I’m hoping they never release the killers identity to the public. Spreading around that hateful persons likeness and beliefs all over media and articles only empowers others to do the same thing. Leave them as a nameless pictureless murderer with no agenda or beliefs, just some bigoted murderer.
Others are empowered and emboldened to do the same thing regardless of whether this person’s name makes it out. The right knows that they have a near monopoly on political violence so their agenda is to feed poison to the unstable so that they’ll commit violence to make people fear to be themselves and supportive of others. I’ve heard about a shit-ton of abortion clinic bombings and murders, can’t think of a single “crisis pregnancy center” issue.
Hell, when the Supreme Court got concerned about protesters they were absolutely fine with there being special guidelines for them. But for a person seeking an abortion? Nope, you’ll get to have unstable “Christian” shitheads yelling in your face while they take pictures of you and your car to distribute to their network of terrorists.
You’re absolutely not wrong. Sadly though, there’s a world in which are both right and we’re living in it. More than a few times school shooters have been copycats who likened themselves to the colombine shooters, or who literally wanted to be in the media and have people talking about them.
The amount of time and effort put into remembering the perpetrators of these heinous crimes is so much greater than the memories of those they killed. That’s the part I’d like to change. I know it’ll never happen, gotta get those views for the ad money, but I can hope.
I blame the gop for radicalizing the shooter.
It’s odd, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a lefty or a gay person outright killing someone over a Dixie or Trump flag. I keep reading about far-righties killing people over the scary rainbow flag though
lol the only one in 26 years holy shit. feels like every other day with far right weirdos going on shooting sprees
And girlfreddy is a libtard.
Where were you Jan 6, 2021?
Gee, I don’t know. I only remember watching online how your stupid country descended into chaos.
“I only remember watching online how your stupid country descended into chaos”. Says the Putin butt licker lol.
Lmao, you actually used the word ‘libtard’.
Hm, it’s one example, while he claimed he never heard of such occurence. Clearly there have been Trump supporters murdered for their allegiance. Can’t say there haven’t been.
Lol this reads like the white Christians who say they’re the most persecuted group in the country
Who knows if they really are?
“Can’t say they haven’t been.”
Actually I can. And I provided as much evidence as you did.
Sure, Jan.
Who are the “clearly” murdered trump supporters you speak of?
Probably considers Ashli Babbitt one of those murdered Trump supporters.
I can think of another example of a Trump supporter murdered for their allegiance. Jeffrey Epstein lol.
“Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself!” 👀
President Donald Trump commended the U.S. Marshals for shooting Reinoehl, describing it as “retribution”, and claiming to have personally “sent in” the U.S. Marshals to “get” Reinoehl during the first presidential debate with Joe Biden.
That’s really the icing on top isn’t it
Damn, reading the wiki link is disturbing when you read the shooter’s info. Dude’s house was shot at. Not surprised he was on edge
That’s especially disturbing considering that it seems more like a political hit job on a left-wing activist. Dude killed somebody allegedly in self-defense, then he was gunned down - why was a fugitive task for necessary when the dude was just chilling at home?
He was executed my a shady task force, probably without ever firing his gun, and then the president boasted about revenge. https://archive.ph/OFvJi
Closest I’ve come is punching a skinhead for his jacket patches.
How much of a pussy do you have to be to go shoot somebody over a rainbow flag. What a fucking fairy. People are so sensitive these days and don’t know how to act. We can blame the internet all we want, but at the end of the day, people need to learn to have some social skills. How to talk disagreements out and let people have an opinion, even if it may be wrong or stupid in their eyes. It absolutely infuriates me that people gotta die over stupid shit.
Talk about an easily triggered snowflake. Ahh they have a flag presented! I need my gun to protect my fragility!
In like 2021 when the truckers were protesting g the vaccine at the border I made a man snap in public over what was legitimately a luke-warm shot at the protest.
I said something like “these dipshits are acting like they didn’t get their mandated MMR shots already.” And a guy next to me, not in the conversation, dramatically stood up, and loudly announced “You know what?! All you fuckin idiots think the situation is simple, but it’s a lot more fucking complex that the corporate media is making it out to be!” He stormed out. Didn’t pay his tab.
