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Editing to let people know that I will be blocking anyone who feels the need to tell me why this graph is inaccurate. I truly don’t care, but feel free to chime in with your useless take and land a spot on my block list! 🙂
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Lies, damn lies, and graphs that don’t have the Y-axis starting at 0.
10% growth in a day is nice, but far from a revolution. Let’s see this trend going for a month.
The y axis starting zero does not change the fact that it’s exponentially growing right now. Filter that link posted below for 120 days and it is still a nearly straight vertical line of growth.
The only thing worse than misrepresentation of statistics is completely misguided criticism of statistical representation.
While we’re at it, the X axis doesn’t start at zero either.
It’s the perfect combo of karma farming and “well, achtually” to make your blood boil. Good thing karma isn’t a thing on here from what I can tell.
There’s no karma on Lemmy
Did higher karma increase the boots of your upvote on reddit?
No, but there were some karma requirements on some subs. And you could resell high karma account to advertisers as they would seem trustful
It’s not exponentially growing. At best, the growth rate has exponentially increased. These are VERY different things.
It was exponentially growing, the platform would come screeching to a halt and crash.
Wait what? The whole point of exponential growth is that all it’s derivatives/integrals are also exponential.
Jesus fucking Christ, you people are miserably pedantic. Nothing about my original post is wrong, so please kindly shut the fuck up with your “well achtually” takes.
You’re the one that made a false claim with a biased graph…it’s okay to be wrong. I’m wrong all the time. No need to be so hostile about it. You could even edit your OP and add in the graph I threw together that normalizes the data. It’s still a significant bump in users, which is cool.
The primary reason I am getting hostile is because there is a chorus of dumbasses who think they’re being clever by pointing out that graphs look different when you view them on different time scales. No shit Sherlock. It doesn’t negate the fact that this is probably the most significant increase in users the app has ever seen, which is really all my post is saying. On the graph, the line is vertical. Even zooming out 4 months, it’s still vertical. Maybe zooming out further will make it less vertical, but that is beside the point. It’s still growing fast. Even on your graph you can see the shift. Getting called a liar and having people try to minimize a significant trend is not something I will just let slide off my back. Keep arguing all you want, you’re wasting your time.
The problem is less about the chart and the fact that you are taking a jump from a very short interval and trying to pass it off as something completely unprecedented.
Getting called a liar and having people try to minimize a significant trend
“Lies, damn lies and statistics” is not about calling you a liar, but how people can selectively use different data points to present information that supports their thesis or confirms their biases. I wasn’t calling you a liar, I am just disagreeing with you about this being “significant”.
If this growth rate holds for the next two weeks, then I’ll gladly change my tune and start talking about a trend. But so emphatically making projections out of one or two data points is a fool’s errand.
Ah, so you don’t actually understand why you’re being called out. It isn’t the timescale that “the dumbasses” are calling you out on. It’s the Y-axis.
If you cut off the bottom, you can make any graph look vertical. Still, it’s not insignificant and it’s definitely a turn which is cool, but this is why people are upset at your post title.
You seem sensitive and very angry about it.
Sorry for getting annoyed when people needlessly correct others to make themselves seem smart.
Eh… It’s important to not spread misinformation and correct it when you see it.
It’s also important to just be ok with being wrong and get on with your life. No emotion needed.
I am very willing to admit when I’m wrong. However, the original post is not misinformation. The line on the graph is nearly vertical. That is objectively true. Even going back 120 days, the last few days are clearly vertical, and a sharp jump in users from previous time periods.
People just like to correct people to make themselves feel smart, and I have very little patience for that sort of thing. If someone makes a legitimate correction or proves to me that I am wrong, I am happy to be corrected, but needless and inaccurate corrections are just irritating.
Ah, the classic response to being proven wrong on the Internet. Have a hissy fit like a 5-year-old and call everyone pedantic etc. You were objectively wrong but there’s no problem with that, everyone is wrong about stuff all the time, the difference is how you handle that. You either act like a mentally grown person and just go “oh, damn, I didn’t know that, thanks for correcting me” or act like you’ve done. No one is out to say that pixelfed isn’t growing, but you’re misrepresenting facts and then being a fucking child about being told so.
