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I have one outstanding order that is already out for delivery. Once I get that, I’m closing my amazon account. I’m done. Buy nothing. Vote with your wallet. Edit: account is closed. get bent Bozos.
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Oh yeah, by all means, stop using all Amazon related services, then realize that about 50% of web services for banking, agriculture, logistics, infrastructure, telecommunications, research and development, industry, transportation, healthcare and energy are hosted on AWS
“Oh but my service is hosted on GCP”
Yeah and what do you think is the fallback in case of DRP?
I mean we can all do our small part. 🤷♂️ Something is better than nothing.
No, they’re totally right and should continue to spend every dollar they earn on Amazon while bemoaning the death of small businesses.
I… don’t understand this. It’s like it’s only 50% sarcasm somehow.
They have much more built out offerings, but smaller hosting providers and on-premise are always an option regardless. Obviously not including “Azure”.
If your load is stable and predictable then onprem is also cheaper.
Good then that loads never change, growth never happens, users never drop off your platform, demand is always the same and everything related to users is never dynamic, but static as fuck
Yes. That is exactly what some B2B customers want. You can still grow month to month, and adapt your onprem infrastructure accordingly.
Obviously this approach is extremely dependent on the underlying use case and business model. Unlikely to be suitable for B2C.
Yes AWS is the standard for most of the internet, but do you think Amazon won’t notice if a whole bunch of users en masse decide to stop buying things from their warehouses?
I think their store is but a fraction of what they make in AWS, but you have a point.
Oh the users win DEFINITELY notice when the second order effects of pulling out of current infraestructure without a plan just for dubious ideological reasons start to manifest
What?
Did you ever live in a world before Amazon? People still shipped goods and went shopping
My dude, that is literally the least profitable part of their business and not the one I’m talking about.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t vote with your wallet, but it is basically in vain. Amazon is all but a tax subsidy at this point.
I’ve held off for a while because I’m somewhat rural and I do order a bunch of stuff, but I can’t keep paying this asshole.
Just sucks I’m going to be spending a lot more now that I’ll have to pay for shipping costs :(
Are your shipping costs higher because you’re rural?
I ask because a lot of people assume going off Amazon will be pricier, but I’ve often found that Amazon prices are inflated mask the price of shipping.
It’s a good question to be honest. I pay the $15/month and can get anything delivered. I usually order roughly twice a month, stuff like cat litter and other supplies i’d have to travel an hour to get to or can’t get so I factor my own time and whatnot into that cost savings.
I honestly am just assuming it would cost more than $15 since I’ll be ordering from different places instead of just one now, but I haven’t compared direct prices of product. You could be right.
Yeah, give eBay a shot. A lot of sellers are mom and pop shops and even offer free shipping.
Amazon somehow managed to needle their way into people’s minds as the only option, but there are others out there.
The only true monopoly they have is in same day/next day shipping which I’m guessing you don’t qualify for anyway.
Be cautious with fleaBay. Power sellers can remove negative feedback, so feedback ratings can be skewed!
Dude, have you been on Amazon in like the past 5 years?
I don’t see the relevance of this question. I’ve given up on amazon as their entire system is garbage, but alternatives like eBay have issues too. One of them being my caution above.
I used to look for 97-100% feedback sellers. Now I look for 99-100% and I also paw through the feedback to give myself the best shot at finding a good seller. And as you’ve mentioned, if you can find the mom/pop shop with solid feedback you should be okay.
You can buy much of the same, exact stuff on Temu for way less. You can buy dog food on Chewy for the same price and get free shipping. If you look around, you can usually beat Amazon’s prices and get free shipping. Check out Etsy, Ebay and Mercari, Usually they beat Amazon’s prices. I canceled at least a dozen amazon subscribe and save orders. My daughter picks up stuff for us at Costco since we live hours away from a store. Shop bent & dent stores, discount stores and thrift stores for the next four years.
Temu are pretty scummy in their own right, especially if you use their mobile app. I’d argue that aliexpress is slightly less shitty then both, but not great either.