The whole bar just sat there in awe. Like “damn I guess some of us really got hit with that isolation crazy”
Truly, a year alone for some was just too much.
You say that like any of those people actually quarantined.
If I am ever killed over my rainbow stuff, I’m haunting the son of a bitch who killed me as a rainbow.
I’d tend to trust someone haunted by a rainbow personally, I don’t think it’s the best plan
I would love to have my personal rainbow, could you haunt me a little as well? Maybe Tuesdays?
Leprechauns are starting to make sense.
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I guess the perpetrator also wore a brown shirt? Here we go again: Weimar Republic 2: Nuclear Boogaloo
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Brown shirts aren’t inherently bigoted, but they can be a reference to the colloquial name for the SA, the brownshirts, called that because their uniforms included brown shirts and also to differentiate them from other fascist militias of the era that wore different colored shirts. The SA used similar styles of military imagery, threats of violence, and acts of violence to modern right wing militias.
Did you have a stroke while writing this? Hope you’re ok
Stochastic terrorism.
If you just call it terrorism more people will understand you. I understand you’re trying to draw a distinction and I’m here to tell you as someone who grew up in a rural town of 1200 people…just call it terrorism. These people aren’t backtracking on language because they thought of an exception. It’s part of why they hate us.
Only the left has to use language accurately. The right does not care about language.
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This thread is about someone who was murdered over a rainbow flag and you’re talking about people being too rude online?? Please get some perspective.
Or facts.
Some right winger is upset and down voting y’all. So petty and weak of them.
Petty and weak is THE character trait of conservatism.
Brigading incoming.
There are enough conservatives on lemmy for that to work? I honestly have been on the lookout and it feels like 99% of people are actively anti-conservative here.
Idk how effectively, but it happens. Cool sn.
The systemic favoritism the right gets is insane, even from left wing people. We need to atop biasing in their favor, they don’t deserve it
Yeah they’re no different from people calling a fatwa on a journalist.
Good points. And anyway, once the trigger was pulled it became normal terrorism.
All the regressive media bullshit that poisons these peoples’ minds is the stochastic terrorism.
It absolutely is. We need laws, and police forces which aren’t overrun by these same criminals, to handle these terrorists.
Kill-billies.
Kill-billies kill. It’s all they know, it’s all they can do.
Is this the start of them hunting down libs? Party of law and order people.
They have been for a long while now. The left chooses to be blind to it. We need strong response like the socialist rifle association, and those like it. War is here and cannot be avoided through denial or compartmentalized away.
War is here? We have 350 million plus people. I don’t see how you can call the occasional incident “war”. If it was violence targeted at non-conservatives even once every few days I could see your point maybe. But as violent and awful as America is, I think the vast majority of our violence is not political in nature.
I will probably get downvoted for saying it, but this post and the response here reminds me a lot of things you’d see on r/conservative in that people take an isolated hateful incident and extrapolate to say that this is the start of a civil war and we need to mount an equally forceful response. Yes this is a tragedy, unhinged, and terroristic behavior, but, as someone from a deeply red state who has some ultra-conservative family, 0 of them are even remotely close to wanting to fight and die over pride flags.
I only say this because the sentiment that “there is no other way out of this but civil war” is not anywhere close to true, in my mind, and only serves to stop coherent discussion.
Perfectly said. I’m with you. I do think it’s a distinct possibility at some point but this news story is not a part of some inevitably imminent civil war. If nothing else, 99.9% of people are way too comfortable and lazy currently to even attempt to create that sort of chaos. Something to still be watchful about but nothing like some of the comments in this thread are saying.
I only say this because the sentiment that “there is no other way out of this but civil war” is not anywhere close to true, in my mind, and only serves to stop coherent discussion.
It is also not at all the appropriate response to hearing about an innocent person being killed. No sympathy or concern or even tact for the victim nor her community nor loved ones— Instead, fantasizing about even more of the same thing happening so you can mentally LARP as a hero. Even if you’re right, this is not the place to scream your violence-fantasy slogans.
Interesting that as communities become more radical and more specialized— Not that that’s always a bad thing; It’s probably a natural part of the memetic processes by which communities evolve— But it’s interesting that they also seem to become less and less empathetic at the same time.
