This move makes zero sense to me. Why, change it? It’s not it’s official name or international recognized name so wtf
Distraction from:
- closing down the Consumer Protection Agency, USAID, and the Education Agency
- cutting off funding to the universities
- stealing our student, treasury and health records while taking over the purse
- not following federal judge’s orders
- building an unregulated concentration camp in Cuba
- etc.
Edit: That’s why trump did it. All tech companies are in his hands now.
No, there are no smokescreens. Trump is literally this stupid. Don’t attribute to maliciousness what can be attributed to narcissism.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to post this somewhere else:
“The opposition party is the media,” Steve Bannon, who helped run Trump’s 2016 campaign, told PBS Frontline five years ago. “And the media can only — because they’re dumb and they’re lazy — they can only focus on one thing at a time.”
So the solution, per Bannon? Overwhelm them.
“All we have to do is flood the zone,” he said. “Every day we hit them with three things. They’ll bite on one, and we’ll get all of our stuff done, bang, bang, bang. These guys will never — will never be able to recover. But we’ve got to start with muzzle velocity.”
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5289315/trump-week-in-review
Curry favor with the trump admin
If something as ridiculous currys favor and infkuence with Trump the USA is truly coming to an end.
I’ll remind you of freedom fries.
It’s not coming to an end as in no longer existing, but it absolutely is as a world power. Maybe it will be for the better in the long run.
To be clear, they’ve changed names in line with official government policy before, not just for Trump’s admin.
Yeah but that makes too much sense for emotional & reactional people that don’t rely on logic
They are a private organization with the right to say “lol that’s nice”, and leave it as the gulf of mexico. Executive orders direct government policy.
I get what you’re saying, but the renaming itself is entirely an act of emotion and reaction, with no trace of logic, too. It’s pretty much all we should expect to see from anyone for a while.
And it will undoubtedly pay off for them. This is the first brazenly tech oligarchy-driven administration.
Remember who was at Trump’s inauguration? Musk, obviously, but also:
- Tim Cook, CEO of Apple
- Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon
- Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta
- Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet
.
Trump, a populist president, is flanked by tech billionaires at his inaugurationTim Apple isn’t your friend, either. No oligarch is.
I was hoping Apple wouldn’t be there considering Tim is openly gay
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Openly gay, but secretly a billionaire.
He donated to Trump right from his pockets. He’s a traitor.
The USA is now part of a list of “sensitive countries” with authoritarian states with their own version of reality. When users in one of the countries on this list visit Google sites, they see that government’s version of reality. This is nothing new. Google does it all the time with disputed territories. It’s only news because it’s the first time the US has an authoritarian government.
Here’s how it looks when visiting from a Mexican device with the language set to Australian English while located in Hungary.
Edit: undoxxed myself lol
…looks pretty much the same on bing maps, except they’re so committed that they named it twice…
In Google maps set to Polish while in the UK, it shows
Zatoka Meksykańska (Zatoka Amerykańska)
Which translates to
Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)
Google maps set to Danish in Denmark is the exact same 🤦♂️
But who would want to play golf there
I think I heard that Trump did it because he thinks it gets him around some Biden era rule that he can’t reverse that bans oil drilling in parts of the “Gulf of Mexico.” It’s really stupid. Exxon and Chevron have both “acknowledged” the name change.
Oh that makes sense. Like when muskrat tried to get out of Twitter suis because the name changed.
pleasing the power, so they remove any law that protect our privacy against google prying eye
Then you must not be paying much attention, or have an understanding of how capitalism functions (nor of how and why it inevitably decays in to fascism).
I also find the word “America” too latino. wouldn’t it be better to change it with an English word?
It could be simply because they can do it, peasant
Thayana good point. I need to remember my place in this world 🤣
Should look up what they want to rename Greenland
SMH… Red, White and Blue-land…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161
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Ass kissing pure and simple. Kneel to the dictator level shit.
Why change it?
White supremacy.
To be fair:
I’m American and my phone is set up in the US with region being the US.
For me it’s extra strange. If I zoom out, I see “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”. However when I zoom in it changes to just “Guild of America”.
I’m American also in the US.
You have to zoom in sooo much too for it to say Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America). Weird. Makes no sense why Google would do this except to schmooze up to Little-Hands Trump.
If you zoom in to 1m resolution and then slowly zoom out, you’ll see the name change back and forth several times. Very odd.
So it’s as stable as our government right now?
It’s the same for europeans, just in a different language.
