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The US congress must approve a declaration of war. Here is to hoping that there are enough sane senators left. Nobody wants this war, but if Europe doesn’t stand up to bullies, we’re doomed to be taken advantage of further. This is a challenge that will define a generation of European leadership.
I also find it delightfully ironic that the US now risks invading Denmark and it’s up to the rest of EU to stand up against it when Denmark spied for the US on the rest of the EU between 2012 and 2014 and were caught red handed.
Just goes to show the old lesson of what the US does to its allies once they’re no longer useful.
We haven’t declared war since WW2. The President can launch an attack without needing Congress backing for ~90 days if I remember correctly. I’m hoping he isn’t dumb enough to do so, but he may get drunk one night and set it off while bitching on truth social at 1 in the morning and make a drunken phone call because he’s not mentally stable.
Yeah, but we’re talking about a potential Greenland War here, it’s not gonna be just a little Vietnam tour, or like the Korea Kerfuffle. The exercises in Iraq and Afghanistan also don’t really compare.
He doesnt drink, this is all his regular brainwaves. :(
In a world where he is bound by laws he is also bound to uphold treaties ratified by Congress, and attacking Greenland is an immediate violation of our NATO treaties. So if Congress actually felt like flexing its authority they could shut down an invasion immediately, but I have little hope of that happening.
Only if the Senate would prosecute him does Congress have any real say. Would it be an offense that should have him impeached and removed immediately, yes. Would they do so… Doubt it.
The question is, “is there at least 33 scumbags and a JD Shit for Brians in the Senate?” The answer is easy. Absolutely. He likely could level their 3 largest cities with carpet bombs killing 25,000+ people and threaten to attack any country who moves to retaliate or protect them. Unless all of NATO/EU mobilized together, they would just give it up. Hell, that’s 20,000 people less than Israel has killed, and the world just watched. Suppressing 25,000 people scattered throughout the land are easy to suppress compared to the almost 50 million that were in countries like Iraq. He could end the war before Congress could potentially convene, and pass the impeachment documents to the Senate for a trial.
NATO wouldn’t want to fight the U.S. when Russia is already engaging from the East and trying to grab more land
The Iraq War proved that Congress doesn’t have the balls to insist on that point of order.
And Korea, and Vietnam, and…
I don’t think it’ll start with a formal declaration. He won’t get that.
I think he’ll order the military to stop paying for the US military base in Greenland without leaving, then have them expand operations outside of the agreement to provoke a response.
This will of course make every other country far less likely to renew or grant leases for US military bases and reduce US global military hegemony. But nobody driving this is thinking that far ahead.
every other country far less likely to renew or grant leases for US military bases are reduce global military hegemony. But nobody driving this is thinking that far ahead.
Oh I suspect some of the people driving this are getting exactly what they paid for.
The puppet masters sure, but the puppet has no idea.
this idiot knows the British and french have nukes, right?
A “world leader”, ladies and gentlemen.
This is an example of flooding the zone with shit do we talk about this and not the confirmations or the ICE raids.
You right, but what would talking about thr conformation or raids do?
No one dares to say something.
The handlers will just let Donny play in a protected playpen and scream and shout all he wants and they’ll throw in a stuffed toy or a plastic toy he can easily break and get his frustrations out.
The problems will start when little Donny will start to get out of control and start pushing buttons he isn’t supposed to have access to.
Hopefully, the Nuclear Football is baby proofed enough to keep us all alive.
Greenland joins US. Existing Greenland people not born in US. Deported coz not a citizen.
Wow. You are so right.
Seized lands auctioned off to highest corporate bidders along with liberal rights. Exploitation of the wilderness destroys it. Capitalism and oligarchy destroys another piece of our world.
And you know he’s escalating because his narcissistic personality hates being told no, especially on such a public stage.
to be fair, Denmark is ridiculous.
have you ever heard them speak? like they have potatoes in their mouthes.
Sweden and Norway should take Greenland.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with any amount of banter targeted at Denmark, but these are exceptional circumstances.
have you ever heard them speak?
That’s rich coming from a dutch (judging by your instance’s TLD).
…besides, potatoes are a new world crop: danish probably developed while eating turnips…
Was it paywalled? I didn’t notice anything.
