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People should’ve dropped FB back in 2016 or when the Cambridge Analytica happened.
I deleted mine shortly thereafter. I tried to convince friends and family to do the same but got accusations of being paranoid or a conspiracy theorist. Jump to now, everyone’s Christmas gifts from them this year was tatty bullshit from Temu that was advertised to them on Facebook and I spend most of my time with them dismantling conspiracy theories and misinformation they picked up from the dumbasses they interact with on that fucking site.
It would be easier if they didn’t buy other products I already used. I hate that shit so much. I wish companies were all banned from buying other companies. A company should be one thing, not own all the things. It’s hard to choose who you do business with in our country because of this. Even if we all drop these apps today and move to something else they will try to buy that too.
People should have deleted it as soon as their parents figured out how to make an account.
Haha! That’s what I did. When my aunt tried to friend request me on Facebook, I bailed.
I joined back in college when it was an invite only walled-garden of college kids. Zucks pic was still in the banner when I joined iirc. They hadn’t release “the wall” or much of what Facebook eventually became.
But when parents and coworkers started trying to friend request me I realized it was time to bail.
So 12 years ago? Maybe just 10.
I have never missed it at all.
Yep, but the second best time would be now.
I deleted my Facebook account years ago, probably right around 2016. I met a new girl last year and she wanted me to make a Facebook account so she could send me stuff. I relented and made a “new” account using the same email I used back in 2016. Low and behold, Facebook never deleted a fucking thing.
The ol’ “marked as deleted” lol.
It was that combined with the fact that they create shadow profiles for your unborn child when your wife is pregnant. (Found out through FB being allowed to track your browsing history even off the app). That was the final straw right after the Cambridge Analytica issue.
Wait what the bloody fuck? I haven’t heard anything about this. Sounds right up their alley, but what evidence is it based on?
If you look up the practical application of Shadow profiles they have the ability to gather information about non-users, which also includes unborn children in the case of them discovering that the mother is pregnant through whatever web searches that they may be doing even outside of Facebook. The whole science of Shadow profiles used to strengthen the algorithm is incredibly frightening and part of the reason why I left Facebook.
I can almost excuse shadow profiles for things like “two people both have X contact in their phone”, but making them for unborn children? Lord have mercy. That’s genuinely crazy. It makes me wonder if it’s something like they just marked someone as pregnant based on searches (weird, but maybe acceptable, idk) and it got taken out of context? Hopefully? Either way it’s icky.
I hadn’t heard of this either but here’s an article about Facebook keeping shadow profiles on non-users that references an article from 2012 where Target’s data collection determined a teen girl was pregnant before she told her dad
Stayed with FB despite Cambridge because Portal TV.
I’ll still maintain an account because Portal TV.
It’s a gorgeous product done wrong by meta and in need of a cloning.
I don’t remember exactly when I did but it was around then. Sooo much happier honestly.
that’s when I dipped - graph api was scary powerful
I did
I beat it by a year or two. For me it was that every time I would log in, my cousin’s friend would say hi, and I’ve only talked to him like once at a family gathering he was at for some reason. I realized most of my Facebook use was deflecting that person instead of actually talking to friends. I looked into it and thought it was super creepy what Facebook was doing with my data, and realized I was getting nothing for all of that invasion of my privacy, so I bailed.
I had to create an account a few years later (probably around 2016) because I needed to work with some FB employees for a couple weeks, and then I deleted it after that contract.
Since then, I’ve avoided all Meta products.
That’s when I started refusing to use it. I only still have my account because my family refuses to call when shit happens now and only seem to announce it on facebook. So i check it every 6 months.
Will never happen. Those platforms literally push addiction. It’s why the fediverse won’t ever compete imo - there’s no dopamine hit here of likes, # of friends, send a snap right now (or whatever they are called), streaks, etc.
i agree with what you’re saying and i think we’re mostly on the same page here. i just felt it would be worth saying that, from my perspective, the point of the fediverse isn’t to compete with those websites but instead to be an alternative to them. it’s to offer a picture of what social media can be like without dark patterns, extreme surveillance, and constant enshittification. and there is a really comfort in that. it feels really nice to not have to worry about a website or app getting worse every time i use it.
i also feel like the people on here tend to behave more thoughtfully (in general) than people on reddit and other for profit social media websites. and it wouldn’t surprise me if that was in part due to the absence of dark patterns making lemmy feel more relaxed and less high stakes. there’s also a bit of a small town feeling on this website that i kind of like too.
And this is exactly the reason I am here 😃
I get it. I left Facebook when they changed the feed like a thousand years ago and I haven’t missed it.
My wife is definitely addicted though. She left it for a year, went back just to check in on family after a friend of hers had a baby and she didn’t know about it. She hasn’t put it down since.
She’s a very family oriented person and everyone is on Facebook. Their family is the type to wake up first thing in the morning and start calling each other.
Within minutes of being up, “Ok kids let’s talk to mamaw. Let’s talk to aunty. Now we’re calling great grandma!” Cousins, aunts, uncles, everybody. They’re always talking.