Hahaha I thought Google was benevolently collecting my personal data for my own good. I consented right? /s
Something adjacent to degoogling: I am concerned that Microsoft would collaborate with the Trump Regime. I never used Linux before, but I am now downloading Ubuntu. It feels like that I should do a dual-boot setup and get ready to abandon Windows if I hear about MS HQ in Washington having a DOGE presence.
Here’s hoping that Europe and the Blue States are watching Microsoft for anything weird.
Organic Maps is still keeping it real for me
Planet America, orbiting the American sun, in the galaxy called America
The Galaxy of (truth, Justice, and) the American Way!
I will continue deadnaming the gulf with the name assigned at birth. It’s just going through a phase.
It probably had names before but what did the Mayans call it?
Apparently…
The Maya referred to the Gulf as Chactemal, meaning “the red place,” likely referencing the reddish hues of the water at sunset or its fertile coastlines. Indigenous names were often descriptive, reflecting geographical features or spiritual beliefs tied to the environment. Unfortunately, much of this indigenous nomenclature was lost or overwritten during European colonization.
Link. I’m sure there are better ones. Hard to find good sources.
“There’s no saving America – we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. Burn it down! And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed!”
— Senator Armstrong.
Time to make the mother of all omelettes. Can’t fret over every egg!
Organic Maps:
Organic Maps is really cool :-)
Yeah, it’s even better than GMaps for me, because GMaps doesn’t have bike navigation (where I live) while Organic Maps has all the bike lanes marked and navigatable.
Yeah it’s way better for biking and walking. I also find the map a lot more coherent, with GMaps I often had to resort to the satellite view to see what’s going on.
Organic maps updates its dataset once a month or so. It will eventually be updated to the gulf of America, as it is now, technically named the gullf of America in America. See discussion here: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571
Seems like that it is going to be not renamed but they’re adding a “official” tagged name, which is the Gulf of America.
Degoogled since 2018
hardcore mode, google domains blocked by DNS
YouTube scrap data
GrapheneOS with used Pixel
“degoogle” - uses Google phone
It’s a funny irony but a Pixel with GrapheneOS is the gold standard for mobile device security. Buy it secondhand and cut out their profit.
Sure, sure. As long as you can trust Google’s custom silicon and custom security processor. I sure as fuck don’t, regardless of what Graphene OS claims. They are going to need to go to much greater lengths to assure me of that, and I can pretty much guarantee the Graphene devs won’t be able to do that.
What’s the alternative?
Honestly? In 2025? In the real world? Apple is the only alternative. And it really actually hurts my soul to type this reply out. I hate Apple. I think they are clowns. I hate closed platforms, and I think Mac’s are trash because of it. I have used every single version of Android. All of them, even pre-stable. The only alternative to Google is 2025, in regards to a mobile OS that works with my services and devices that I already own is iOS. The only way to get that is to buy a phone from Apple. And ‘normies’ care VERY MUCH about being able to use their already purchased shit. I wish Europe or Asia would actually try to compete against US big tech. It’s a very strange marketplace, nearly the entire planet trusts US companies with basically their entire infrastructure. The only major players in computing are US based companies, aside from MAYBE Canonical/Ubuntu. In the mobile market, I don’t see a way out of the duopoly at the current moment. If my phone died today I would replace it with an iPhone. And I wouldn’t be happy about it.
Apple is the only alternative.
Nah. Fuck Apple! I know it may be too much but they’re dead to me after I bought AN OFFICIAL REFURBISHED Apple device for my dad (old had problems) and received it with a motherboard problem (?), it couldn’t read the sim for more than 1 hour straight. Contacted support multiple times and “Try this useless troubleshooting steps you already tried countless times” or "The sim is ruined so it doesn’t touch the sim pins correctly (or some bs like that) " or “It’s your carrier” or “From our remote tests, the phone works perfectly” or other Apple shit I forgot. After my last call I said “You either take my phone and check it or refund me”, they took it to check if was the phone, got it back ~2 days later FUCKING WORKING as it should. I guess was really the sim, not the phone 🤔🤔
The worst part is: They didn’t even care to give me something in return for the trouble! No, not money but they could’ve extended my warranty for a month or 2 as an apology but “Nah, we can’t. Fuck you now”
I’m reading this as Apple fixed your refurbished phone like you asked them to. I do not see how you should be entitled to extra warranty because of this, or any other compensation. I can assure you that Google would also not extend your warranty for an issue of this nature. My friend is dealing with pixel warranty support as we speak and it sure as hell doesn’t sound any better. I totally understand ‘writing off’ a company after you feel personally wronged by them, but I wasn’t including warranty issues on refurbished phones in my requirements for my next mobile device. You asked what the alternative is and realistically that’s the only one for 99.99% of the population.