I think the vast majority of our violence is not political in nature. Of course, but the rate that it’s rising is very concerning. The rhetoric is also getting more heated.
Wouldn’t be surprised if things did indeed boil over.
Even a lazy Google search can give you information on the rate of which things are happening.
But it’s been going on a long time weather it’s Reproductive care doctor’s gunned down in Kansas, the Capitol raided, normal execution of POC by LEOs everywhere.
It’s much more likely that it is that bad and getting worse fast but you’re just in a place of privilege to be insulated from it.
Even the FBI director has testified to congress about the growing and enormous risk of political violence. Even librarians are being targeted.
Ignoring it, denying it, or trying to dismiss it won’t make it go away.
Your tone in no way helps the conversation. Bye.
Ever notice how there’s no such thing as a liberal hate crime?
“We are all domestic terrorists”.
How much more do we have to put up with before we do something about this? Sadly I’m guessing it’s a lot more.
Honesty I’m so done with this shit. Next confederate flag I see I’m ripping it down. Yes I know it’s illegal but I just don’t give a fuck anymore. If they do it to our flags we should be able to do it back to their traitors symbol of stupidity.
Alright I’m done venting now. I probably won’t do shit since I’m crippled and I use a cane to walk around 🤣
There’s a guy in my rural northern NY town with TWO confederate flags in the back of his big ass truck 🙄
It’s not much better in Greene and Columbia county either.
I smuggled home a confederate flag I found in a drawer at my grandmother’s house. Disposed of it with a bag of cat shit.
Bruh, you just stole G-Ma’s emergency TP reserve left over from the early days of covid. Nothing else attracts shit like the stars and bars.
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gotta rip it down before shoving it up their ass.
They outright kill someone over a flag and you’re fantasising about politely ripping one down?
Really puts it into perspective huh? Unfortunately we can’t afford to be polite with savages.
Blat blat. Fire power’s something no american has bragging rights over `cause we all can get it. Legal or illegal. We’re in a slow motion civil war so don’t go bragging about shit everyone has access to if you’re a soft handed new age patriot.
People should be building up rations of medicine.
And participating in mutual aid.
I threw one of those blue lives matter flags in the trash. It blew in from my neighbors house fuck hate the traitorous fucks.
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Funny how these murder-babies are never from the north east
New York State isn’t in the North East? I seem to remember a really bad day at a grocery store in Buffalo, a deli getting blasted in NYC, a subway getting shot to shit in NYC, and recently some psycho on a scooter running around popping people at random.
California has entered the chat with a bit more money at over double the economic productivity of Texas (#2) and New York (#3)
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The reality is that terrorists like this guy are armed and carrying all the time, but the second amendment is for all Americans including liberals, lefties, moderates and everyone in between.
Im not advocating for violence, in fact having a concealed carry permit nearly always means the exact opposite. Someone being aggressive? You walk away and let them win. Someone tailgating you? Let them pass.
Carrying is about situations like this, between a shop owner with a rainbow flag and someone out looking for an excuse to murder someone over rage bait.
the problem I have with this is that you’re basically saying more people should have guns. a significant part of the issue is that there already are too many guns around and accessible and that is statistically going to result in more alterations resulting in shooting. you can talk about how much respect guns should be given all you want. but if more people have guns then there will be more gun violence.
It’s a balance between individual rights and societal safety. You have a right to defend yourself from threats to your life and safety by using deadly force. To say otherwise removes the ability for a good chunk of the population to adequately defend themselves. I’m related to plenty of people who cannot defend their life against the average male aggressor without a gun, and you are too. At a certain point size and strength are insurmountable.
But yes, encouraging people to responsibility engage with firearms for self defense use means that there will be more guns floating around, which means more accidents, suicides, and murders. Just as with any other choice for the rules of society, it’s a trade-off. How much do we value keeping the right to adequate self-defense as a universal right? How much do we value preventing accidental injury and death?
The classic comparison is cars, simply because the annual death numbers are similar, and pretty much no other reason. But even so, we can draw parallels. Cars have mandatory features that reduce the likelihood of injury without impacting the usefulness or general experience of using a car. So too do guns, with nearly all guns having to meet industry requirements for safety, like being able to handle an overpressure event, and being drop-safe.
