Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla’s electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it’s just one more problem for the automaker.
Tesla sales dropped around 13 percent across Europe in 2024, but so far this year, the scale of the problem is far greater. In France, sales of new Teslas fell by 63 percent, while total car sales in the country fell by just 6 percent, with EV sales dropping just half a percent.
Germany was already looking like lost ground for Tesla—its 41 percent drop in 2024 accounted for most of Tesla’s lost sales across Europe. That must make the 59 percent drop in German Tesla sales recorded during January even more painful on the profit and loss statements.
Across the Channel, the British auto industry just released its sales data for January. Here, Tesla sales fell less precipitously—just 12 percent. However, battery EV sales were 35 percent higher in the UK in January 2025 than in January 2024. The cake is growing, but Tesla is getting to eat less and less of it.
In fact, no Tesla cracked the UK’s top 10 best-seller list last month, something that has regularly happened in the past, although that may be due to having just two models for >sale in most markets.
Large declines have also been recorded in Sweden (44 percent), Norway (38 percent), and the Netherlands (42 percent).
This sparks joy.
Or sparks fire, considering it’s Tesla
Maybe Musk should sue them…
Get trump to tariff them. Or buy them, like Greenland!
Europeans don’t want to drive a Swasticar? Why? Did something happen to make them dislike Nazis for some reason?
Looks at my VW
*Erika intensifies*
At least the current vw CEO isn’t openly a Nazi and they make good cars; unlike muskrat and his swasticars.
I wouldn’t fuck with VW after their “eco-diesel” bullshit from a decade or two ago. But I would probably still prefer them to Tesla if they were the only two car companies.
The TSLA crash going to be glorious, can’t wait.
The stock has been overinflated for years, it’s a grift detached from reality.
The stock market is now literally just a rigged casino where 90%+ of the stocks are owned by the rich.
Honestly people would have to be basically mad to buy tesla now, same with twitter etc.
I sympathise with people who starlink is the only option but yeah I’d rather go without.
I recently bought a camper van and was planning on getting starlink so I can work from the road (not full time). I guess I’ll have to make sure I’m not off the beaten path on work days and stick to Hotspot.
This is the way. I wish more people would accept what is quite literally only minor inconvenience in the name of starving these insane companies. We honestly have it so good in most of modern society, and some things are just totally optional imo.
Thanks
Yeah sad thing is I can understand Starlink being the only option for some people, so yeah I wouldn’t blame you for using it.
Anyone still driving a Tesla needs a bit of verbal abuse.
I don’t know about abuse but I do judge people with Teslas purchased in the last 5 years. Before that the completion was lacking and it was less evident to most people that the CEO is a cunt, but now even if you ignore Elon, it’s just a crazy purchase when all the other manufacturers have caught up in electric and arguably produce better vehicles with less issues.
I’d be interested to see some market analysis that looks into the reasons for the sales declines. In particular, how much is driven by poor product quality versus how much is due to Musk being a knobhead.
Sure, I’d judge someone if they bought a new one recently as well, but I think you’re being a bit unreasonable. Not everyone can afford to switch cars.
Maybe they just like the car. Not everything has to be political. Especially if they get it 2nd hand, the depreciation is huge. So someone could get a nice Tesla for great money. Doesn’t mean they like Elon or support him.
Buying 2nd hand is greener and doesn’t support him.
When the owner is that political, it becomes political though. “If 9 people sit at a table with one Nazi…” etc etc.
It does though, their most profitable (as in profit margin) businesses areas are the subscription based services and charging.
Tesla ownership is its own punishment.
Let’s get to 95% down in Q1 of 2025.
Well for obvious reasons. But also bcs their product is crap quality. My neighbour keeps on pouring grand after grand for stupid repairs into his model S
That can’t be, teslas never break and don’t need maintenance. Many people said it, smart people
Gimme cheap, simple and reliable EV with guaranteed 200km range and I’m sold. I don’t need bazillion of cameras inside and out, I don’t need glass roof, I don’t need 200kW of ridiculous power I would never use, I don’t need always online maps for a subscription fee and I don’t need 20" infotainment, neither I need 3 zone AC with ventilated seats and ballsack massage device, etc. I just want a Dacia of EV market.