Nah. If it’s a choice between GrapheneOS on a pixel or an iPhone I’d take my chances with the pixel.
It would be pretty easy to detect if there was unexpected traffic with any google services.
You do you but IMO Graphene is your best chance in 2025.
Nah. If it’s a choice between GrapheneOS on a pixel or an iPhone I’d take my chances with the pixel.
Why? Not trying to be a dick about it, I just want to hear your justification. Thanks.
My choice is to just not have a smartphone. Something like an old Nokia is what I use, CatB40 specifically but the company licensed to make those no longer exists. I hope Cat find someone else and they still make a line of dumb phones not just smartphones but I don’t really expect it any time soon.
If mine dies probably just get a regular dumbphone for like £10. Can’t collect much data if all it’s capable of doing is calls and SMS which I rarely even use.
That’s super cool for you. If I didn’t work in IT I might try to achieve something similar. But honestly suggesting that the average person on the street go back in time almost 20 years in regards to their mobile device is just going to get you laughed out of the room. Do you use mobile banking? Do you carry a camera around with you at all times? Do you listen to music? For me music is a big one, I’m not listening to any god damned radio commercials and I don’t have CD player in my car anymore. How would you entertain yourself on a long car ride alone in this scenario? Do you have any IoT or smart home devices? How do you interact with them? I know a few people that are a bit older than me that don’t ‘get’ smartphones but then use a tablet on the couch pretty often. My uncle doesn’t have a smartphone, and is kinda smug about it, but also doesn’t really leave the house without his android tablet. I guess if you don’t actually want to do any computing on the go a dumb phone is fine for short texts and phone calls, but finding one that works with 5G is another challenge these days.
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For me Linux has been working pretty well
Linux on a mobile phone? Which device? Which Distribution? What works 'pretty well? What doesn’t work all that well?
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On a phone ?
Leaked Cellbrite docs indicated they couldn’t get in. I’d consider that pretty reasonable assurance. If you’re implying that Google has a backdoor… I think the argument against large/unstable conspiracies would apply.
This is so much horseshit I can’t even begin to unpack it. You really think those docs aren’t edited? They are 100% verified truth? That is a hunch at best. And so is my claim, it’s a ‘vibe’. I have zero proof of my claims, but I wouldn’t do anything I consider ‘secure’ on any Android device.
There is no fucking way in hell I would consider any Android device a secure device, in any way shape or form. It is, at best, a controlled device that most users do not have control over.
And claiming that anyone that doesn’t buy into the cellblite ‘leaks’ is a conspiracy theorist is also horseshit. (Or any leaks for that matter)
You can literally monitor the outbound DNS on a pixel with graphene and no apps and you’ll see zero DNS requests to any Google servers. Quit spredding FUD
100% These people think they are sticking it to Google by buying a pixel and installing a custom ROM. Instead they just inflated Google’s user count.
This will be a problem until a non-google open OS is adopted for mobile phones. Right now that list is incredibly short and nothing competes in the flagship department. I don’t see it changing anytime soon because gen x and millenials may be the last generations that have a signifigant portion of itself that has a grasp of how computers work beyond “tap app icon, app does things”.
Thing I took for granted like how a file system works is lost on my kids (late Z early alpha). Explaining what a file extension is like teaching a new language. I used to think “training wheels” for learning computering via tablets and phones and touch screens were a good thing but there is nothing that compels people today to shed themselves of them. It feels very reminiscent of my childhood and teaching my boomer dad how to right click. I think computer literacy needs to be required education, but I’m afraid that the definition for computer literacy might be meaningless nowadays if it doesn’t go beyond open app store, install app, run app.
US public education computer literacy is dead, and it’s not going to get better for at least 5+ years, best case scenario. Even if the person that is elected after Trump is a Democrat, it will take years to rebuild to where we were before big tech started bribing school IT departments. You think Apple/Google/Microsoft give a flying fuck about computer literacy being taught in schools? Because that’s who currently decide the computer literacy program that the public school will provide. Whichever vendor they decide to go with. At this point I’m not convinced that Google is a better choice than the others, but it’s also akin to choosing the least shitty sandwich at a shit-sandwich buffet.