Eh, there’s always ebay, I just wish they’d do the fulfillment centre thing so packages aren’t coming from 10 different locations.
Thanks for the suggestions!
I commend your efforts… But like, now you’re paying exon more for being part of a less streamlined delivery logistics pipeline.
It’s just like… Unless we’re talking food, or basically becoming Amish, voting with your dollar makes almost 0 dent in evil. Capitalism is Bloodsport.
And even with food… Like, other than buying eggs from your neighbor who keeps chickens and buying produce at a farmers market, we’re pretty much had by the balls as far as being forced to pay some evil piece of shit to exist.
Yeah it’s definitely a “which planet destroying fascist enabling asshole” do I want to pay…
Great choices we have. :/
If voting with our dollar makes no dent, BDS campaigns wouldn’t be effective. It’s easy to feel that way from an individual level, but when it’s a coordinated effort it certainly has an effect and the more people who join in the larger the effect is felt by the capital owners
I’m rural as well, and boy it’s hard. My internet options are 1) too slow to function 2) nazi satellites 3) data cap GSM. I’ve given up on option 2 in favour of 3. I’ve cut all streaming, and Amazon, but the only affordable groceries near me at Walmart. There aren’t many options. YAY capitalism
The masks are coming off.
I’m proud to say that I’ve never once bought anything from Amazon. Long before Bezos started to reveal the depths of his psychopathy, the company just grossed me out. There’s something about businesses that are that large and that dominant that just makes my flesh crawl (the same reason I never shop at Walmart or eat at McDonald’s or get coffee at Starbucks or…)
But at this point, it goes way beyond that - Bezos, alongside Musk and Zuckerberg and Ramaswamy and Thiel and so on - is a direct threat to humanity. He and the other would-be oligarchs, under the umbrella of Trump’s ego, are deliberately setting out to destroy the ideals of liberty, democracy and justice in order to build an autocracy in which they will be the masters they believe themselves rightfully to be, and the rest of us will be relegated to being serfs, slaves or corpses.
Sadly, if you’re on the Internet then you are providing revenue to Bezos.
Makes me wonder how many Lemmy instances are running off AWS servers.
It’s very hard to tell, unless the owners disclose this information. A lot of instances run behind Cloudflare or other proxies to hide the real infrastructure.
I don’t blame them. Leaving your server completely exposed is risky. But Cloudflare is another shady company, so I prefer to take that risk for my servers.
AWS’s power makes him a defacto Techno-Feudal Lord.
are Oracle and Microsoft in the same category?
Yes. Although the ownership of Microsoft shares is more diffuse.
Pay me, and then watch an ad, then you can see me insult bezos haha
I usually attempt to buy from other sources, but they are fully ingrained in the online market to the point that other vendors usually drop ship from them, sometimes even if there’s no price difference because they get commercial discounts that consumers don’t.
I haven’t bought on Amazon in 6 years. When marketplace vendors from other sites ship Amazon packages to me, I usually report them. I’ve had two of the marketplaces reply that they had no policy against this, and I let them know that I will choose to shop elsewhere from now on.
It really hasn’t been very much trouble to avoid buying from Amazon. There’s no shortage of online shops, and Amazon’s prices aren’t always lower like they used to be.
It’s been two years for me and I don’t miss them. I have had good success going direct to the manufacturer. And if the manufacturer doesn’t sell direct, they list alternatives to Amazon.
And honestly, I go without things too. Amazon having everything available makes it too easy to buy random crap. I don’t need to have every bit and bob which makes my impulse buying generally a thing of the past.
Anyone have a good alternative to AWS S3?
Cloudflare R2. Wasabi.
I recommend going with Backblaze, they’re cheap and in my experience very reliable so far. If you’re looking for other alternatives, you could get a storage box from Hetzner. It’s not S3 compatible but instead supports Samba, FTPS, SFTP, Borg, Restic, RClone, and others. I suggest avoiding Wasabi due to their strange / shady? pricing model where you pay 3 months of storage cost for every deleted file.
On prem.
Literally anyone else unless you’re a giant business, S3 is super expensive.