Actually, pedantry is correcting people for things that didn’t actually need correcting because everyone understood the meaning from the context, so there isn’t any reason for him to thank you because you didn’t actually do anything of value.
Username checks out.
I’m not calling everyone pedantic. I’m calling you and the other guy who chimed in with pedantic takes pedantic. You can claim you’re right all you want, but nothing about the title of the post “Pixelfed user count has gone vertical” is inaccurate. Whether it’s the user count or the user growth rate that is exponential is irrelevant. Nothing about my post is misrepresenting the fact that on the graph, the number of users is going nearly straight up, exactly as the title describes. Feel free to keep trying to correct me, but I know I’m right because I have eyes and can identify basic shapes. I am very willing to admit when I am wrong, but this is not one of those cases.
I’m not sure if people are pedantic or sarcastic at this point
They seem to be serious. The more concerning thing is that people are agreeing with them. I guess common sense is not so common.
Numeracy is certainly not so common
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I got the same criticism about a similar graph a while ago. Numbers are on the left, people can clearly see how big of a change the graph shows, and I have no way to present the graph differently as it’s straight from the website, but people still want to argue about it
And then tell you’re throwing a tantrum when you get annoyed by it.
Tbf graphics like that are commonly used to be deceitful, because people don’t actually check the numbers on the left.
But in this case I think it probably doesn’t matter lol
Monthly active users increased by 43% between 13 and 14 January: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats
I don’t think anyone here is arguing that the entire world will be using pixelfed by the end of the year, and that its usage will expand to other galaxies by the end of the decade.
It’s a comment about the current growth curve, and it is both accurate and interesting.
Lemmy had the same jump in numbers during the Reddit Exodus. Mastodon had a huge boost when Elon bought Twitter.
Every spike has been a followed by a slide back to baseline in less than a couple of months. After you’ve seen it happen so many times, it is no longer interesting.
The fact that you believe these platforms were the same before and after these events makes it sound like you were not, in fact, there to see it happen. In my experience, it permanently changed both platforms, transforming them from weird niche sites to genuine alternatives.
That said, what you find interesting or not is not any of my business.
I am here since before the Reddit backout and I am on Mastodon since 2018. Lemmy was at 15k MAU, went up to over 125k and now is 1/3 of that. Mastodon had
1M575k something before Elon, hit up close to2M1.5M and now is sitting around 800k. (edit: I was looking at the overall charts and used wrong figures. Corrected now.)Sure, if your reference point is waaaay before the spikes then what we have now seem “a lot”. However, my point is that these spikes are far from being indicative of mass adoption.
Mastodon had 1M something before Elon, hit up close to 2M and now is sitting around 800k.
This stat is really surprising. Do you by any chance have a link where I can see this data?
Lemmy was at 15k MAU, went up to over 125k and now is 1/3 of that.
So it increased by 200%
This thread (and others in that post) might interest you: https://communick.news/post/2320430/4138857
Yeah, I know I shouldn’t bother. I am just annoyed by the misconception that all graphs should always start in 0 on the Y axis, as if it was some law of nature. Shouldn’t allow myself to get dragged in further. :)
I don’t think that either Mastodon or Lemmy slid back anywhere near as far as back to baseline? Sure, usage went down, perhaps even significantly compared to the peaks, but I think that both retained a lot more users than they had before their respective spikes. I’m an example of someone who came into Mastodon with the Twitter exodus and into Lemmy with the Reddit exodus, and I’ve stayed for both.
I don’t mean that the numbers went exactly back where they were. I mean that every spike was followed by a steady decline.
Compare it with Bluesky now, or compare it with Reddit during Digg’s meltdown. Their growth curves will look like an S-curve, not this series of discrete jumps followed by 40-60% loss.
Got it, thanks.
@[email protected] tbh we shouldn’t expect the adoption curve of any Fediverse software to be somewhat similar to the ones of centralised social networks, since Fediverse completely misses the commercial aspect that encourage key users to stay in the platform easing communities to stick to it as well. My guess is that without the action of commercial dynamics, the situation wouldn’t be so different from the jumps-and-losses moments we’re used to
Cool. You… don’t have to engage in discussions that bore you. Why waste your time?