In hindsight, this has been a downward trend since the proliferation of smart phones circa 2012. Google (android) isn’t the best choice, but it is much better being open source over other ecosystems namely Apple. There is also an issue I strongly suspect that wireless carriers wouldn’t allow open hardware/software on their networks because they have baked in restrictions in the major OSes on how you can access the network like tethering. I don’t expect that to change for the better either because even when net neutrality was a thing wireless was exempt from the rules. Kinda reminds me how back in the day ISPs had to be forced to offer naked DSL (internet from the phone company without requiring phone service). This all has deep issues that won’t be resolved anytime soon if ever. I’m putting my money on Linux becoming an actual threat to Microsoft and Apple in the desktop, laptop, handheld space and then that spreading into the mobile and tablet space. Depending on how Apple and Google antitrust situations are handled, we could start to see a shift by the end of the decade at best. This is why the tech sector will cozy up and do the bidding of whoever is in power. They won’t run the risk of drawing the ire of the government to break up their monopolies so long as the party in power believes tech companies are in their party’s pocket. This shift happened when Biden’s election was inevitable toward Democrat favored polices and it’s happening now for Republican favord polices since the last Biden Trump debate made a Trump victory inevitable.
My points are the tech sector is blatantly doing whatever it can to keep its power and change won’t happen quickly if it happens at all.
This trend started waaaay before 2012. When I graduated highschool the only computer class that was offered was a basic MS Office and advanced MS office. The people making these type of decisions for public schools are rarely tech literate themselves, they physically cannot make an informed choice. This will not be resolved until big tech is dissolved, or strong regulations are pushed by the voting population. If anyone wants their children to be tech literate I recommend getting your kids in front of a keyboard and mouse instead of a touchscreen as early as you would allow them to use a tablet. The tablet will be easier for both of you, and that’s exactly what they want.
GrapheneOS is not a custom ROM and I bought my phone second-hand, so I didn’t give my money directly to Google
Same, same. Fuck Google.
I’m never going back.
Preferred search engine?
SearXNG, personally.
I’ve been using startpage floor about a year now, has worked great.
Isn’t that just Google with an extra MITM for everything? Sure it protects your privacy a little bit but the same bad actors are still getting their ad revenue from your searches, correct? Or do I just not understand how start page works?
Not sure how ad revenue works. Do they get paid, if no ads are shown? Or is it because of SEO and the search results that come up first that give ad revenue?
Self hosted Searxng for me
I just did literally the only thing I CAN do, which is rate it 1 star and call out their spinelessness. I’m sure this token, irrelevant act will be ignored at best or manually removed at worst. But until they drag me off to the gulag I’m absolutely not going to shut up and play along.
Fuck Trump, Musk, their MAGA cult, and anyone who enables or colludes with them or fails to fight back.
Yes, Tim Apple bent the knee, but the company seems to be holding steadfast.
Edit God dammit, they changed it. Cowards.
It’s not google’s fault. It was told to do so and has. Does anyone seriously expect them not to have done this?
Every American company, or company doing business in America, needs to toe the line of an unpredictable and vindictive president, especially one as fat and tempting as Google.
Now there’ll be a disconnect in mapping between what some sources say and what others do, but anyone with a little history knowledge knows this isn’t the first time.
There’s no legal requirement to comply.
This is voluntary
look, fuck google for many reasons, but not this. this is just keeping your head down and trying to survive the shit storm.
When they start rounding up trans people and deporting them to concentration camps, I’ll remember that the person shoving me into the train is just trying to keep his head down and weather the storm.
oh, i can hear the violins playing now.
of course you made this into something about trans people when it will likely be anyone who opposes them. ya’ll are gonna get slaughtered. wise up.
Their stated policy is to put trans people and illegal immigrants in camps.
They’re the first group being targeted.
In nazi Germany they had a name for those who kept their heads down and tried to survive the shitstorm. They were called Nazis.
To be fair, you shouldn’t call everyone a nazi.
My grandparents ran away from the Japanese soldiers during the Japanese Invasion of China. Most of their village doesn’t consider them “collaborators” or “汉奸” (Han-Traitor). They did what they had to to survive. Fleeing from conflict is not the same as collaboration. Those who fled from the Taliban shouldn’t be labeled as “Islamic Extremists”. Ukranians who fled the draft shouldn’t be labeled as “Russian Sympathizers”.