My family is tight like if something goes wrong, but we don’t talk much otherwise. Sister needs help with a bill, someone’s car breaks down, blah blah blah. We can count on each other, just not to talk.
I get why it means so much to her and why it’s been easier for me. I’ll know my cousin had a kid when I bump into her with it at the grocery store. That’s good enough for my people. :p
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Not that anyone will see this, but we were talking about it tonight and I was dead wrong. She missed her cousins wedding. That’s why she went back, she’s still very sad about it.
Dropped Facebook completely in 2018 my mental health was much better for it
I only had to google it because they make it so convoluted to find the delete account button.
According to Google Trends, related searches like “how to delete all photos facebook,” “alternative to facebook,” “how to quit facebook,” “how to delete threads account,” and “how to delete instagram account without logging in” have become breakout searches, with popularity suddenly increasing by over 5,000% compared to previous periods.
So that is 51 times higher than usual? Am I mathing that correctly?
I wish stories like this wouldn’t use percentages this way, and reported hard actual numbers to compare against.
Yeah,
1 + (1*5000%) = 51Honestly I prefer just writing “51 times more frequent”.
Yeah so if it was 100 queries per day before, its now 5100 per day. Or maybe we are both crazy.
And those are real users too. They are intching closer and close to just being a bot hellscape.
So true… When I see 100% more, I interpret it as 2x. But somewhere around, idk, maybe 300% I interpret “300% more” as 3x. I know that’s technically not correct, but it’s just where my brain goes. I think a good deal of people just throw around “n% more” and “n% as often” interchangeably without much thought.
Luckily, the bigger the number the less of a difference between the two which is aligned with my brain using them the same.
(And obviously, if it’s anything technical where it matters I would get clarification.)
I have no clue why anyone takes this seriously or is concerned about this. I have seen maybe three fact-checks during my lifetime on Facebook. That was a long long time ago. I disagreed with two of them and I am not sure if the third one said anything interesting.
Is there a population somewhere I am not aware of, who believes everything they see on Facebook, who will now be ruined by this change?
I dont think fact checking was the main reason, moreso that they decided to allow hate speech (e.g. They’re allowing targetted hate against LGBT groups).
The anonymous fact-checking is the main thing PEOPLE took issue with. Like, oh I’m supposed to believe your anonymous fact-checkers know better than me or my trusted sources on what’s true/false, but you refuse to identify or provide the credentials of those fact-checkers, so their integrity and validity can be certified?
But it’s not the anonymous strangers arbitrarily sifting the wheat from the chaff willy nilly, and with no evidence to support their claims, that were the problem /s. , The problem was CLEARLY the people who took issue with an anonymous rando who has the power to declare a reputable source of info is lying, can not be disputed on that front (even in the many instances of them being wrong), and whose credentials can not be verified but is still supposed to be arbitrarily accepted as the supreme arbiter of reality and fiction.
Bought and paid for by a soulless corporation. I’ll take “extreme dought” for $500. I was more likely to believe in Santa Clause than an anonymous figure who had no credentials or checks and balances of any kind.
Never seen FB disallow fake news or hate speech as long as it is coming from the (extreme) right.
Either they just stop pretending now or irl somehow get even worse?
They censored certain phrases and words, which they plan on no longer enforcing. I agree that they leave hate speech on the platform (reports rarely do anything) but the looser restrictions mean people can post even more hateful content and that paves the way for discrimatory ideologies
The usual suspects of Gen Boomer and X that first preached to not believe anything on the internet and yet doing exactly that without an external fact check.
Personally for stuff I don’t really care, I will always say “Allegedly (…)” before stating something a website says. If the stuff is important (to me or a peer) I might look harder into it.
I am now scheduled for deletion.
It’s silly they don’t just delete it instead they make you wait…
It’s so they can back your shit up probably lol
No, it’s so they can cancel the deletion if you “change your mind” (read: interact with it in any way).
Yeah, they know you’re addicted, and won’t let you cut yourself off
i worry about (future, AI enhanced) impersonation attempts so I just keep it secure and don’t post anything.
I don’t. Everyone I know knows I don’t use any Meta products, so it would have limited impact.
my grandma is still alive, some other family as well. with AI voice cloning and things i just foresee a lot of negative possibilities. maybe in another decade nobody i know would be on those places as well, hopefully there is some alternative for keeping up with family and old colleagues etc.
What about regular calls and visits? People don’t seem to have genuine conversations on SM like they do in person or on the phone.
unfortunately can’t jet across the country regularly, as much as i might wish. and sometimes calls happen over (guess what) fb messenger. not everything is a conversation, but meta products cover a lot of ground beyond status updates at this point.
They do, but is that actually helping build your relationship? Or does it make you feel like you’re more connected than you are and justify calling/visiting a bit less?
I posted that article on Mastodon. So, yeah…
I hope more people will find that these open source social media sites are much better run. As well, as a much better platform than Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.
Although, I do miss Myspace. The old platform.
I deactivated my Twitter and Facebook accounts weeks ago. I have my friends and family “moved over” to Friendica. They seem to like it so far. I have even posted (on Friendica) a few links of other open source social sites for them to check out.
