise, you can get an additional three years of “extended security updates”. That’s your grace period to get everyone in your org upgraded.
While I strongly relate to anyone who hates Windows 11, “continue using Windows 10 forever” was never a viable long-term strategy.
Windows 10 was released in 2015. Ten years of support for an OS is industry-leading, on par with Red Hat or Ubuntu’s enterprise offerings and far ahead of any competing consumer OS. Apple generally only offers three years of security updates. Google provides 3-4 years of security updates. Debian gets 5 years.
There has never been a time in the history of personal computing when using an OS for over 10 years without a major upgrade was realistic. That would be like using Windows 3.1 after XP was released. Windows 10 is dead, and it’s been a long time coming.
Now go download Fedora.
I’m expecting pretty decent software support for Windows 10 for another three years or so. Sure, there will be things here and there that won’t work, but most things will continue to work and many people who are on Windows 10 can just keep on using it for the next few years should they chose to do that. That’ll more or less match what happened with Windows 7, where it wasn’t until 2023 that I started to see support start to massively drop off. With that said, if Microsoft actually breaks Office on Windows 10 that’ll really change things.
Also, I’d offer up 2001-2014 as a period of time where it was entirely possible to stick with one OS (Windows XP) the entire time.
“continue using Windows 10 forever” was never a viable long-term strategy.
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
LOL, I forgot about that. Fair point.
So sad for Microsoft that as soon as they decided to copy another one of Apple’s worst ideas, Apple moved up to 11 instead of 10.16.
Windows was doing an Ubuntu-like release cycle on 10 with standard releases every 6 months and LTS releases every 2 years. There was no need for them to release Windows 11 other than branding. They could have simply kept up their scheduled release cadence like every linux distro does.
How are they going to drop updates for something they have to spend zero energy on to stay compatible? Windows 11 is a low effort UI re-hash with some minor kernel iterations. I love and miss the Linux desktop and want it to succeed, but it’s clear there’s a bias here meant to push a narrative.
But not Professional? Just Enterprise?
Also this is very much not the same world as when XP came out, considering you can accidentally upgrade your os instead of having to watch your father angrily fail to install service pack 3 for four hours.
And why Fedora?
I think it’s just for enterprise contracts, yeah.
Fedora seems like a good general-purpose pick to me, because it is modern, it has a large community, and it’s easy enough to install and use. It has similar advantages as Ubuntu — that is, a large community and broad commercial third-party support — without the downsides of having a lot of outdated software and lacking support for new hardware. I think Fedora is less likely to have show-stopping limitations than a lot of other distros, even beginner-friendly ones like Mint.
But that’s just one opinion. There’s nothing wrong with Ubuntu or derivatives. I’ve heard good things about Pop_OS as well, though I’ve never tried it myself.
Mint has been on kernel 6.8 for months now, and that kernel version was first released less than a year ago. They made a change a little while back to be more up to date.
So it’s not bleeding edge, but it’s also not far behind now.
losing money in the general population so gotta turn the screws on the businesses.
So what’s the news here? Win 10 support ends in october. Doesn’t that automatically mean that they will also not support office apps running on Win 10 starting october?
It doesn’t end, it goes into paid subscription also known as Extended Security Updates.