Cars have a licensing procedure (though it’s essentially a joke here in the US) and a licensing procedure would be fine for guns, so long as it can’t be used to restrict access (racist approvals and denials would become a problem in a hurry). My ideal licensing program would be a free handling skills course where failure would require some sort gross negligence, and even then you’d still get racist denials.
And really, this is the fundamental problem with guns: I (and many others) view them as a necessary tool to accessing a highly valuable right. The chances you’ll need a gun are very low, but the cost of not having it can be very high. You don’t have full control over whether someone else will attempt to take your life, and I don’t want to say to a large chunk of the population “we’re going to take away your ability to defend yourself in order to save other people who would still have that option either way.”
And I want to be clear, I completely agree with the other person. If you’re going to bring guns into your life, you had better learn medical skills, social skills, and you had better train with your firearm in somewhat realistic conditions. You should carry pepper spray, you should practice learning how to actually effectively calm people down, you need to learn how to safely store your guns and ammo, etc. Etc.
I get the desire ban guns in order to save lives, but you’d also be endangering others. Compare that with the car analogy, and banning cars would have a similar trade-off. Some people would live thanks to not getting in a car accident, others would die thanks to not having the same level of mobility (which has about a billion knock-on effects for quality of life).
I think your argument sounds good until you look at other countries. I don’t know for sure but I’m guessing there aren’t more violent attacks on vulnerable people in countries that have gun bans. I think it’s possible you’re exaggerating the fear of attack without factoring in the overall safety benefits of removing so much gun violence. I’m convinced that if it could be done the benefits would fast out weigh the draw backs.
obviously the reality is that actually accomplishing this task in a country whose identity is so pathetically attached to guns is the impossible task. there’s already just too many gun nuts so that ship had long sailed.
regardless, to me there’s no question whether it would be better or worse for there to be more people with guns.
Oh, no, it’s just that I don’t weigh all violence as equal. I have a different value system then you do when it comes to interpersonal violence and that’s okay that we disagree there.
To me, removing a potential victim’s ability to protect themselves isn’t worth removing a potential victim from being attacked at all. To me, they’re not a 1:1 trade. You probably disagree, and that’s okay, but I place a high value on an individual’s agency, to the point where I’m willing to let them live in a slightly more dangerous society to get it.
This trade-off exists in all areas of life, and I don’t necessarily side with personal freedom in all of them (I would ban cars if I could), but I do in this area.
so selfishness then. got it. your desires for yourself are more important than what’s better for everyone. you can’t pretend this is your choice for others. it’s definitely for yourself.
Uh, no, it’s so that everyone has the ability to make the choice for themselves. We could force everyone to live in padded cells for their own safety, but we both agree that’s ridiculous. We’re just arguing over what is and is not an acceptable trade-off between safety and agency.
in this case there’s only really 2 options: better for society or better for yourself. you can’t argue it’s better for everyone to have the choice to own killing weapons when it’s clear that position results in more gun violence and death.
Without regard to the rest of your comment, somehow the lack of guns works ok in Europe and they aren’t all exactly equally sized.
You’re not wrong and I mainly don’t disagree with you.
But look at it from another perspective.
Those millions of guns in households are largely in the hands of conservatives since gun ownership skews heavily towards white people, males, and those living in rural areas which we already know also skews conservative, within which is a subset that fantasize about having a reason to murder their neighbors over dumb shit like colorful flags or opinions.
Liberals are much more diverse of a population than conservatives which means that when it comes to liberals, women or poc the odds of them having a fighting chance are not great in a life or death situation they didnt create, vs who is most likely to be the aggressors, conservative white men.
My take on it is that the cat is already out of the bag. In a perfect world I would prefer not having easy to operate life-ending tools spread freely throughout the country, but that’s not the reality we live in. The best shot we have is to even the playing field so to speak even with the downsides it presents. The current status quo is letting terrorists gun us down with impunity and that doesn’t sit well with me.
I mean… I kind of get where you’re coming from but “with impunity”? The shooter is now dead. If they weren’t dead they’d be either executed eventually or in prison for 50+ years, or more likely, life.
The trouble with this is that like @[email protected] pointed out in her comment about individual rights vs societal safety, from the perspective of the individual being shot, it is with impunity.
