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Ah. I see…
Don’t worry, your successor isn’t offering anything big. You’ll still be around for many more days to come.
How is signal considered part of the fediverse?
It should be something like SimpleX
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Remember the early days of YouTube? When people made garage videos for fun? Remember Vines? When people were making videos instead of businesses making content?
That’s what Peertube is for. It’s to have fun. Showcase your high school band. Talk about your potted plants. Share your excitement about trains. It’s not to make money. It’s to live.
Hear me out.
Creators should be hosting peer tubes. And they should host exclusively their own content. Fans of their can subscribe to whatever systems they want to pay and support.
For creators, it’s a backup for when YouTube the project inevitably fails. For fans as well. But it’s also a backup of their content.
Are any of these actually good?
I mean, aside from Lemmy. I tried Mastadon and no one was actually on it, seems like everyone is jumping to Bluesky.
While not part of the fediverse if you want Twitter like activity I would suggest BlueSky. However I am also on Mastodon and I find it to have plenty of activity. It’s not the fire hose that Twitter is but to me that makes it much more manageable.
I’m on Mastodon and I see plenty of activity, I don’t miss twitter at all. I see less activity on Lemmy tbh
Depends on how many you follow. Lemmy is way more dead than Mastodon for me.
George Takei is active of mastodon. There are many journalists and scientists. Tons of developers. A few small celebs. Also, many people I don’t want to be here are not here. That’s a plus for me.
no one was actually on it
It might feel that way at first, but my Mastodon feed is very robust nowadays. You just need to follow more people.
From lemmy.caPeople only move to Bluesky because they don’t want to change their thinking (picking instances is hard!) and keep using “Twitter”.
I can understand it. I was banned without reason from 3 of the top mastodon instances before even posting anything. Creating new accounts is a hassle, and it’s easy to lose faith in the system when bans happen without reason and none of the instances cared to respond to my appeals. In heinsight, I’m sure the ban was due to my username looking like a hash, but I still find it crazy that the appeals were ignored.
Dqw4, I’ll never forget that link.
It’s the XcQ at the end that does it for me.
PeerTube appears to be completely devoid of content
That’s the problem with the fediverse in general. It’s a lovely concept, but it’s hard to sell people on something that has 10% (if we’re being generous) of the content they’re used to.
It feels pretty quiet here. At least going by active posts. They’re often the same for a while. New is a bit better. Unless it’s my expectations that are wrong?
no, there’s tons of furries, like the rest of the fediverse. >.>
Take a look at the 2 pinned posts in this community: https://lemmy.wtf/c/peertube
Friendica seems like a new thing? No apps for that yet either
I heard that it was one of the earliest Fediverse projects. It just hadn’t surged in popularity like Mastodon and Lemmy had after the Twitter and Reddit exodus.
Interesting. Is there a client you could recommend for Android?
Unfortunately, I don’t know. I read that mobile apps for it are few and far between? There may only be one or no app for Friendica on each platform. I think I also read that there are a couple of apps in beta at the moment?
I actually think the facebook format is great, and I miss it despite having NO desire to use anything meta owns.
Friendica has the unenviable position of trying to convince people what sucked about facebook was not inherent to the format of the social network. That is why the fediverse is inspiring, people make tools they connect with, and then if popularity comes, great!
I need to try it out!
I agree that the Facebook format is fine. The real problem with them is the algorithms. Oh, and all the data harvesting, advertising, and now bots pretending to be real people? I guess everything else about Facebook is terrible except the format!
When people say the fediverse is too confusing I think most of the time in the specific it is good and vital feedback (please let us continue to dismantle the ways in which we participate in systems of anti-accessibility without sometimes even being aware) but sometimes I think the viewpoint might have everything backwards in the beginning assumption that this hurdle, fundamentally an issue of education, has any easy, universal, infinitely scalable genuine solution like corporate social networks attempt to convince us exists and is just around the corner.
