cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393
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The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it’s going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what’s going on.
On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for “Abortion Pill Reversal” and encouragement for “Sterilization Reversal”. The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:
“Abortion is not women’s healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women’s physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment.”
And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:
"That the House of Representatives—
(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and
(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."
This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.
A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf
For anyone that needs this information, you can (currently) order abortion medicine online in any state. I did it today and it was stupid easy to do. I’m not pregnant, but I wanted to order some as a just-in-case for myself or others.
The Plan C website has a great list of websites you can order from if you’re not pregnant. It costs about $150 and some offer financial assistance if you need it. But please do it NOW.
I ordered one from Aid access and one from safe choice. Both asked a few questions that didn’t ask for personal information or ID. They mostly just need an email, address to send it, and a credit/debit card to pay.
Good luck out there everyone.
Edit: just to clarify I’m not talking about plan B. I’m talking about medication meant to induce an abortion at up to 13 weeks of gestation. mifepristone and misoprostol specifically.
I’m a woman who does not have sex with men but I got myself plan b just in case of emergency like a rape.
Do you happen to know the shelf-life of the medicine? Thank you so much for that resource. Likewise, I don’t need it, but I’d like to be a help to others who may find themselves in a difficult situation.
According to multiple sites, both pills in the prescription have a 2 year shelf life if kept in a cool dry place.
Thank you for checking, much appreciated. I was going to start my search around it today if you didn’t have it, but I really appreciate you doing the research!
Not an answer, but the Army found that pills (non liquid gel caps) were often stable for quite a long time with only minor efficacy loss.
Thank you - it’s something, and a good start!
fact sheet for Plan B One-Step says the medicine expires after four years
Interesting coincidence
Costco pharmacy near me was selling levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive for $6/dose as of a couple weeks ago.
That’s it! In getting sterilized.
I got snipped and it was the on of the best days of my life. Definitely something you need to go into understanding how permanent it is, but if you definitely don’t want kids I cannot recommend it enough.
The booklet has the “encouraged” procedures section where they state “sterilization reversal” which is just wild
Soon, a sterile breeding age person will be labelled an unproductive useless eater and the department of efficiency will remove you from the payroll of life.
pro-women, pro-women, pro+women!
Pro-life
Admittedly didn’t read the whole thing but this looks like they want to pay for pro-life centers everywhere. I don’t see anything about restricting care, except for scamming people into walking into a pro-life center pretending to be a medical center.
Even today’s partisan court has to balk at government spending money on something that appears to be religion based, right? Right?
Remember, it’s not pro-life, it’s anti-choice.
We need a better term, since it’s not entirely anti-choice. It’s “your body, my choice”
House resolutions aren’t binding law. They may want to ban abortion, they may try in the next 4 years, but this is not what that is.
“Pro Women’s Healthcare”
😡😡😡😡😡😡
Fucking propagandists
Something straight out of 1984. When I read the novel in high school I was naive enough to believe it would never be reflected irl to quite this degree.
The more accurate analogy would be The Handmaiden’s Tale.
Absolutely terrifying. And once the underground railroads fire up to bring women refugees to Canada, I’ll do my part to help.
With the way things are going Canada may not be a haven if Trump tries to annex it.
We may not have heavy weaponry, but we have the bonus of looking exactly like any other American.
He’ll have to face a lot of dead American soldiers. I will die a Canadian. And asymmetric warfare is available to anyone these days. Just look how The Ukraine has held off the Russian invasion for three full years with a fraction of the resources and manpower.
I think a lot about 9/11 and asymmetric warfare. Bin Laden spent ~$100k and won. America has spent how many trillion since?
We just need to hit the people in power where it hurts. There’s a lot of ways to do that but we’re running out of nonviolent options.
we’re running out of nonviolent options.
We send so much of our natural resources in an almost of completely raw state beyond our borders. Why not enact a law demanding that it be in its final format prior to consumption?