That woman had a right to life and safety and some stupid asshole came along and ended that no matter what justice the shooter rightfully faces after the fact.
Yeah that’s fair.
I disagree and think the core problem of too many guns could be solved the same way other Anglophone nations did it.
However, your argument was very well written, and I appreciate both its intention and its focus on the human.
I’m open to a solution, but it’s unrealistic to expect Americans to give/sell back enough of their guns for it to work like it did in Australia.
We have A LOT more guns here, and each one lasts 100 years or more. We could give up 99% of them (we wouldn’t though) and there would still be like 6 million guns here.
Demanding people give up their guns would just cause an open civil war. The solution that worked in other countries wouldn’t work here because the ideology is different.
I have no faith that what has worked in europe would work here given the political and cultural landscape before us. If it was feasible for america I’m not sure we would be in this situation now.
I wish it was, you and me both, but until that changes I’m simply accepting the lay of the land for what it is and reacting accordingly. We can work towards a better solution in the meantime; these actions and thoughts are not mutually exclusive.
However, your argument was very well written, and I appreciate both its intention and its focus on the human.
Thanks for the kind words. It is rather annoying being the change I want to see in the world though.
We need more people who think like you
There’s more than you realize.
You likely don’t hear much about it because liberal gun owners don’t fetishize guns or base their personality around them like the chuds on the other side of the fence do. Guns are tools, not an identity.
Carrying doesn’t do crap for self defense. The moment a crazy asshole pulls their gun at you and shoots you won’t even be able to comprehend the situation quick enough and get your own piece out of the holster.
The crazy asshole always wins as they shoot first (they are usually cowards on top, so you might just get shot in the back).
More guns just leads to more crazy assholes with guns, I feel much safer in European countries.
It’s not about self defense in this case, I think. It’s about sending a message that they/we/the lefties ain’t gonna take it laying down. If you truly want to see the right shit themselves, start arming lefties.
You mean start arming black people. Fastest way to get gun regulation in the US.
In the situation you outline, yeah you’d have no real chance at protecting yourself. And those situations do happen in cases like the Las Vegas hotel shooting or any of the various school shootings we’re seeing all over these days.
In many other cases even the most craven assholes need to work themselves up to shoot another human being.
That means arguments, harassment and threats.
These are helpful advance warning signs that tell you that you’re entering dangerous waters and de-escalation tactics take priority. Many of our lady friends can already tell from a mile away if someone is dangerous even before they start flapping their mouthholes as a matter of everyday survival.
If all of that fails and I hope to god that it doesn’t, that’s when having a concealed weapon gives you a fighting chance at defending your right to live. Especially for women, guns are the great equalizer.
More guns just leads to more crazy assholes with guns
You’re right, this is true.
Unfortunately the cost of encountering a rather persistent strapped terrorist is extremely high even if the chance of it happening to you is low.
Well, I rather live in a country where pretty much no one is strapped (except police and military and even then not all of them).
Even the whole hero fantasy a lot of Americans have, it doesn’t work out. There is a famous video of someone shooting up a mall. A random guy carrying tried to sneak up on him. Then the girlfriend of the shooter popped him right in the head from behind (as he didn’t notice her following at a distance).
The bio of the victim from her store’s website:
Lauri Carleton’s career in fashion began early in her teens, working in the family business at Fred Segal Feet in Los Angeles while attending Art Center School of Design. From there she ran “the” top fashion shoe floor in the US at Joseph Magnin Century City. Eventually she joined Kenneth Cole almost from its inception and remained there for over fifteen years as an executive, building highly successful businesses, working with factories and design teams in Italy and Spain, and traveling 200 plus days a year.
With a penchant for longevity, she has been married to the same man for 28 years and is the mother of a blended family of nine children, the youngest being identical twin girls. She and her husband have traveled the greater part of the US, Europe and South America. From these travels they have nourished a passion for architecture, design, fine art, food, fashion, and have consequently learned to drink in and appreciate the beauty, style and brilliance of life. Their home of thirty years in Studio City is a reflection of this passion, as well as their getaway- a restored 1920’s Fisherman’s Cabin in Lake Arrowhead. Coveting the simpler lifestyle with family, friends and animals at the lake is enhanced greatly by their 1946 all mahogany Chris-Craft; the ultimate in cultivating a well appreciated and honed lifestyle.