Why are we assuming any solution that can be “growth hacked” like a factorio factory is capable of preserving the values that motivated communities to adopt those tools in the first place?
Like, maybe it can, maybe it can’t…
I think we need to educate people better that, as you humorously point out, that when we say “facebook” we are describing at least two seperate discrete things, the actual physical and legal business that we call “facebook” or “meta” and the form and format of facebook-like social media communities.
You have really good insights about this, and it’s a great question. I wish it weren’t buried 5 levels deep in this thread, where few people may see it. Maybe you could write it up as a top level post on the Fediverse community?
I support the cause in general but: Signal is not federated at all. It may seem like a decent alternative to WhatsApp but is it really? It still falls under the same US jurisdiction. Let’s say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case? I don’t think so. Sadly i can’t name a much better alternative. Maybe matrix. But it has other issues.
Let’s say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case?
Definitely no. Russian government already is aggressively prosecuting dissidents and you can’t join Signal there. I don’t know whether it’s due to sanctions or if the government is blocking 2FA SMS messages. In either case, it is impossible to join without a phone number confirmation. At least I wasn’t able to. I don’t see the USA being that far off with all the recent TikTok drama.
you can’t join Signal there. I don’t know whether it’s due to sanctions or if the government is blocking 2FA SMS messages. In either case, it is impossible to join without a phone number confirmation.
What do you mean? You need a phone number to join Signal in any country.
And that’s the problem. The whole privacy thing goes out the window because it relies on an insecure and state-controlled method for authentication. What’s the use of it if it can be killed off in any country at a whim of its, or USA’s government?
Jurisdiction is not that important. Even if it was in Switzerland it’d have to comply with international law enforcement and warrants. The key is that sure Signal is obliged to give out whatever data it has, but the point is that it doesn’t have much useful data to give. It’s the same as Mullvad, and a far smarter approach than “lol we just gonna ignore the warrant huhuhu look at us we host somewhere in Shitzerfuck” (oh btw “We are in X country which is not in N eyes” is just marketing).
Oh and btw the same goes for instances of the fediverse (which are ran by volunteers you need to trust), and if they don’t comply and the US government really wants to break into them they probably will find a way. Doesn’t even need some complicated backdoors or anything it just needs to find an OPSEC slip-up, do some social engineering, arrest someone or at worst find a bug to exploit, and I can guarantee that unless you have some serious security wizards running your instance you’re not beating the FBI there and if the FBI is really persistent and focused on you for some reason then the wizards won’t be enough you need state actors.
If your threat model actually includes the US government (aka you’re actually in danger and not some paranoia or just-in-case situation, be realistic with yourself) and there’s credible threats you may be targeted by it or other governments then you’re probably going to be using tor, briar, all that jazz, and wouldn’t be on lemmy. If you’re just some guy who just needs to message your family and shit Signal is perfectly fine, I can tell you that unless you’re a serious threat to the government they won’t waste resources cracking down ways to capture you via signal or whatever you use that is even somewhat secure (so no telegram, no WhatsApp, no messenger, etc), even if you’re a minority or activist, if not because you’re not important enough then because they have other easier ways to do it.
Edit: oh and btw Signal was banned in Ruzzia (a country way more authoritarian than the US currently is) because the FSB couldn’t crack it so that goes to show it is pretty secure.
(oh btw “We are in X country which is not in N eyes” is just marketing)
Why do you say this? There are real data-sharing agreements between the Eyes.
Doesn’t even need some complicated backdoors or anything it just needs to find an OPSEC slip-up
This already happened with kolektiva, unfortunately, but from what I hear they’ve since strengthened their security.
- There’s data-sharing agreements with more than just the N eyes countries
- If there’s an international warrant for that data the company is obliged to comply regardless
The only countries in which n° 2 doesn’t apply for the US are countries you really don’t want your data in either.
In short, however: if a government really wants your data it will find a way to get it no matter where you store that data, so the best thing is to simply not store that data at all, Mullvad and Signal don’t do that.