I only have experience with on prem, but have heard good things about backblaze.
I don’t put any compute on AWS. I just use it for object storage, which costs me pennies. (I still use heroku for compute and db 😔)
I’m actually looking into Digital Ocean. Based on my needs, I can move all my services over there and it will cost me $25/mo.
What type of storage are you buying that only costs you pennies?
Every time I went to buy amazon storage, I was always disappointed by the price. Glacier is the only affordable one, but Backblaze is probably better storage for personal use anyway.
AWS S3. I mostly store historic archives or small images (max 1024x1024px). It started out as pennies. Now, it costs me about $1.05 per month.
https://hosting-checker.net/websites/www.heroku.com
Surprise! Heroku is hosted on Amazon Web Services and has been for many years.
If you have some technical ability you can try self-hosting https://dokku.com/ which is open source and free to use on hardware that you pay for.
“Powered by Docker, you can install Dokku on any hardware. Use it on inexpensive cloud providers.”
Pick a VPS host. https://www.eucloud.tech/eu-providers/vps-hosting
“Once it’s set up on a host, you can push Heroku-compatible applications to it via Git. They’ll build using Heroku buildpacks and then run in isolated containers. The end result is your own, single-host version of Heroku.”
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https://www.eucloud.tech/eu-alternatives-to/aws-amazon-web-services Many of them have “object storage” available as an option.
Contabo maybe? I never used their S3, but they do offer it and at least their VPSs are really cheap
Ah gotcha. I appreciate your insight - I’ll definitely be looking into this further.
And my account has been deleted as well. Been going to for a while but the shenanigans have simply pushed far enough
Sounds like another great reason for Amazon workers to organize a labor union.
Good reminder to cancel my Prime membership. My New Year’s resolution was to not purchase anything from Amazon, and so far I’m nailing it.
God I hate sites that instantly play video ads. Like if I want my phoneplan fast data going to that. Wanted to read. Did not.
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I don’t think these jerks quite understand they ain’t gonna shove black folks to the back of the bus again. Of course they wont start by trying that but its on their mind.
You can live without Twitch. Once you leave, you have so much time to do other stuff. Stuff that are so much better than watch other people play games or eat ramen in Tokyo. Go play games yourself and see the world around you with your own eyes. You can also stop ordering useless new stuff. Visit thrift stores or buy second hand online.
Or watch via Twitch xtra.
Wtf. Amazon owns Twitch? The whole anti-monopoly thing is just a suggestion rather than a rule ig.
That’s a weird graph. Why does each label have 2 bars?
because saying 0-10% 11%-20% 21%-30% 31%-40% 41%-50% 51%-60% 61%-70% 71%-80% 81%-90% 91%-100% would create a label so fucking long.
It’s implied that each grouping is the top 10% and bottom 10% of each 20% range, to me anyway.
Especially with the tallest having an extra label stating “top 10%”
to be more similar to the 10% 20% categories I would guess. the bottom 50% could probably be lumped together and it wouldn’t change much of anything.
Probably lazy graphing. I think they’re trying to illustrate the difference between top 10 and 20 percent, then threw the others in as collective 20 percent bands. Pie chart might have been better.
I wonder where the line of being able to afford food and housing would be in each graph and what is the percent of people bellow that. I think that’s the important factor signifying how desperate people really are.
Personally I think graph is pretty egregious as long as we have a homeless or poverty problem to discuss, regardless of where the line of desperation is. We know people are under it, and not just a few. Not to mention the high percentage of middle class that are a paycheck or two from being unhoused.
Don’t get me wrong - I know there are many desperate people now. I’d just like to see the comparison to pre-revolution France to see just how similar the situation really is based on hard data.
Ah I get your point. That would be interesting!
Wait, rainbow capitalism wasn’t sincere?
I left the Amazon ecosystem a couple of years ago because fuck Bezos and it wasn’t a big deal, really. Accumulating stuff is a mindset I could reason myself out of. I call it the power of No, thank you. I buy mostly second hand now and it’s so calming. Saves me money as well.That fuck bezos link is gold, thanks for sharing.
