And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
AOC is 100% correct.
She’s saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It’s good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
We’re so far away from a McConnell style “We’re going to make Obama a one-term President” moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make’n deals for your district’s rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
Updoots to the left
She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
Except for the people with gender neutral names
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The people getting angry at pronouns sadly don’t care or don’t think about it.
They just want someone to be mad at
i have a question - where is Kamala Harris in all this ? She lost the prez race and decided to just give up on her dreams of creating a better USA? This is the perfect moment for her to step up, invite people for resistance, lead that resistance and be the leader she claimed to be.
She was a failed candidate in 2020, picked based largely on identity for VP by a presidential nominee that was really only liked as a remnant from a administration for which he was also picked largely based on identity. Towed the party line during increasing displeasure with the party heads, then failed spectacularly in an election.
Even if I believed she truly had dreams of creating a better USA, it’s best for her to not be prominent member.
She’s taking the money from the DNC debt and hiding until she can flee the country from Trump and act like she’s saving us by having a political leader in exile.
At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala Harris is the new Hillary Clinton. The GOP boogeyman and now political poison after she embarrassingly lost to Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris was deeply unpopular both before and during the Biden administration, and (sorry to say it, but it’s true) she was largely picked because there was pressure for Biden to pick a minority female to “balance out” the fact that he was a white man. You know how some people, particularly (but not entirely) on the right, believe that affirmative action means that minorities end up getting positions that they otherwise probably wouldn’t have gotten because someone needs to fill a “diversity quota” or whatever? That’s how a lot of people felt about Harris – picked not because of her qualifications, but because she was a black woman.
She’s basically been the poster child for this as far as the GOP is concerned ever since. And not in a good way. Right now, with anti-DEI sentiment gaining traction in this country at a record pace and DEI initiatives becoming political battery acid, the last thing you want as the face of the movement is someone believed to be the poster child for DEI initiatives run amok.
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Kamala is 100% corporate Dem, and they helped create this mess. She has zero interest in recognizing that she was and is part of the problem.
I do not think AOC has remote same appeal or adeptness of rhetoric to ever do something like this. Would recommend listening to MLKs speeches if haven’t already. Someone like that will come eventually, but they can’t be forced into that position. Also, the situation has to call for it. If it were possible to wake up and choose to be MLK we’d have a million.
Kamala lost and she lost badly. She’s not going to be the figurehead
it wasn’t that badly by the numbers, it was badly by the electoral college….
incidentally trump won every and only states that passed new voter suppression laws….this election was stolen and that’s only one piece of it….
i still hate kamala, but she won.
She lost the ec and the popular vote though
technically but that was hella stolen….
https://youtu.be/F9gCyRkpPe8
And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
Do people not understand yet that we have moved beyond that world now? No more Democrats vs. Republicans and any of that “how to win an election” stuff. It’s over.
The elite Democrats aren’t worried about fighting back.
They are trying to figure out how they can win the next round AND HOW THEY WILL USE THE SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE ONCE THEY REGAIN CONTROL.
We need another party that is actually for the people.
Green party right there
Stop nominating psycho con artists and we can talk.
Democratic Party: “The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
Democrat voters: “Oh my god! The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
They’re not wrong
Oh yeah, could be, but they had jack shit to back it up.
Hasn’t been relevant since Nader, has no brand power, might as well start from scratch.
I’d love to see them do something other than show up every 4 years and only for President, too.
That brand has been ruined, as far as I can tell. Also, the name just screams single issue…
Yup, the “only turning up to attempt to spoil the presidential race for the democrat candidate every 4 years” just screams “Russian plant” to me. If they actually wanted to affect change, they would start at the local level and grow from there. But they aren’t actually interested in changing anything; They just want to poach votes from democrats, to hand the win to republicans.
At best, if we assume they actually have good intentions, they’re the equivalent of jumping straight into the deep end of the pool without even knowing how to swim. Except they keep jumping in every 4 years, despite the fact that they have put zero effort into learning how to swim.
They are active throughout all the year. Just that they get ignored by the corporate media until it is election time. Almost as if the corporate media has an interest to only use them for diversion and not in honestly representing their political positions.
There is green partys all over the world and they cover all political topics.
What do you want parties to be called to not sound single issue?
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a yet to develop position on electric vehicle subsidies…
And one of their opponents would be:
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a no subsidies for electric vehicles but more for public transport…
So the PPURREFEWREPRDYDPEVS vs. the PPURREFEWREPRDNSEVMPT
EDIT: Why are people downvoting this? The argument that a party name would “scream single issue” is obviously an insincere argument. No party has a name to represent all their political positions and there is green parties all over Europe, many of which have been part of state or federal governments. It is just absurd to claim their name to “scream single issue”.