But that’s only for individuals, civillians, not corporations or politicians. Google definitely has no excuses. But the point I’m trying to make is: unless someone actually help the fascists, they shouldn’t be labeled as “nazis”. It’s not morally wrong to give in to human survival instincts and run away from conflict. If Anne Frank successfully fled nazi Germany, you wouldn’t call her a “nazi”, right?
Anne Frank wasn’t “keeping her head down to avoid the shitstorm” so I wouldn’t say that’s even close to equivalent.
ooo. somebody’s looking to score some upvotes for their virtue signaling.
well, i’ll tell ya what boss… how about you get out there and start killing nazi’s then. otherwise you are one (by your own reasoning)
That’s what a nazi would say.
Don’t worry, I’m already on the case.
good.
and if you’re implying that i’m the problem, then by all means, come and get me. i’d love to give you a lesson in getting shit done.
We found an Internet tough guy, everyone back up! While we were busy virtue signaling this guy studied deez nuts.
not true. You should read what’s written back then
not all Germans were considered NAZIs. Heck, not all Germans were even considered Germans.
Why is everything black/white with lemmings?
Nah, fuck them 100% - and this is just icing.
look, if you’re a soulless corporation just trying to deliver profits to shareholders, this is 100% the right move.
the problem is not refusing to go along with some meaningless gesture based in ignorant nationalism. the problem is that we live in capitalism, where the right move is always the one that delivers profits. decisions lacking humanity are always going to get made. focusing on this nothingburger just distracts from the bigger picture.
if you want results, destroy capitalism.
if you want results, destroy capitalism
Says the person defending google…
You don’t destroy capitalism by making concessions to mega-corp. If you truly want to destroy capitalism, you should be constantly taking every shot you can.
i’m not defending them. i’m just trying to temper your expectations. there’s a lot of uproar of pikachu shocked face stuff. it’s all symptoms of the illness. you will be slapping band aids on shit forever if you don’t attack the root cause of the illness.
sometimes i think you all just want stuff to be outraged over. maybe you just like to post about it and get upvotes. maybe you just want to be part of an in-group.
does that assumption bother you? because it bothers me that you think i’m pro-capitalism just because i won’t join in on your circle jerk.
Reading through your post history I am inferring that you believe you’re smarter than everyone (due to pretty much a complete absence of any kind of snark for about a week. I didn’t go back further than that). I don’t believe you’re very smart. You’re the type of “leftist” that causes division amongst the left. That being said; yes, I believe you’re pro-capitalist. So with that, I block you.
this is just keeping your head down and trying to survive the shit storm
They aren’t a mom&pop small bussiness, they are a multi-national multi-billion dollar conglomerate that spans almost the entire world. They can afford to take the risk. They can “lobby” (aka: bribe) the government and get them to back off. Also, as far as I know, there were no legal requirement of mapmakers to change it. It’s always legal under the first amendment for mapmakers to make an “incorrect” map.
The 2nd richest company on the planet is not afraid of the US government they own.
Yeah, right. Of course it is. Ever tell a dictator no? They’re very forgiving.
I’m not in the USA, I am not a US citizen. No reason I should be seeing this while I’m in the EU.
That would make sense if they didn’t also change in Europe…
The renaming only applies to US federal agencies. Google is (supposedly) not a federal agency, so yes, it is their fault.
The irony is that it doesn’t specify which America.
Google goes full mask off. What a terrible look. This is it, this is what I needed to see to make the final push to move away from Google. My next phone will probably be an iPhone, and I’m not excited about it. I’ve almost completely degoogled my android device, I’m testing immich right now and the only things left that I rely on are maps and YouTube. I also buy a lot of my ebooks and comics from Google, but never again. There’s no way I’m buying a phone that’s supported by Google after this change. There’s no way I’m spending any amount of money on Google play at this point, or any other Google owned platform. Zero. And it really sucks, because android is the closest thing we have to an open phone platform. Maybe someday a GNU/Linux phone will actually be viable, but today it isn’t and that only leaves me running to Apple as a savior. It’s too bad that Google can’t compete on a technology level, instead of gargling Trump’s balls.
Buy a second hand Pixel and flash GrapheneOS on it.
Pinephone + dumb phone is a valid option though. The only thing my pinephone struggled with was calls/sms, so the dumb phone handles that.
Does pinephone even have verified boot / secure boot?
Also, dumbphones are much more susceptable to malware.
