• Gift_of_Gab (they/them)
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    286 months ago

    🎶

    Una mattina mi sono alzato

    O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao

    Una mattina mi sono alzato

    E ho trovato l’invasor

    O partigiano, portami via

    O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao

    O partigiano, portami via

    Ché mi sento di morir

    E se io muoio da partigiano

    O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao

    E se io muoio da partigiano

    Tu mi devi seppellir

    E seppellire lassù in montagna

    O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao

    E seppellire lassù in montagna

    Sotto l’ombra di un bel fior

    Tutte le genti che passeranno

    O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao

    E le genti che passeranno

    Mi diranno: “Che bel fior”

    E questo è il fiore del partigiano

    O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao

    Questo è il fiore del partigiano

    Morto per la libertà

    E questo è il fiore del partigiano

    Morto per la libertà

    🎶

      • @[email protected]
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        76 months ago

        Well, there are counterexamples. Oswald Mosley just kind of rotted in jail until everyone forgot about him, IIRC.

  • @[email protected]
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    166 months ago

    If you do a search for this story there are almost no American media outlets reporting on it.

  • @[email protected]
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    16 months ago

    Wow imagine doing this and never watching the original video. An autistic guy said my heart goes out to you, just watch/listen to the source. smh

    • @[email protected]
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      116 months ago

      We’ve all watched the video. Notice how when Elon is saying my heart goes out to you, he normally doesn’t sig heil.

    • @[email protected]
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      216 months ago

      I did, and I saw not one but two Nazis salutes. I don’t mean to be ablelist if you’re blind and could only hear audio.

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        16 months ago

        Nazi salutes don’t start from the heart like a pledge of allegiance the flag of America does. What flavor is the kool-aid you drinking?

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              86 months ago

              Musk already did a Nazi salute to a cheering crowd a couple days ago, check back on what exactly?

            • @[email protected]
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              136 months ago

              You asked for a nazi salute from the heart, and they gave you literal Hitler doing a salute from the heart.

              And your reply to that is that the word Nazi has lost all meaning?!

              My dude, you don’t even need critical thinking skills for this one. If you cannot straight up realize they are the same gesture, you may be suffering from brainwashing.

              You see, the other way I know it’s the Nazi salute, is because their policies are Nazi politics. It wasn’t just the Jews who ended up in camps: it was people of colour, gay people, and the disabled. A lot of Trump’s executive orders/campaign speeches fit into categories concerning those people.

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    6 months ago

    Now I’m a peaceful person, but I can’t deny there’s a slightly disappointing turn a few words into that headline.

  • @[email protected]
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    226 months ago

    It’s somewhat of a shame that they didn’t keep that Esso as a monument. That piece of land now harbours a McDonalds, which strikes me as deeply ironic.

    • @[email protected]
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      136 months ago

      To add a bit of context, it’s not universally celebrated. I don’t mean the killing of Mussolini or the fact that there are still fascists or nostalgics, but specifically the disfiguring of the bodies. Even among antifascists, even among partisans, there were those who considered it barbaric. Most famously, Sandro Pertini told the story (he was there, as a partisan) and famously said “I fight the enemy alive”. I think in this perspective, it’s understandable it has not made an official monument.

      It’s still a good thing to remind to fascists of where they belong, but it’s not one of the proudest pages of Italian resistance.

  • @[email protected]
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    176 months ago

    Just a small reminder that italians voted Mussolini’s niece to the government.

    So they also swing both ways.

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      36 months ago

      They voted him, but after that he started a golpe… That it could be even worse, but he didn’t initially took power just because of people will.

      He mostly was loved by the richer class as a good way to stop communists and popular (leftie Christians)

      • @[email protected]
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        56 months ago

        I think you’ve misread the comment. Italians voted for his niece to the current government,

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          26 months ago

          The fuck are you talking about?? Our left party (PD - partito democratico) Is one of the whiniest and most useless party in the world, unable to pick up the class fight in favour of the working class and hellbent in carrying out the sistemic destruction of any real opposition to the current ruling class. Look into its management, Ellie Schlein, its current head, is the most vapid and personality-deprived politicians we’ve seen in the past 20 years, and I’m including Fassino in this list which should say a lot if you know Italian politics

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            I know you’re joking but I don’t like this take, even as a joke. They’re people, and hurting them is violence. It just also happens to be the right course of action.

