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So people are going to jail over this and proper hard measures are going to be taken to address the obvious imbalance of power that allows companies like this to do this over and over again right? They’re not just going to give the company another slap on the wrist fine that won’t even cover how much money they’ve stolen from people, leaving them still making a profit for doing this and leaving the door wide open for more abuse like that to happen over and over again, right?
Right?
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Horrible. A family member of mine needs a medication called Tolvaptan according to their doctor to prevent kidney failure due to a genetic disease.
From drugs.com: “The cost for tolvaptan (15 mg oral tablet) is approximately $4,482 for a supply of 10 tablets, while the brand Jynarque can cost around $21,238 for a supply of 56 tablets, depending on the pharmacy. Prices may vary based on factors like location and insurance coverage.”
15mg is the lowest dose of this medication too. Often the dose is 30mg or 45mg, up to 60mg max.
If you really want to get pissed off, google the same medication but in the Netherlands.
Just fucking write “tenfold”, Jesus fuck.
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I’m an idiot
When will we start holding these people accountable? It is easy to say “corporations are bad” and then sit on your hands. It’s different to start calling out the people who ultimately make the corporations evil.
We have whole classes of people comfortable fucking people over – sometimes with deadly consequences.
“We” as in society, the government, and the legal system, will never hold them accountable.
Shielding against personal responsibility and liability is one of the bedrock features of American corporations. Piercing the corporate veil is the rare exception and is seen as a big deal. And that’s because the veil protects rich people.
“We” as in highly motivated individuals who may or may not have a plumbing company with their brother, seem the most likely to do something about it.
People don’t make corporations evil. The system of economics makes evil corporations win. Until the system changes, nothing else can
While I desperately want to believe that we have finally reached a tipping point where it becomes time to start investing in companies that make diagonal shaped blades, I’m resigned to the fact that no matter how angry we get, most of the hoi polloi is too lazy to care about it as long as they have the newest fun gadget in their hands and a bigger TV than last year.
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Are the restrictive laws in the room with you?
*blinks T O R T U R E in morse code
Guns are useful for a fearful populace, to give them the illusion of some kind of control.
How’d Afghanistan turn out?
Then why do cops have them?
For dogs, mostly.
For state violence.
Cops love the illusion of control. That’s the job description
If cops only have the illusion of control then I still want whatever cops have.
At the end of the day they just do as they are told. They report to someone
You are going to love America.
Yeah, if they’re talking about restrictive laws when it comes to gun ownership, there’s no chance they have to deal with UnitedHealth.
There are hardly any restrictions on them nothing is stopping you. Don’t use that as an excuse when we see mass shootings on TV almost every week. It’s only poor people that die from gun violence usually
One of the more ridiculous reasons I’ve seen for even less regulations on guns
Well, the Law is supposed to protect us from Bad People, or so they and the powerful tell us again and again (and again, and again, and again).
Of course, in reality as the Ju$tice System’s reaction to Luigi’s action compared to their reaction to abusive and even murderous actions done by those hidden behind UnitedHealth makes painfully obvious, the Law mostly protects powerful Bad People from our reaction to those people doing Bad Things.
Please don’t violate LW’s ToS. Be aware of what you’re posting publicly. This is not a bar with your friends. This is the internet where things are recorded forever and can possibly link back to you/us with consequences. It’s not that hard to express yourself without breaking the rules.
What did they do that broke ToS? It looks like the post may have been edited
Nothing yet. I’m just hoping people think a little before they do things to get banned/removed. The rules are for everyone’s benefit.
This is a post that will rightfully make people angry.
EvErYoNe’s BeNeFiT
The greater good
Serinus is correct. They are rules to the benefit of everyone who wishes Lemmy.world to stay up which, since you’re here, presumably includes you.
The server is in The Netherlands. The Netherlands does not have freedom of speech. Calling for violence is illegal there.
If mods left calls for violence up all the time, there’s a good chance Lemmy.world could get shut down. Considering how much you participate here, I’m guessing you would not care for that.
Edit: Always love it when this explanation gets downvotes but the downvoters don’t actually chime in and say that yeah, they’d be fine if Lemmy.world gets shut down as long as they get to say what they want, when they want, wherever they want. Maybe if you just admitted it instead of getting pissed off at someone pointing out that speech can have negative consequences…
Always love it when this explanation gets downvotes but the downvoters don’t actually chime in and say that yeah, they’d be fine if Lemmy.world gets shut down as long as they get to say what they want, when they want, wherever they want. Maybe if you just admitted it instead of getting pissed off at someone pointing out that speech can have negative consequences
Why, when you understand the meaning with a simple downvote?
Don’t call a place .world and then host it somewhere with pathetic laws regarding the main topic of the website: speech. Well, unless you want everyone else to rightfully call out the stupidity and patheticness of such a move
There’s your reply
Why, when you understand the meaning with a simple downvote?
Because it’s cowardly.
Don’t call a place .world and then host it somewhere with pathetic laws regarding the main topic of the website: speech.
Feddit.co.uk is in the UK where they don’t have free speech laws. Should it be shut down too? Should all servers be in the U.S. where free speech has a constitutional guarantee? Oh wait, you have no guarantee there either because it’s not a government-run server.
I would also point out that there are lots of other Lemmy servers you can go to. No one is forcing you to use this one. That’s the beauty of the federation system. I’m guessing you won’t like a lot of the others that automatically censor speech like lemmy.ml either.