How do they get malware, you don’t even connect them to the internet
SMS/MMS message
I fully believe that combination works well. I also fully believe that if you asked a random person off the street to trade in their smartphone for two devices that only have partial functionality you would get told to go F yourself. I don’t think it’s a ‘valid’ option in 2025, and I would love to know what the average person on the street would say if they actually hear you out on all the benefits. I’m a ‘tech enthusiast’ I guess and a long time FOSS lover. I have been daily driving Linux for over 15 years at this point. I’m not sure if I would put up with two half-phones in my pockets all day everyday, and I know my friends would laugh at the idea. I almost purchased a PinePhone on more than a few orders from the Pine store but I keep holding off for thing to become stable enough to use the phone as a phone.
Yeah I now only use the dumb phone on a day to day.
For replacing youtube, use https://grayjay.app/
Also, why do you leave your de-googled device? Just don’t pay for stuff on their store and use alternative stores with anonymous access like Aurora store or just go full f-droid.
I use iodéOS and am very happy with it. Easy de-googled life.
Grayjay is nice, not perfect but getting better all the time. I won’t buy a new device because of this, I unfortunately just purchased a new phone on a Black Friday deal. But there is no way in hell I’m going to inflate android’s user base with my next device purchase. That’s where I draw the line, no more Google hardware or software purchases. Zero. I’m sure as fuck not buying a Pixel, or buying anything through Google’s marketplace. I’m not buying another Android device, and I’m not sure if there is anything that could change my mind at this point. Google is dead to me after this.
It’s important to remember that Google is an adtech business first and foremost. It’s basically the only way they can generate cash. ADtech relies on user counts and active users to negotiate prices and other business deals. I’m not helping Google facilitate those business practices in the future. Buying a used pixel and putting Graphene on it sounds great in principle, but you are 110% adding yourself to the pool of Google pixel users, inflating the value of Google’s advertising business. You don’t get to opt out of that user count, even if you are 101% ‘degoogled’ your are going to be counted as a Google phone owner. Because you would be.
That’s where I draw the line, no more Google hardware or software purchases. Zero. I’m sure as fuck not buying a Pixel, or buying anything through Google’s marketplace
Refurbished? I get what you mean but at the same time you can still have a Google phone without paying Google. That’s what I did with my Pixel 8 and I’m happy with it, I kinda miss a few features of my Samsung phone but nothing crazy (face unlock and auto unlock if pin is correct)
Edit: Uh I just read the second half 🤦♂️ I don’t really see the problem here
You cannot purchase a Pixel without positively affecting Google’s profit margins. It’s not possible, you own a pixel you are a Google phone owner. If you are a Google phone owner you count towards their user counts, which directly affects the price they can negotiate for their ad business. The larger their userbase is, the more they can charge. The more ad business they get the more leverage they have. It doesn’t matter that you block everything from Google at that point. It doesn’t matter that you purchased your phone from somebody other than Google, regardless of the new/used condition. You can never interact with Google in any way shape or form, but the fact that you own a Google phone is giving them more leverage and more power. I know I’m getting down votes all over this thread for holding this position, I don’t care and I think it’s important for people to be honest with themselves. Graphene might be a great option, it might even be the best option today from a privacy standpoint, but it doesn’t mean that there aren’t huge issues with buying a phone from Google to get it. It also doesn’t mean that the entire android community should give up on making something that works on non-Google devices, which is unfortunately how I feel at this point. If you don’t want to buy a pixel then the Android community is almost completely worthless in 2025. And at that point I might as well run an iPhone. I’m not trying to say anyone is a bad person for making these choices. ‘There is no ethical consumption under capitalism’. I’m saying that my choice going forward is to not give that company any more money or power if I can help it. And the most effective way I can do that is to not purchase anything they have their hands in.
I’m also not claiming that the other options are good either, but at this point it’s becoming harder for me to ignore this crap.
I don’t care about ads, I block them since 2020 and everyone should do that, period. Apple is a no go for the reason I said below
Nobody cares if you care about ads. The largest companies humanity have ever known are ADtech businesses.
You completely missed my point because of your apple hatred, literally the definition of a fanboy. I have never owned an apple product but I’m not going to deny the reality of the situation to justify my past purchases.
Fanboy of what?
Apple is not better than Google btw
APPLE?
THEY DONATED MILLIONS TO TRUMP’S INAUGURAL FUND
There is no ethical consumption undercapitalism. Google, Apple, whatever, its all the same evil, “pick your poison” situation.
(This map rename is tame in comparison to the political donations that EVERY corporation does. You’ll have to boycott like almost every company if you want to avoid that)