Mag.Pi for Lauri is all about tackling everyday life with grace and ease and continuing to dream…
What a waste. A tragedy for that whole family for literally nothing. No reason at all other than small minded assholes.
Yeah, it’s the second civil war starting. Expect to see more terrible garbage like this on your feeds as we reach 2024 and beyond.
Yeah, it’s the second civil war starting
The first civil war never REALLY ended, just went a bit cold.
I’m curious, do you actually think there is going to be another civil war?
We’re literally already in one. We’ve been in a cold civil war for about a decade now (arguably the past few decades), and the war’s been growing hotter with every mass shooting and tragedy like this one.
This is how civil wars are fought in the modern age. It’s not all fancy suits and muskets. It’s large swaths of people with opposing views killing each other over it at every opportunity, like this one.
Why do you think school shootings happen? Or mass shootings in general? The vast majority of them are committed by members of right-wing hate groups and it’s part of this civil war they’ve been waging against the left. The whole point is to eradicate the left or force them to submit to their will.
A viewpoint like that is very subject to confirmation bias. Literally any crime is held up as evidence that it is correct. Look at the terms you are using “cold” “about a decade”. It isn’t a who, what, where, why, and how. It is vague.
Reverse it for a moment. Treat it like a claim in science. What evidence would you use to try to prove your hypothesis wrong?
My guy, it’s obvious to the rest of us what’s going on and if you can’t observe current events for five seconds and see it for yourself, nothing I ever tell you will change your mind.
The truth doesn’t depend on you believing it. All I have to do is express it. It’s up to you what you decide what you’re going to do with it. Listen to it and you have a chance to prepare and you might survive when it all blows up next year. Don’t and you won’t unless you get lucky – at the very least, you’ll suffer the way refugees of civil wars always do. It’s your choice.
These are rhetoric tricks. Refusing to defend your viewpoint and trying to use carrot+stick.
Why not answer my question? It will be easier than bring out stuff that would have been caught that easily.
It’s the truth. It’s like asserting that because I can’t give the scientific explanation for why the grass is green, it must not be, while I am pointing at the grass on the ground and showing you its color.
Again, it’s up to you to be willing to accept the reality in front of you and what has been happening innthis country for decades together. It’s up to you to be willing to overcome your own pride to save yourself and your family from what’s coming. I can only lead you to water. It is you who must choose to drink. Choose wisely. Your family depends on it.
The first civil war never ended. It entered a cold phasw for 150 years or so. That’s heating up now.
There were even people waving the battle flag of the Confederate army/navy when the neoconfederates invaded Congress on January 6, 2021.
I still can’t believe that these people are getting such light sentences for taking up arms and invading the Capitol.
If they were communists, they’d have been executed by now.
Here’s a podcast where the first handful of episodes lays out what it’d look like if a civil war were to happen and why the author thinks there’s a reasonable chance that it could happen.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/it-could-happen-here/id1449762156?i=1000433661458
The bar for starting a podcast is a 10 dollar headset.
You should probably look into the person behind it before you throw out your own worthless opinion that had no bar at all towards publication.
Show me what I said that was opinion. Oh I am sorry, was that a strawman?
I stated a fact. “The bar for starting a podcast is a 10 dollar headset.”
Oh so that was a non sequitur unrelated to the podcast link posted, since you didn’t specifically criticise that specific podcast?
Robert Evans is a journalist btw
I haven’t listened to the podcast, so maybe I’m wrong… but isn’t the “it” in “it could happen here” referring to fascism, not a second civil war?
Pretty important distinction imo
I do really like Robert Evans, but this is something I wholeheartedly disagree with. Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo could definitely happen, but I think it’s far more likely that we’ll see an American version of The Troubles. I don’t think there are enough people who would truly be willing to fight and die over this; but there’s plenty of people willing to commit terrorist bombings or acts of sabotage if they think they can get away with it.
I think the most likely scenario is a dissolution limitation, similar to what happened with the soviet union.
The Soviet Union didn’t collapse from political rhetoric and hurt feelings.
And the morons with enough guns and ammo to fight a war are far too economically comfortable to want actually want one.
