Lol, I run Alpine Linux on edge and nothing ever breaks on reboot.
Famous last words :p
What is there even in alpine, that can break? /s
Only what I install and little else?
Ohh, but the pain of discovering that it broke something important, but not often used, 3 months later…
🤣🤣🤣💀
Me hoping 6.13 fixes the AMD iGPU issue introduced with 6.12.
Go back to 6.11
On my new Lenovo with a brand install of Fedora, DNF was reporting 10KiB/s disk writes when installing packages. That was a long long upgrade but fortunately all that got fixed by the upgrade.
Next update: the same thing breaks again. After searching forums, you notice a pattern going back to 2002.
It’s a meme because it’s made up and never happens /s
It definitely happens if you upgrade to the next version of your distro while it’s still in beta.
You hit a bunch of bugs, and they actually do get fixed around final release time.
Once you’re on a stable branch, updates rarely include major changes.
Is this some sort of Arch joke I’m too stable and usable to understand?
Ackshyually your distro can’t get “stable” in an update. “stable” means that the distro should not have any new issues introduced with updates in the first place.
Ackshyually stable only relates to the release schedule. Stability is not reliability.
ackshyually, we are both right.
I would argue that the reason a slow release schedule is called stable because it aims to achieve stability and reliability.
stable is called stable because of stability
stability noun [ U ] uk /stəˈbɪl.ə.ti/ us /stəˈbɪl.ə.t̬i/ C1 a situation in which something is not likely to move or change: a period of political stabilityThe point of a stable distro is that it’s unchanging. That way you have predictable issues that you can solve in the same way for the lifetime of that version.
Reliability is a side benefit of maintainers choosing the best available version to freeze.
Which distro? I’ve upgraded Mint on the weekend. The installer failed with an error where i couldn’t get good infos about online.
Then i just rebooted the system out of frustration. Surprisingly it seems to work fine.
Is there a distro where upgrades just work? Maybe Fedora? Or i just install arch on the system, it works great on my server for the last 10 years without reinstall.
Fedora and Arch are pretty good. The magic sauce (my guess) is that they both pretty much release just upstream software without trying to “fix” them unless things are totally broken.
Atomic Fedora variants. Updates literally mean replacing the system image, so there’s nothing to really go wrong.
Bazzite comes to mind.
Debian in particular is rock solid, even Debian Unstable has been very reliable for me if you want a rolling release with newer packages.
But I’ve also had very few problems with Ubuntu. My mother has used it for ten years at this point and will happily apply any dist upgrade she’s presented with, and rarely does she need support.
A pro tip is to check out the alternative desktop environments. A lot of people rightly hate Ubuntu’s awful default DE, but it’s not a core part of the distro, there are other complete desktop “flavours” available in the repositories and installers that will give you them from the start at https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
(Switching an installed system from one DE to another is in principle as easy as uninstalling one desktop meta-package and installing another, but you got to make sure you get the right packages, or you might run into annoying conflicts, so I would not recommend it for a newbie)
EndeavourOS just works on my machine…
Works on my machine^tm
Ysk, the unicode number for ™ is 0x2122. You can type any unicode hexcode on linux by pressing Ctrl+shift+u followed by typing the code then pressing enter.
While I’m here, a couple other easy and handy unicodes to remember: en dash: – 0x2013 em dash: — 0x2014
Most people use a normal dash instead of these, but en and em dashes are technically more correct in some cases
Or you can do it on your phone by typing ™
My phone has a gambling keyboard ♤♡◇♧
Fedora also broke an update on my watch, but it backed up automatically so I reverted.
Atomic distros should be good in that respect, including atomic Fedora distributions (Silverblue/Kinoite/…)
Atomic distros should be good in that respect, including atomic Fedora distributions (Silverblue/Kinoite/…)
I’ve now tried Fedora Silverblue in a virtualbox VM. After the first update, GDM wouldn’t start. I tried to restore to the older installed version and then updating this version, but now both versions are borked. Oh well …
Tbh I once faced similar issue when test-driving Aurora, a heavily modified Kinoite. It just blackscreened on boot.
But I didn’t run it on bare metal, so idk if it’s indicative.
Yeah, I’m not sure what happened. I reinstalled it now, maybe it won’t happen again.
Mmmmmmm stable updates
In my experience the only times I’ve had a stable experience was
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when I actually only installed packages I needed i.e using a window manager instead of a DE (and no bloat packages which I’ll eventually lose track of)
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using an atomic distro, my favourite so far has to be bluefin which is part of the Ublue project based on Fedora Silverblue. NixOS is also great but it gives me the urge to pointlessly tinker instead of getting actual stuff done.
In the past I’ve seen flatpaks and containers as bloated and messy solutions which tainted my computer but now that I’ve tried it, It’s actually very convenient.
I’ve always installed a crap ton of packages for gaming which turns into this inevitable mess, but with containers I just use
bazzzite-archand be done with it. It wraps all my gaming packages in one neat container.-
Upgrading my Nobara from 40 to 41 stopped my nvidia driver crashes in wayland for now, i hope it’s not just a fluke :-)
I’m on 40 now considering jumping to 41. Did you have any issues with the update at all? My experience with 39-40 was disastrous. Fortunately the Discord community is amazing.
No, I just had to remove a few packages which blocked the upgrade. i followed the nobara wiki upgrade page. the only thing i found not working yet was adaptive sync, which caused black screens in games, but i was still on the closed source drivers - nobara switched to the open source ones on 41. i did the switch today, following this guide, but haven’t tried it out again yet.
What is stable? I just run nix flake update then brew a coffee to accompany me for the next 12 hours
I had this when going from Ubuntu 20 to 22 last week. Luckily the universe made sense again when going from 22 to 24, breaking halfway the installation and putting my laptop in a fucked up state between 22 and 24. Caused me a whole afternoon of headaches
When my arch testing prod server reboots cleanly after a kernel update