            Honestly, punching a nazi is the most loving thing you can do for them in the moment that they’re being nazis, because it shatters their delusion of superiority, and that gives them a chance to change, and a life of hate is not a good life. It’s miserable.

            You ever see this gif?

            Honestly an improvement in that guy’s life. Witnesses said he took off his armband after he woke up. Did he lose his fascist ideas, or just learn they were extremely unpopular and got a violent reaction? Whatever it was, he learned that going around dressed as a nazi was a bad idea, and that’s progress however you slice it.

            So rather than “nazis aren’t people” I prefer “punching a nazi is an act of love”.

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              56 months ago

              Wow, that punch was very satisfactory. I agree that we should be punching Nazis and neo Nazis

              • @[email protected]
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                36 months ago

                I love everything about it. The “excuse me, sir, please be reasonable” gesture, the absolute unit of a punch, the way he drops like a sandbag, the clap, and the fact that no witnesses saw anything happen.

        • @[email protected]
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          16 months ago

          Ah. English is not my native tongue so I thought hung was the passive form for hang. Sorry, and thanks for correcting me!

    • @[email protected]OP
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      306 months ago

      If Elon was just doing a Roman salute, then Luigi was just doing an Italian goodbye, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      76 months ago

      It’s a step in the right direction, for sure. Still 100% ineffective unless it’s an actual billionaire instead of a dummy, then we can start calling it a protest. Anything less is masturbation.

  • FlashMobOfOne
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    596 months ago

    The article says…

    …where the Tesla and SpaceX CEO made two stiff-armed salutes that many interpreted as a fascist gesture.

    Can’t say I care for that characterization. Half the world is trying to gaslight me about this but my fucking eyes work.

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      186 months ago

      The local TV here in Portugal also did the whole saying “that some consider a Nazi salute” thing in their news segment about this …

      … and then showed Elon’s salute and a bunch of Nazis doing Nazi salutes as examples, leaving nobody in the audience but the blind in any doubt that Elon’s salute was the same as the salutes that the Nazis did.

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        96 months ago

        Journalists are way too quick to 'both sides" stuff. (Not sure how much of an American problem it is.) I don’t think I’ve seen a single article that didn’t include the quote from those asinine Nazi sympathizers at the ADL.

        THIS, I like. Sure, maybe you have to report that he claims it isn’t. But bring receipts.

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          46 months ago

          The problem is they never want to be wrong and unless Elon comes out and says it was a Nazi salute publically the media dances around it. The right knows this and plays the game pretty well.

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            16 months ago

            Sure. I understand if they feel they need to include that he claims it isn’t. (He hasn’t claimed it isn’t.) But the thing to do is to give your viewership context.

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      296 months ago

      This sort of chickenshit faux neutrality is why people are losing faith in corporate media.

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        66 months ago

        This sort of chickenshit faux neutrality, that seems to believe the smart and sensible position is political illiteracy and “working on themselves first”, is the greatest asset to fascists.

    • Venicone
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      6 months ago

      I’m 40 this year I may just be getting too old but what does Based mean? I searched for it online previously and the explanation confused me but I see it everywhere along with cap/no cap and bet.

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        26 months ago

        One thing I’d like to add: based only really works with things that are at least vaguely political or controversial, it’s not just a drop-in for “cool” (and it’s also used ironically a lot)

      • @[email protected]
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        156 months ago

        Not much younger than you, but I got you on the definitions.

        I’d say based is more or less the opposite of the kids calling things cringe. Speaking truth to power is definitely based.

        Cap means a lie or posing. It can be used as a verb to accuse someone of lying to (i.e. “You’re capping”). To say no cap means “I’m dead serious”.

        Bet is basically an analog to ok.

        This slang all essentially comes from hip-hop and the surrounding culture around it.