Signal is open source. They absolutely do always comply with US warrants. They have never provided any information to US law enforcement, because they can’t access it. They literally have no way of accessing the information contained inside the texts. The most they could provide is metadata, but they currently aren’t collecting that. I also think if they started, it would not work well for their user base. You can see all their requests for information, and the responses they gave, here: https://signal.org/bigbrother/
We should stop being naive. Immersing ourselves as a society into facebook and twitter significantly contributed to the shit situation we are in now. Going to Signal seems like a short term solution. We should have some idea where to go on the long term.
Facebook and twitter are not the same as signal. The signal protocol is a free open source project, that WhatsApp, Signal, and many other use. It secures the data so that whatever servers they are stored on, the company storing it does not know what the texts say. Facebook and Twitter are all about getting as much data as possible. Even though WhatsApp uses the signal protocol, they still collect all metadata with the texts (which is really what they want anyway). Moving to open source project is absolutely the long term goal to get out of this shit hole.
Mastodon ❌
Bluesky ✅
People moving from Xitter to Bluesky don’t understand why they moved. They have no clue.
They understand Twitter sucks now and it feels more peaceful on BlueSky.
Bluesky is just Twitter but with a different techbro in charge
This time it will be different, because… errr well it is not the same time as last time.
Twitter was alright until Elon took over so I’m willing to hang out until the billionaire psychopath swoops in.
Woo! Made one of first steps of switching today!
Loop.video is “currently not accepting new members”.
It’s also a pretty rough experience tbh. It took about 2 days for me to gain access after signing up. Only usable via the Android sdk or iOS beta app. The infrastructure just isn’t there yet.
Do you mean the android apk?
FB Marketplace --> Flohmarkt is missing!
Facebook messenger to sup fediverse messages platform
Signal is centralized, loops is closed source and not accepting new users.
So Matrix it is?
I was told that unless you self host, matrix is less secure because it leaks more metadata. Something to consider
Leaks more metadata? What does that mean?
sender, recipient, chatroom, what kind of event you sent (message, emoji, reaction, vote), if you responded to a message, room privilege changes, etc
but it’s a question how big of a problem is that. they want to tackle it in the future, but that’s far away for now I think
Damm, didn’t know that, good to know
it’s not even true information, the new tech stack is zero trust
What does this mean?
Zero trust means there’s no trust assumed on the protocol - I.e. it distrusts all actors and the protocol takes steps to work in that trustless environment. I don’t know how that applies specifically to matrix.
So the guy above the guy avobe me was supposedly wrong?
the new cryptographic protocol protects metadata, like signal. the servers know nothing about any encrypted chats
So the guy above the guy avobe me was wrong?
Loops will be open sourced later they say.
Is Loops open source? It will be! We plan on open sourcing the platform after it reaches a stable and easy to maintain state.
Nice to see the rear of them, was tough making the call to disconnect from a bunch of people, but I’ve told them where to find me. Hopefully it snowballs!
It will. I did the same thing a couple years ago. Make sure you share links to things like articles, videos, news, from the fediverse to your contacts. That helps them switch, when they see the platform in their mobile browser.
Switching from WhatsApp to any other messaging service isn’t a realistic option for quite many places. I’d be more than willing to switch but of all the people in my contacts (including my entire customer base) there’s like 3 people using Signal but every single one of them has WhatsApp. Even the 60+ year olds.
There is always SMS for these.
At least WhatsApp is encrypted and let you have propre group chat
WhatsApp’s a scam, anti-libre software.
Yes but it is still better than SMS.
Saying it’s secure feeds their scam. At least we don’t pay for it like SMS.
You still pay for SMS? Wtf, what country do you live in? Most postpaid mobile plans these days only charge for data usage. In which case, your still paying to use WhatsApp.
Are you from the global south? Because it’s still a common thing for SMS to be chargeable in many countries. And no one should be using SMS anyway. It’s horribly insecure. At least use RCS.