They want oil? Refined gasoline and diesel for vehicles. Or plastic particles for vacuum-forming. Or actual plastic parts for assembly.
They want wood? Lumber processed into its final usable form - beams and studs and plywood only.
They want wheat? Processed and ground into flour and bagged for use.
Rinse and repeat for every raw resource imaginable that comes out of Canada.
I’m speaking as an American wishing we could get rid of our rulers re running out of non violent options. If you haven’t noticed, we take what we want regardless of what you’re gonna do about it but usually we do that to brown people abroad for their oil?
But good luck bargaining, maybe if you flatter trump he’ll agree to it. Ugh.
They aren’t really off with 1984. “The ministry of peace” being the department of war and all that. Pro Women’s health actually being anti women’s health.
It’s so gross…
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
I mean he wrote it after his experience in the British Ministry of Information during WWII. That reality arguably already existed when he wrote it and he just put it into terms that made the contradictions obvious and stole a plot to make it into a full length novel about how communism is bad and scary.
1984 is supposedly a cautionary tale about what would happen if the Communists won, and yet it was based on Orwell’s own, actual, Capitalist country and his job serving it. It’s really no wonder how we got here, they’re just expanding the same tactics and rhetoric into new territory.
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Hi Denimaww,
i saw that you made the above post into the “politics” community which has rules preventing posting anything that is not based on a newspaper article. This must be why it was removed in that community and which is why i recuperated your post and gave you credit in this community here. Also, i see that you are new to Lemmy and i wish to welcome you here. This sites’ learning curve could be a bit steep. Please don’t hesitate to ask for advice.
Take care 😌
Nice welcoming comment
i’m quite proud of that and to having saved the (vast, detailed, artful) post just in time by :
First - - guessing that it would be deleted from the “politics” community and
Second - - to have hit the cross-posting button just in time (in the locally opened post copy on my device)i do believe that, in a future implementation of Lemmy, it would be nice if moderators could unlink a post from a community instead of deleting it. So the original poster could re_link the post to another community instead of wasting their efforts.
I see, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me! Do you know a community where I could post this instead? Like you said, I am new to Lemmy and I really wanted to spread awareness about this. Thanks in advance!!
i say this is your post : i gave you credit in the header and i invite you to take ownership by responding, at your convenience, to any top comment in this post. For each, if anyone doubt that you have ownership, i would come up with a comment to tell them that you are really the OP (original poster). To achieve this, you can call me (or any users) to a thread of comments by puting my username inside a comment ( … @[email protected] … )
You wanted to spread awareness and your post here got 300 upvotes until now. This is excellent in term of Lemmy viewership. You also got plenty of comments : if you want to go through those, i believe you got beautiful impact. (do not give too much credit to negative comments as there always be those for anyone on any subjects)
The choice of a community for posting is an art that one develops by using Lemmy. But, a first step is to read (in one community that you target) what are its rules for posting in there.
I mean, if a nation wants to fight a big war within 15 years, first they need to grow soldiers, right?
if they ban abortion and then set up a pipeline from orphanages to army then you get a lot of jackboots in 15ish years
I don’t think the US flights ground wars. We’re more about drones now. I’m thinking this is cheap labor for the farms once we kick out the foreigners.
Every war has had boots on the ground. Drones don’t really change the need to occupy space.
And certainly not with 15 year old kids
You all voted for this shit.
If you stayed home then you voted for this shit.
I think you will be hard pressed to find Republicans on Lemmy. There might be some, but not that many.
And how many democrats stayed home on Election Day?
Trump bragged about Elon rigging the election for him.
How many actually did stay home?
Anyone who believes the election was rigged is stupid as fuck. So when he lost it was rigged. And now that he won, rigged? So it’s rigged no matter if he wins or loses?
Bro, just admit you got played like a fiddle. They convinced you to stay home and not vote because you fell for the bait like all the rest of the lemmings.