Look, I’m just saying that looking like they are only about the environment is a non-starter in the USA, anyway. Hate to say it, but the Green Party is more or less a punchline in the United States. When it comes down to it, everyone wants clean air and clean water - even the cons don’t want pollution where THEY live (and most normal Americans understand the stakes when it comes to climate change).
But as a brand…the qons have done so much to smear anyone concerned primarily with environmental things as just a hippy-dippy granola dipstick that is into jam bands - it’s a caricature for sure, but it works.
A party needs to have broader appeal than just that.
But people don’t consider the Republicans as a single issue party, that want a republic, or the Democrats as a single issue party, that want democratic elections.
For the green parties, claiming them to be single issue is a narrative that is repeated, for instance by corporate media that does not want people to realize that there is more progressive political positions than privatized healthcare and a limited number of sick days.
Not sure what to tell you - do you see a lot of working class people that barely have the time/inclination to pay attention to things past glancing at headlines to realize that the Green party - which again, has been branded by most of the radical right and the “liberal media” already?
I’m just saying what is. They’d have a lot to work on to gain the trust of Americans beyond this branding, though. People are not going to forget Nader and Stein so easily and many of us are still quite angry about it. There is virtually nothing from them on the local level as well. Trying to do it top-down just isn’t going to do anything, anyway. Suppose they somehow managed to get a President elected. Then what?
Alright if that’s your view of it then fine, punch them down, but prop something up that’s suitable. America is on fire right now. The people need something to rally behind that isn’t MAGA. All the opposition wants to do is infight. There’s nothing uniting everyone except Fuck Trump.
Did it matter in WW2 that the Allies didn’t have more to rally behind than Fuck Hitler? Anything is more suitable than fascism.
WWII was Hitler and friends going out and killing the neighbors. If he was just an asshole, the war wouldn’t have happened.
you still talk to democrats, curious.
Green “Sitting Down With Putin For Dinner” Party?
Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs…
Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs…
Its a big club and you ain’t in it.
A big part of politics is interfacing with people you might not agree with. It’s called diplomacy.
Are we talking about Conservatives or Greens? Because I just heard we shouldn’t associate with Greens because Vladimir Putin. But cozying up to Trump, MBS, and… checks notes Vladimir Putin is fine because you’re interfacing with people?
Like, talking to Putin directly is good. But talking to Jill Stein is bad because she talked to Putin. But then talking to Hilary is fine again, even though she also talked with Putin?
Right? I make no bones about the situation at all…
How big is the green party?
How many of them do you suppose vote in the green party primaries?
How many people do you think it might take to just walk in and take it over?
What if I don’t believe in the healing power of crystals?
“We’re literally losing our democracy!!!”
votes for it to continue for the 200th time in a row
“How could this happen?!”
helps them do it again
Sounds very democratic of them
A vote for the democrats is a vote for Trump.
Uhhhh
I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic.
Right?
Right?
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren’t real?
I’ve tried talking to Trump voters. It’s fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
There is no way to get through them tbh. They worship rich people want to be the next wealthy billionaire no matter what the cost. They have no demands of policy net positive for their own countrymen at all.
i wish she’d move to canada and run for office here
IKR?!
WTF Dems…?
Stop enabling a tyrant. This is gonna bite you in the ass quicker than you thing.
Ah but bipartisanship. Mr. Hitler will surely see sense any day now, if we’re polite and reasonable and try not to anger him.
I mean what the fuck are they even doing?
When the Republicans were out in 2020, they pushed back on everything and everyone, fuck the consequences, which there never are any, and let their base know they had their backs regardless, and even if they voted they damn well made it known they did so reluctantly.
Here you’ve got Democrats who aren’t even putting things up for a fight and then they have members going on air touring how great these guys are, fucking Fetterman.
There’s no spine in any of these Democrat assholes so why the hell would I vote for any of them at this point if your going to make it easy for fascists? There is no lesser of two evils now, just sickening enablers.
They still govern by ‘gentleman rules’ but the GOP and Trump aint fucking gentlemen. They’re fucking Nazis using the system against them…
They’re doing what they always did: uphold the status quo.
The veil is pulled back, neither party (save for a few progressive senators) actually gave a shit about anyone but themselves. The DNC was just better at pretending, using rainbow capitalism to hide it.
Perhaps the Dems realize there won’t be another vote, and they’re better off kissing ass now if hey want their jobs.
If they realized anything, they would have realized that if they keep enabling this shit, their jobs are absolutely gone and likely their lives.
Then they’d piss off their own donors too…
You know when the last big cut to the federal workforce was?
The 90s when Clinton was in office.
You know what trump was doing in the 90s? Donating so much to the DNC that the Clinton’s came to one of his sham weddings.
If you want to know why neoliberals aren’t opposing Donald Trump, it’s because they’ve literally been working together to destroy the federal government and replace it with oligarchs for the last 30 years.
So stop acting surprised already, and start opposing them.