It is.
Ah. I think I made a ublock filter for it in the past and forgot.
I hope NATO responds… but is this partially an effort to weaken and distract NATO so it’s easier for Putin to have his way with Europe?
Could even be worse than that if the USA follows through, China could enter the party. Trump just needs 41 senate loyalists and he can do whatever he wants. Right now he has 53.
It’s gonna be a looooooooooong four years.
It’s been a long forever, humans haven’t evolved since the start of agriculture.
Yes, every time something happens that you don’t like, it’s russia’s fault. No other explanation allowed/required.
Very likely to be.
taking greenland will just a easy simple step in making a list of names of all the people who would stand up/protest, before he starts all the actual wars in the middle east
…Trump took the unprecedented step of refusing to rule out military action to take territory from a Nato ally…
what. the. fuck.
What even happens if one NATO member attacks another? Does the aggressor immediately get their membership nullified and the rest must come together and declare war on them?
NATO immediately loses all credibility. Otherwise, nothing much.
NATO was founded as a defensive pact against the Soviet Union.
The only time it was ever used was as a tool by the US to force other countries to join the war in Afghanistan.
Article 5 isn’t an automatism that forces all members to start an all-out war. They’re still sovereign.Technically it was never used, that the three-ish nations provided troops and something like 40-ish nations provided logistics voluntarily, off the top of my head.
While the USA was attacked on 9/11, the attackers being unclear made it difficult to evoke a full NATO response.
A full NATO response would look very very different.
I mean, it’s never happened. But the US declaring war on Danish territory would violate Article 5.
Intra-alliance fighting has always been a concern because of Greece and Turkey. Article 5 is probably the only reason they haven’t already gone to war. But yeah the US would fight all of European NATO that answers the call, win a pyrrhic victory, and destabilize Europe for the next 100 years.
US wouldn’t win, that would be the best time for China to overtake them on the global stage
i’m guessing that
heputin thinks that doing so would be enough to break apart the alliance or get the u.s. kicked out.“Heputin” is how I’ll be saving space and time moving forward.
always remember: when something bad happens, it’s always russia’s fault somehow. no introspection allowed.
That would definitely do it. With the way Trump is talking Denmark might end up being forced to expel the US military from Thule to avoid a Chrimea scenario.
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Time to go see if China are interested in building some military bases on Greenland. Same thing for Panama for that matter. Maybe Canada wants some help as well?
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Maybe it’s what the world needs to heal.
No thanks. We don’t want your nukes thrown back at us. You gotta solve this yourselves.
I wonder what the real problem play is here.
- Distraction to soak up outrage and attention?
- Actual desire to take Greenland because they global warming will unveil riches beneath the ice?
- Naively thinking NATO will abandon the USA as quickly as Trump would abandon NATO?
- Thinking they can divert NATO defenses to Greenland instead of Ukraine?
No scenario seems like a smart play but that’s MAGA for you.
Its a smart play for china.
China will be happy to pump this with trump.
Trump will happily be told by china he can have it if they can have Taiwan. He won’t care about the second part, just hearing he is ok to proceed will send him signing orders
Then Europe/NATO will object complain, block fight etc.
Suddenly dollar isn’t the Petro dollar anymore because of their stability issues. China will step up and trumpet themselves as the stable one so use them.
Once Petro dollar isn’t USA anymore all hell breaks lose economy wise.
1 seems the most likely to me. 2 won’t be relevant for at least another 60 years or so, 3 I hope is not true, 4 seems absurd to me.
Other post on topic had comment on new shipping lanes near Arctic thawing and already being used by Chinese ships illegally and the rich fucks want control.
- Dementia-addled brain latches onto a stupid obsession for random reasons and everyone ends up trying to figure out what 4-D chess move is really behind it.
It’s still a problem the world needs to deal with, but I don’t think it’s as deep as everyone thinks.
I agree. He just wants to have it because he floated the idea once and people disagreed with him. The dangerous part is when it eventually becomes an embarrassment to him because Denmark and the EU won’t budge.
…just give him a sharpie and let him doodle on a big wall map; problem solved…
I think that invading greenland is an effective way to destroy nato. Russia and China would be pleased.