Interesting assumption to make based on my comment. Also an interesting belief to have that because Republicans, who are quite known for projection, spent four years crying wolf it means they can’t have committed fraud themselves.
Enough of them. Face it, too many people fell for “Giant douche vs. turd sandwich” shtick, and it was enough to cost Kamala. I was happy to vote for her regardless of whatever nutcase the RNC ran, but AOC is right: there is a lot of hypocrisy in the Democratic party—citing the rampant insider trading and acting like money is only corrupting Republicans—and that gets exploited very effectively to fuel the cynicism all across the left end of the spectrum.
They didn’t get more votes we provided less votes. There are absolutely US citizens on here that did not vote. This was clearly on the table. This is going to hurt, people are going to die, and we need to learn. You simply can’t let somebody like that get voted in under those circumstances and then expect to be able to resist.
I voted for Harris to try to prevent these horrors out of harm reduction.
But the Neoliberals haven’t given us anything to vote for for half a century.
Good cop neoliberals with affirmation ribbons/bad cop Fascists with scapegoats, both for human beings dying in the streets for the crime of no longer being able capitalist exploitation livestock in droves as a threat to laborers to produce for their shared donors.
A vote for democrats is a vote for quiet slaughter, a vote for Republicans is a vote for loud, braggadocious slaughter. We don’t get a vote for peace. We don’t get a vote on the economy. Only the social wedges that don’t meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.
Luigi tried showing us who our shared enemy is, and it isn’t their revolving door middle managers in DC.
Ok states rights crowd, fuck around and find out with my states constitutional protection of abortion.
state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation’s constitution conflicts and takes precedence.
In this case there’s a Supreme Court decision that this issue should be left up to the states. Sure key they won’t reverse themselves so soon, right?
Guess we’re seceding.
Right we were just hoping for the two braincells to fire and them realizing that it was never about states rights
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t work on those people
It’s about states rights to control other states.
Not really true. States can’t infringe on rights granted by the constitution but they can add rights. See: infingement of 2A rights by states and legalized cannabis at the state level, respectively. Look at federal drinking age laws. States had lower ages until the feds pressured States by witholding interstate road funding…
I thought that if something is federally illegal you can still be arrested for it by the federal government. Like a DEA agent could arrest people in CO for having weed-- it just means that state law enforcement won’t arrest you.
So theoretically they could outlaw abortion and create a federal bureau of agents to enforce it.
As if you’ll do anything. You’ll roll over like the rest of em.
Most heavily armed state in the country. Fuck around find out.
We were an independent republic before and we’ll become one again if we have to. Fuck the United States.
So what? Your freedoms have been steadily slipping away for decades. Your opportunity to stand up and DO something is quickly coming to an end. You’ve had plenty of time and opportunity but it’s just crickets.
No. When push comes to shove you’ll sit there quietly.
It might feel good to sit here and cosplay telling yourself you’re a big bad ass that will save us all. Yet you sit there instead.
I initially worked with the democrats believing they were genuine. They’re frauds. They’re a waste of time. All we have left is union organizing and violence.
All talk no game
You don’t know me. You don’t think I’m organizing resistance on the ground? Fuck off. Fucking fed.
Another lemmy world lib for the block list.
What are you trying to accomplish by baselessly attacking people you don’t know over things you know nothing about? Even if you’re right, it doesn’t make you look any better. You just sound like an edgy teenager.
As opposed to you?
I’m really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.
If trump tries to fuck around with Canada my state will secede more than likely. Canada will retaliate by shutting off our electric which would be a death sentence in the winter.
That and the abortion rights and the fact we were previously an independent republic, it’s looking like we’re going back to being independent.
Wait, why would Canada retaliate against y’all for seceding?