VW E-Up is cheap and really good
So Dacia Spring?
Good news everyone!
Oh no!
If I was alone, this would be an option. With family, not so much. I’ve heard horrible stories, struggling to go uphill with 4 people on board, etc. And I live in a hilly area.
Microlino, Fiat panda grande, Renault 5, Citroën Ami and others. The smaller and more affordable versions are getting there.
There’s a little blue Honda EV I see at work. Looks smart as.
Any of those in the US market?
I’ve only seen Rivians and Teslas in my parts.
You’ve probably seen a lot more electric vehicles than you realize. Almost every big manufacturer has them in their lineups at this point, just most of them are looking more and more conventional.
Take a look at the Honda Prologue, the Toyota BZ4X, the Kia Niro EV6 or EV9, VW ID.4, Hyundai Ioniq line and Kona, Ford Mach E, Chevy Equinox EV or Blazer EV.
There’s also EV versions the F150, Chevy Silverado, and Hummer. Supposedly RAM will have an EV truck soon, too.
Granted there are fewer compact sizes than in European markets, but that’s true of all vehicles, regardless of powertrain
There’s a lot more, but they don’t stand out. Look at cars that don’t have a radiator and if course a tailpipe.
Chevy Bolt, except it was discontinued so now nothing…
Not a single one of them is available where I live. And once I checked them, they’re not really family cars I was hoping for.
The fiat 500 e fits all that and it’s a delight to drive.
It’s a cool car, yes. Too small for me, but cool as fuck. Used ones are affordable, but it’s still 34k € new, which is not cheap at all.
Fair enough on the price. We got a used 2021 for a lot less than that and it’s the perfect car for us. It’s surprisingly spacious inside. This is coming from a 195cm overweight guy.
Do you drive it with family?
We’re only two so I understand we’re in a special situation. Kids would fit fine in the back, but with teenagers and adults it gets a bit tight.
Also, for some perspective, my normal driving position, the seat is somewhere in the middle of the movement range. Not all the way to the back.
Just wondering, what qualifies as cheap for you?
It depends… As our old Ford gave up, I bought used car at the end of 2023. It is Kia Ceed SW, was three and a half years old when I bought it and I paid roughly 14k € for it, which is about my ceiling for a car. Not that I couldn’t pay more, but I don’t want to as our family doesn’t drive that much. Our last car did about 5-10k km a year and this one is no different.
When I was checking BEV at the time there was nothing usable at my price range and area. Couple of used E-Ups, which are too small honestly (that’s why we bought SW, trunk is always full of something). Same goes for BMW i3, which is also so hideous my wife said it would be a divorce. Not many E-Golfs, most of them totally abused, and way older than I’d like. Few Renault Zoes, but that’s a brand I wouldn’t trust with my past experience… There was simply nothing that would make sense. Not sure how it changed during 2024, but my hopes are low.
Dacia Spring. You’re welcome.
Well, I mean a car where I can fit with my wife, two kids, bag of groceries and still drive uphill…
I do that kind of trips with Spring. No problem. It has surprisingly big trunk for groceries and whatnot. If kids are above 3yo it’s all good.
Obviously it’s not a highway monster but for every day trips we usually take this one.
Coincidentlaly, throwing all this junk out makes EV’s significantly lighter. And theoretically cheaper.
They kinda suffer from “the tyranny of the rocket equation” since so much of their mass is “fuel.” Make it lighter, and they need less battery for the same range, which means you need even less battery to carry that battery around, lighter motors, less chassis and suspension weight for that, which removes even more battery, and so on.
This is not the case with combustion cars, where much of the engine’s mass is fixed and gasoline takes up little weight.
The Aptera coming out follows this principle. It’s the only EV that’s light enough that the onboard solar panels contribute a significant boost in range.