Say it with me:
👏 Democrats👏 are👏 not👏 coming👏 to👏 save👏 us👏
Our only chance are the leftists that are too busy arguing semantics and refuse to work together! Aw shit.
Including some people who label themselves “Democrats.”
If only AOC stopped playing nice with the rail corporation and didn’t vote to prevent a union strike.
“But both parties are not the same” they screamed as the country burned and the elites on both sides of the aisle lined their pockets off the backs of their suffering constituents.
Come now children and give me your downvotes and paragraphs of bullshit telling me I am wrong.
They may both be shit, but they arent the same…
I mean we’re talking just on paper at this point when the Democrats are enabling these neo-Nazi assholes and not putting up meaningful opposition.
I’ve defended people for both siding shit but damn at this point when you’ve got Democrats passing Laken Riley Act, which allows immigrants to be deported for being accused of fucking shoplifting and Democrats not only voting for Trump’s neo-nazi, dog killing, environment killing nominees and then going on air and waximg poetic about the votes for them. What fucking shitty opposition party is this? It’s not.
Your right, both parties are not the same, ones worse as a enabler of abusers, they’re more pathetic than Trump’s Republicans.
Respectfully i disagree with where you went with this.
The devil is in the details as the saying goes and nuance and minute differences as well as intentions and purposes all matter.
Enabling is not worse than driving an outcome. It may be that the enablers are worse in some instances, but driving the worst outcomes is always worse than taking advantage of it when it’s happening.
It’s always worth it to get to the bottom of events and understand as much as is possible instead of just labeling things as “close enough so it doesn’t matter” that’s just going to l lead to enabling in w different way.
“They are both the same so i voted for the ones i find funniest, because they both the same”
Far as I am concerned, the Geronocrats are the velvet glove worn by the putrid fist called Republican. They may not be the same, but they certainly fit together.
Pot meet kettle
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
She’s one of the most prominent progressives in America there are few more appropriate choices.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
I can think of no shoulders more capable.
It should not be on her shoulders only.
It should not, no. But here we are.
Unfortunately everyone else seems to be complicit.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
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AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
spin off their own political party
I think the idea behind organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and the Working Families Party is to have party-like organizations that work within the Democratic party so they don’t act as “spoilers” given the 2-party system. (I could be wrong about that tho…)
Who the fuck cares about spoiling a vote between mask off and mask on fascist. The democrats are lost we need real leadership.
That they were so ineffective and unable to mount a campaign against an obvious felonious, grifting, lying rapist is all the proof I need that they’re incapable of leading.
We need to stop pretending their failures began in the campaign. It’s not just that they failed in a monumental election, it’s that they’ve failed to secure courts, failed to build a counter part to the heritage foundation, failed to jail the politicians that attempted a coup when they had power. They are simply not equip to fight the rise of fascism, the same as the liberals of Germany.
We need to take it over like those wackadoos toom over the republican party
Exactly. Getting rid of all the shitty Democrats is a tall order, but the Tea Partiers didn’t do that, they just took as many of them down as possible and scared the rest into obedience.
Tea party has a lot of money and nothing else to do but play intrigues for decades.
You cannot adapt this strategy for the masses of people who still need to feed their families.
I don’t see how “having to feed their family” plays into this at all. Tea Partiers didn’t apply mass numbers at their stunts, just kept showing up. Angry Democrats are not so pressed for time that we can’t muster a few hundred to protest and make a spectacle any time a Democratic politician goes back on a promise.
I also do not find the “money rules everything” fatalism particularly useful. The Democrats keep losing races despite raising more money, and people like AOC still beat entrenched donor-focused politicians.
I am not saying not to do something, i am saying to use the right strategies for what you have.
The Dems dont give a fuck about demonstrations at their places. Neither do the Reps. They give a fuck only about money, or being pressured into doing something.
So you will have to show up with many people and block their events. You will need to organize general strikes. You will need to be armed and fight back if you are attacked.
These things you can do with many people. Pulling strings in intrigue games is not something you can do without money and networks. That is why politics have been built to cater to the people who can, rather than the people who rally on the streets.
Not decades. They started in 2010. Trump was elected in 2016.
Fox News and other Murdoch media, Koch brothers… The people behind it have been working on these things since much longer.
This is how they lose.
If you had a party actually for the people, you would get a lot of the Trump votes as well. Most of MAGA weren’t about racist bullshit or half of what’s happened since the changeover.
They are tired of the corporate and government corruption and Trump promised (lied) to do something about that. We need to offer the same hope without all the hate. We need to offer change without just saying the other side is evil. It isn’t the ‘other side’ that is the problem. It’s the corrupt people in positions of power and the ones that tell you to blame the ‘other side’.
It’s too late for that.
And people say .ee has the worst responses
No it isn’t and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you’re ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren’t going to be much help anyway.