If you want a place where you can say whatever you want and no one will do anything about it, 4Chan and Gab are there for you.
Yeah, it turns out threats of terrorism can look bad for you if they’re ever uncovered.
Ohhhh. That makes more sense now. Thank you for clarifying :)
And why is execution not ok to skip to the end of again?
Sometimes courts are just delays to the justice we all know is coming. Kinda pointless to have a detailed decision of just how dead they should be.
Let’s just kill every insurance official. Insurance will just pay every claim ever now. If a readable request is submitted, it is approved. Just tap a random billionaire’s account directly for it.
I’m an ideal world people would just suffer immediately for every infraction. And even ONE instance of this is death worthy honestly. So I don’t need a giant list of every sorry decision they’ve ever made.
Fuck your budget, fuck your money, if you kill even one person with a “no” you go straight to hell later that day IMO. No mercy.
No one should die solely because they’re expensive to keep alive.
If we could get maga to stop defending these people and see them for who they are, it would be over pretty quick. They’re not very efficient, but they can break into some important buildings if they get riled up enough.
UnitedHealth, employer of slain exec Brian Thompson
Not quite correct sort of. This is OptumRx, which is owned by United Health Group, which also owns United Health Care, which Brian Thompson was nominally the CEO of. In other words, this is like the sibling of the company Brian Thompson ran.
To be clear, Brian Thmpson wasn’t a billionaire, he was a mid-level at best millionaire worth only $41 million. He was just another star-bellied prole who thought he was in the aristocracy.
Point being, the whole thing is stupid. The health care system, the people getting rich off it, Luigi’s reaction to it, our reactions to it, the media’s reporting on it, all of it.
What part about our reaction, or Luigi’s, is stupid? Is it maybe, just maybe, totally justifiable anger?
Justifiable anger can be stupid and usually is.
Well, I don’t like it, but you’re right.
What are you trying to say? That you could do a better job then Luigi?
Brian Thompson was accessible and his location was known. Probably why Luigi allegedly went after him.
As many people here can tell you, I am not cheering on the idea of assassinating CEOs as a way of making systemic change because I simply do not think it will work.
That said, I 100% sympathize with Luigi Mangione and I 100% understand exactly why he did what he did. He was driven to the breaking point by a heartless company that, like all healthcare companies and, in fact, all for-profit companies in America that put their profits over human health and life.
He was desperate and driven to the brink of madness by the system that should have been helping him. Of course he did what he did. I’m honestly amazed someone hadn’t done it sooner.
I still don’t think it will solve a damn thing, and neither will killing a half dozen more healthcare CEOs if that happens, but I will totally understand if it happens again and likely sympathize with the killer.
Unchecked capitalism is really something, huh?
We’ve tried capitalism 1000 different ways and we are out of ideas!
Americans love their health insurance providers
Quite interesting how big tech and big pharma are linked. Oh well.
What is “1k%?”
10x what they should’ve paid
Yeah 1000% is 10x but they were charged 11x what they should have paid. Overcharged by (over) 10x.
11 times what they should have paid unless you think that “overcharging by 100%” would be charging exactly the right price or if you feel that all medication should be
freesomewhat cheaper. Or more expensive. Whichever way the math works for that.They were charged 11x what they should have paid. they were overcharged 10x, because they would still have been expected to pay the original (1x) charge.
The 1k% refers to the overcharge, so they are technically correct.
Ah I suppose so.
Like everyone else here, I also hate this use of a percentage.
It’s better than “0.01 cents” used to mean “1 cent”
I don’t think “0.01 cents” ever meant 1 cent. $0.01 or 0.01 dollars would be 1 cent.
Yeah, about that. Bit of a throwback but: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MShv_74FNWU
1 * 10^3
1000%
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Sure it is. If the company charged them 10 times the amount they were supposed to, that is a 1000% surcharge.
Why are people struggling with this so hard?
Because it’s a stupid, non standard way to say it. I understood it fine but I still thought it was a needless abbreviation.
K = kilo, which stands for 1000. It’s extremely standard. Saying it’s stupid is like saying $ or π or & or # or % is stupid.
1k is a common way to shorten 1,000. And 1,000% is an acceptable way to say 10x. But 1k% is definitely a stupid abbreviation that nobody uses.
Non standard. That is all.
Formatting of the number changes the way people interpret it. Which looks larger from a quick glance 1k or 1,000? You’re 1h% correct, it’s totally needless, makes it less clear and honestly was probably done intentionally.
Why are you not upset by it?
Because the meaning is obvious?
It’s literally the stupidest possible way to write it
Okay. I don’t typically get that caught up in the formatting of a number if the meaning is clear. 1k means 1000 in basically every context, and a unit indicator doesn’t make it more confusing to me. Are you likewise baffled by something being written as “1km”?
I have literally never seen k used in percentages before. Km is common, as is using it if you’re writing out LARGE numerical values (10k or above).
I’m not saying it’s difficult to understand. I’m saying it looks stupid.
But % is not a unit.
It’s literally the stupidest possible way to write it
Nah.
For example:
“UnitedHealth overcharged cancer patients for drugs by over 1,000,000,000μ%”
would be even more stupid and I’m sure using something else than base-10 would yield its very own class of stupid.
Stupidity is probably boundless.
Not when M% exists
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