If the shit really ever did hit the fan having a few chickens and a garden is going to get you a lot farther than a few thousand rounds.
there aren’t enough psychopaths to have a civil war over lgbt flags
Don’t tempt fate by challenging it.
if there’s a civil war that stupid, then the country deserves to end
Nah, it’s just a chance to finish the job Reconstruction failed to do.
Lmao.
While I agree that is what should happen, there is literally nothing about current day Democrats that makes me think they’ll actually take the hard stance and punish people for their actions. We’ll have Biden or whoever is in charge at the time saying some bullshit “we need to heal now. We’ve been though rough times, let’s welcome our neighbors back home. Blah blah blah no repercussions other than for the ring leaders.”
Honestly, it should have ended a long time ago.
why are they downvoting you? fuck america suck my balls lmao
Because they support the status quo at all costs, even their own family’s lives. That’s what propaganda does to a motherfucker.
Bring it on fate. You useless fucking concept developed by village shamans
Not just the shamen, but the shawomen, and shachildren, too!
These same people couldn’t go three weeks without a haircut in 2020. There are some who’ll shoot someone over a pride flag, but not enough to fight a war. They’d be begging to surrender the first time their grocery order doesn’t arrive.
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Actually American gun owners have about 78-157 billion bullets stockpiled between them, most of them right-wing. They regularly train with their weapons and have made this second civil war into an important aspect of their culture. A lot of them believe it’s the end times because the book of revelations talks of brother turning against brother.
The left is actually woefully untrained and outmatched, and that’s because of years of nonviolence being browbeaten over their heads and used to propagandize them to do nothing to meaningfully advance any of their causes. The left was fattened up with decades of propaganda and are now ready for the slaughter.
So is the right, really. The only ones who are going to win this coming civil war are the BRICS countries.
OH MAN IM SO SCARED
Oh look, found an antifascist. Yeah, you guys are way too little in number to really be able to do anything about them and you guys know it. There is over a hundred million of them armed to the teeth and a few thousand of you, tops.
Look in the thread. A lot of these motherfuckers even deny that a second civil war is starting or has been going on. They cling too closely to their narrative that it’s just hopelessly misguided brainwashed chumps committing random acts of violence instead of seeing it for what it really is: a collective act from a fascist political faction, and they cling to it because letting it go would send them down a spiral of fear because they cannot cope with the very real possibility they’ll likely die at the hands of one of those cultists unless they change their perceptions and prepare.
So what makes you think you’ll get the manpower to really stop the right? Can you convince enough left wingers that using violence against those scumfucks is okay in time? Can you convince the denialists in the thread to change their minds?
Right wing gun owners average BMI is like 40+
All the guns in the world won’t help you win a war if you can barely walk a mile without getting winded.
Has anyone ever done a study or survey on that?
Your ass is not a legitimate source to pull facts from.
Statistical averages are, however. 47% of Americans own a gun. They have on average 500-1000 bullets on hand at any one time, enough for one or two trips to their gun ranges, which totals up to 78 to 157 billion bullets.
Just because you are insulted when faced with the fact that the left is woefully unprepared for that does not make it not true. Reality does not bend to your wishes.
You can either accept the facts as I present them to you and prepare yourself, or when this whole thing blows up next year, suffer. Your choice.
I’ve seen enough Doomsday Peppers to know that these “prepared” right wingers will be gasping for breath on the floor when it actually comes time to run and do something physically strenuous. Fat fucks couldn’t even breath through a thin mask, their brain cells are the only thing they’ll slaughter due to lack of oxygen.
That’s what you hope. The reality is that they’re armed and militant, and people will be shocked when they start going door to door.
Flat out stupidity, this comment
Yes, they have a lot of guns. On the other hand, we’ve had to tell them, at least twice in my lifetime, not to drink bleach to cure diseases.
They won’t last a week.
They’re really, really not as stupid as you think and underestimating them to make yourself feel better will only result in suffering for you and yours. It’s enabled them to do so much damage already.
If they’re really so stupid, how did they manage to pack the courts and get abortion banned? Get Trump elected?
They said the same things in Germany in the 1930s
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I don’t think they did.
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They would have been correct as far as Germany not having a civil war. However, it was because too few opposed the Nazis, not because the country did not contain enough “psychopaths”.
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