If trump starts a trade war or physical war or even goes after Greenland I foresee Canada shutting off our electric (hydro Quebec) in retaliation. It would force our secession to save ourselves. Vermont routinely goes well below 0F in the winter for weeks on end, and hydro Quebec is where we get I believe a third of our energy. If not a third a very significant amount that we can’t go without.
I can also see them shutting off oil and gas pipelines to other states but that doesn’t affect vermont. But those states might also secede over it. Fuck with cold states energy infrastructure in winter and we won’t have a choice.
Also our constitution protects abortion, and I can see that also being a factor in us going back to being an independent republic or even joining Canada if they’ll take us. We have a substantial French Canadian population here.
I don’t think it would be like the civil war, most Americans couldn’t point to vermont on a map and were not economically important.
I know I’m probably getting the political landscape of vermont and new hampshire mixed up, but isn’t vermont pretty red? Similar to the way new york is pretty red once you get out of the big city? That’s probably going to be a nightmare if anything happened.
It’s pretty complicated. Our “red” looks nothing like the rest of Americas red. We’re not religious, and those who are keep it to themselves and have a live and let live philosophy. Evangelicalism is deeply unpopular here.
We’re a purple state locally, bright blue nationally. We voted like 80+% for Bernie and 70+% for Republican Phil Scott as governor.
I’d say we’re mostly small L libertarians - pro guns, pro LGBTQ, pro women’s rights, pro weed, strong social safety net for a small state. You also have la la land liberals in Burlington and montpelier who are completely out of touch with the rest of the state. I live in a “red” part of the state and have never felt threatened in the decade I’ve been here, most people are chill.
We’re also overwhelmed by rich asshole second+ homeowners from NYC and Boston but luckily they don’t vote in our elections but they greatly influence things despite that. And our legislature is comprised mostly by landlords which… is great for our housing crisis. /s
I grew up in the NYC metro area where I was routinely assaulted for being queer in the 90s. Hence my take no prisoners attitude when it comes to liberals protecting capital and aligning with fascists. Their support for my kind was never genuine and always performative rainbow capitalism.
Ah gotcha, that makes sense now.
I lived in Vermont for year, and yeah those winters are no joke. But I could also see y’all telling the fed to go fuck themselves.
Secession will certainly mean war under Trump. He’s way more of a war hawk than Lincoln ever was.
He wouldn’t be able to find vermont on map. Probably thinks we’re our own country already.
The US hasn’t won a war since ww2 so again, fuck around find out with the original guerrilla warriors.
We’re not an economic powerhouse, we have limited natural resources, and we have incredibly difficult terrain.
He would probably threaten to carpet bomb the fuck out of you and whine when generals don’t do it
Well…now guys, we must not have sex with women. We should have clubs where we help each other thru the power of masturbation.
We’re doing this for you women! And we’re chopping our balls off…America’s got talent never heard notes as high as we’ll have in the next few years!
It’s a Castrati revival!
I seriously doubt that. It’s rabble rousing.
who exactly are you calling the rabble ?
I’d say you haven’t been paying attention but I just read another comment you made on another post in which you admire the power of the Nazi salute via its roman origins.
So, I’m going to assume you’re just polluting the well.
People are being gaslit.
The rich just want more people as soldiers or workforce. Having a larger population is not a good thing for the poor people. Smaller workforce means higher wages as per the free market (supply - demand).
And the worst part is, instead of seeing this, people jump to conclude “no, we just need to distribute the resources differently”, as if that’s gonna happen. It’s free labor market all the way, even if that means people living in poverty.
or workforce.
Not even.
They’re constantly trying to find ways to reduce staff to the absolute minimum.
They’re going to enslave most of us, just watch.
accidentally takes abortion reversal pill
gets pregnant
I wonder if it works on men too
Mildly infuriating?
Well, we know of course … But, O2P (original2 poster) went for “Politics” community, in which it was deleted. Then i hastily reposted here, before it would be lost. Finally, later on someone reposted in “furiously[email protected]” but it doesn’t have as much traction !