Do you know where it’s at? It was supposed to come to US by 2022, and I’m wondering about Europe…
It’s was getting shown off at CES. Plenty of videos on youtube.
Europe would be a different beast regardless. It’s expensive to pay for safety testing in one place and those aren’t transferable. If you want one in Europe, you might be able to as a private importer maybe? There was one guy who tried that with a Cybertruck and got in trouble. I’m not a lawyer.
That’s what I was wondering, thank you! I’m not confident that it will come to Europe and I unfortunately cannot afford to buy a car that won’t be commonly supported by garages!
Fully solid-state batteries are just around the corner - some Chinese models already have a semi-solid-state battery, MG are releasing one this year, companies like Toyota and Honda are working on it too. The current use case is to extend range (600+ miles / 1000+ kms) but they could also be used to get similar range as today’s cars with a much lighter battery.
Solid state is just around the corner in the same way fusion is. Toyota announced in 2010 they’d have it in prod by 2015, then 2018, then 2020, then 2025 then…"real soon now™ "
The MG “may be a semi solid state”
https://electrek.co/2024/12/16/new-semi-solid-state-battery-ev-launching-2025/
Which is not quite the same thing.
BYD and CATL who have a good track record of delivery are suggesting 2030
TL;DR
Don’t wait for solid state, the current battery tech is more than adequate for the majority of people. Holding off for something “perfect” that may never arrive when “good enough” is here diesn’t seem logical to me
There’s already cars available today with semi solid state batteries: Some by Nio and one by IM.
The article I read about the MG was certain that it’d be solid state. Sorry for the incorrect info.
Don’t wait for solid state, the current battery tech is more than adequate for the majority of people
That’s true. The advancement in technology is why I’m leasing my EV (BMW iX) rather than buying it, though.
Ballsack massage device you say…
I had the option but it drove me nuts
Having competition tends to do that 🤷
I’m not going to sell a perfectly useable Model Y after a year just because the CEO is a cunt. But I’m going to tell everyone that he’s a cunt with 30 stickers plastered all over the useless rear window
Sell it to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?
Good choice, no point throwing it away if it was too late for you to realize, but it’s more powerful as a platform to disavow Musk and Tesla.
The US is collapsing and all I got was this lousy car
I remember headlines of people burning their Nikes when they learned the company was woke or something. Burn your car mate, that’ll show them for sure!
Fair point. I won’t judge Tesla drivers. I’ll judge Tesla drivers that don’t have a load of stickers on their car.
I’d judge Tesla drivers if they bought the car this year.
lol. Stupidly I didn’t consider that anyone would still buy one. New or secondhand.
Yeah, I mean who is their market now? Anyone who isn’t a nazi or ignorant isn’t going to want to be seen driving one. And I get the impression that right wing folks are more into fossil fuels.
I get the impression that right wing folks are more into fossil fuels.
Yup. I’d say they’re intentionally stupid.
Read that Tesla pushes December in Norway for padding end of year numbers, resulting in a stagnant January. I think that concutive stagnant months is what would indicate how sick we are with Musk
May every business that brings this man profit tank until he learns some empathy.
Rich people don’t have human emotions.
Being rich literally turns you into a sociopath or psycopath.
Hoarding that much excess wealth induces mental disorders.
The only solution is to redistribute their wealth
Hoarding that much excess wealth induces mental disorders.
I was wondering if epigenetics may speak to that, in some cases
The only solution is to redistribute their wealth.
For the rest of us. I’m curious if it addresses the sociopathic tendencies of the original wealth hoarder?
ETA: that was a quick search for that study and I certainly don’t understand it well.
I don’t think taking away their money would instantly fix their sociopathic tendencies, but it would allow them to actually engage with real human society again and the community and experiences from that would help to build empathy again.
But the reason for stripping them of their wealth is that they’re dangerous, we don’t give nukes to violent schizophrenics.
But the reason for stripping them of their wealth is that they’re dangerous, we don’t give nukes to violent schizophrenics.
This is being very vividly illustrated, irl.
Well, I did Nazi that coming
NAZCAR.