I’m so happy to be here and read about Zuck, Elon and Google all the time
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he’s replacing it with community notes, which is a good thing. the problem i have with Facebook and Instagram is all the useless junk videos that i didn’t ask for and it keeps showing me
Community note: this guy smells and is wrong.
Community saw this as a potential note and agreed that it isn’t provably true and doesn’t contribute to the post. Rejected and it won’t be shown.
If you think this method doesn’t work I have an entire Wikipedia to show you.
How quickly would wiki tank if the bad faith actors outnumbered the good?
And have you SEEN Facebook?
The bad faith actors used to outnumber the good. That’s why Wikipedia’s reputation has never recovered, and they’ve never been able to beat the allegations. However, Wikipedia fixed what was wrong with their system of citing and verifying information contributed by others years ago. And X’s Community Notes system has a similar mechanism in place that has proven to be equally as effective and verifiable.
they don’t usually happen that way
Since Facebook market place is the defacto classified now I keep my account around to buy and sell. My feed is full of AI generated images related to anything I search on market place. Right now it is all trucks because I was looking for truck tires.
i keep seeing dirtbikes climbing hills and fair enough ok
Just because they are calling it community notes doesnt mean that Facebooks notes would work the same way as Xitters notes.
that’s some glorious schadenfreude
zuck just few hours ago: “people who talk about leaving facebook are just virtue signalling”
no fact checking and a ton of bots being added? Sounds like a fantastic place to spend time. /s
i’m so tired of nothingburger feel good ‘stories’ about search trends
this really is just reddit lite
Eh, it goes harder in some of the bad things about Reddit, but it’s better in others. So it’s less “Reddit lite” and more discount Reddit.
It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones and cant be uninstalled and in some phones they dont preinstall the main fb app instead they’d have something like ‘facebook manager’ or ‘something service’ which only shows up in app list when you select the “show system apps” option.
I’ve read stories that fb is basically the internet for countries in Africa. It’s their version of America Online, but much worse.
In mexico most (if not all) cell service providers give social media for free, ie it uses no data in your phone plan.
What is social media, according to these companies? Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram. That’s it. Everyone uses Facebook marketplace and WhatsApp for everything, because it’s “free”.
I think most people don’t understand the stranglehold Meta has over a huge portion of the world’s population. I’m confident this arrangement is not only going on in mexico.
That’s a great strategy for creating a stranglehold on the market. I hate it.
And that’s why net neutrality is important!
Hopefully NN didn’t get absolutely killed this last time it was shot down.
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Thats what internet.org was about, fb partnered with major telecoms in many countries with no net neutrality laws to let people use fb for free and a few other websites but except for wikipedia most were pretty much useless.
Internet.org redirects to https://about.meta.com/ just FYI.
Probably because you’re accessing it from a country where its not available. free.facebook.com is also another link that only works in countries their internet.org is available in.
I think that just further proves how bad it is, with both links. I wasn’t aware it was so expansive.
It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones
Those are typically carrier-sold phones.
Most unlocked phones purchased directly from the manufacturer (or via a retail store like BestBuy) do not have it pre-installed, and even if it is, its removable.
Nope. My Galaxy S23 is unlocked and it has Facebook and Meta crap installed as “system” apps. Same with an older Sony phone.
Weirdly enough, the best manufacturers for minimum bloat ware are the Chinese brands. Doogee and Ulefone have the bare minimum, just the basic Google apps.
Just use UAD to disable the service, easy
He’s getting very Trumpy with the orange tint and pale skin around the eyes.
His warranty is about to expire
His eyes have always had that going on.
I swear I’ve seen this one before…
It was on that one show, right?
That’s just him using a tanning bed.
Trumps too lazy to even use one.He needs to slow it down because it’s very noticably aging him. Kids, don’t bake your skin in cancer rays just for some outdated 80s “bronze” Baywatch look.
Actually, maybe he needs to do even more sessions now that I think about it.
But what if I wanna feel like one of those hip young old folks from the soda commercial?
Remember kids: wear sunscreen.
Usually his eyes are the same color as his skin. So good for him on trying to improve himself.
Other than that he can fuck off lol
I’m somehow more creeped out by the Greatest American Hero hairstyling.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_greatest_american_hero/s01
I’ve never had even a single Facebook account, to explain why it’s because the UK police once tried to stitch me up and they kept demanding my Facebook account (presumably to fish) I never had one but they would not let that go.
Once I got representation that line of questioning ended but holy hell did they seem to put a lot of emphasis on my non existent Facebook account.
For the curious I was raided due to an anonymous phone (to the mayor’s office) call that claimed I was going to shoot up my workplace or something ridiculous.
My belief is the police wanted to impress the mayor so they just wouldn’t let it go despite being nonsense until I paid representation to make them behave.
This is actually crazy, on the part of the UK police. I knew the UK government are more like that nosy old granny with binoculars than we have it in the States when it comes to stuff like Facebook and etc, but damn. I will allow that school shooting threats are serious, but in and of itself, actively trying to interrogate someone and demanding their SNS is a new level of invasive imo.