Wake me up in 2 months when 80% of new users churned.
I’ve never been on IG but I’m strongly considering a pFed account. Am I churn or am I miniscule net-new?
And yeah, it’s a hope that the rumoured meta toxicity is somehow magically not on pFed. I wanna see my nephew’s designs and art but not the influencerati junk I fear is on the captive platform.
Normalized graph for you:
Not a vertical line, at all. For sure cool, but very exaggerated with a dishonest graph.
the head dev Dan Sup mentioned the number of active users jumping from 6k to 30k. we’ll see how it holds, but there is strength in numbers, people only stay if other people see what they post there. i have good hopes and really want to ditch instagram
Seems the trend continued in the days after you posted this graph.
I’d like to point out that a similar thing happened to Lemmy back when the Reddit exodus happened. We have to keep in mind that growth might happen suddenly. But it doesn’t necessarily continue indefinitely. And a large chunk of users are likely not to stay. But with this said, it’s a good thing. We need independent platforms. Now more than ever.
Hey man, I don’t care about your graph but can you just block me anyway? Cheers! 🙂
what the fuck is a pixelfed
It’s an Instagram replacement.
huh, an interesting idea but i’d be surprised if it gained much traction.
Tends to be a large inertia for these sorts of things, but it might be an interesting small community i suppose.
For other nerds that absolutely hate dishonest and biased graphs, I present the normalized data. Wow. What a vertical line. 🤦♀️
Exactly my first thought seeing this graph.
its the federation effect in action. I expect pixel fed to get a slow trickle of new users as legacy social media cages and milks its current users for ads.
Despite the misleading graph from OP, the slow uptick seems to be common with federated social media because there’s little incentive to make viral posts to sell ads.
Let’s hope the mobile apps become real mobile apps instead of web page wrappers.
I can understand if you build a site that allows itself to be pinned to your device as if it were an app. That’s a great way to get a product onto devices before you have time+effort to build a native app.
It’s quite another thing to have an actual app with a highly visible GUI wrapper whose only purpose is to connect to and display a specific website.
Like, c’mon.
Why should it be an app? I would prefer a website, it works on everything then as everything has a web browser. We don’t need to harvest user data here so what would the app provide? Plus it restricts users that are not on apple/android
Hence my second paragraph. Nothing wrong about a web page, just make it pinnable to the home screen. Doable with any website, but it helps a lot for usability if links to do so are explicitly available on the website.
I honestly prefer other sites/apps anyway. Tusky is a great app for connecting all your fediverse accounts in one place, and friendica has a filter by image option that essentially turns it into Pixelfed.
looks like … the climate has changed
I saw Pixelfed mentioned on TikTok. So yeah!
https://vernissage.photos/home may be better than Pixelfed. https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/28641458
Who pays for their servers?
I tried self hosting Pixelfed but gave up because it wouldn’t work. I’m used to Docker containers that are able to just start up by themselves, but the guide didn’t work for me. Maybe it’s time to try again.
Make sure you use a MariaDB or MySQL database. Despite what the (very incomplete) docu says, Postgres support is broken.
Really? I assumed postgres was the default for basically all open source projects
Graph
I don’t really use Instagram, but I might give Pixelfed a try. Does anyone know if it’s also a left-wing echo chamber like Lemmy?
Lemmy is a left wing echo-chamber? I thought it was a Linux wing echo chamber?
tomato patato
It’s both!
I’ve mostly seen pictures of landscapes and animals, so not as much
That’s cool.
God I hope so.
I don’t need a bunch of bigoted shit echoing around in there with us.
You don’t like echo but you on a leftist echo chamber site, smh. You just don’t like echo that doesn’t fit your agenda.
Fucking Deep insights from someone who can’t fully read a reply that’s like 10 words long.
Great job chucklefuck
What can I say - I do be insightful like that :P
At this rate, their user base will be larger than atoms are in the universe
Well atoms are pretty small so I’m guessing the user base is already bigger than them.
And atoms are full of empty space, there like 99.9999% empty.
Compress that down for space savings and we could make a huge dent.
You have zoomed in. I want to see the y axel from 0. It have increased with 10% of the users.
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