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Cancel culture ain’t so much fun when it happens to you, is it.
Actually, this situation isn’t about cancel culture at all. Cancel culture typically refers to public backlash resulting in personal or professional consequences for offensive or harmful behavior. What happened here seems to be a systemic decision to remove content highlighting women in STEM at NASA.
This isn’t driven by public outcry or social pressure; it’s a form of institutional erasure. There’s a big difference between being held accountable for harmful actions and having your achievements wiped out due to a policy change.
These two things shouldn’t be conflated.
I think you are misinformed about the nature of cancel culture — it was always a government program. Those mass account purges on Twitter over COVID “misinformation”, for instance, happened explicitly at the behest of the Biden administration. It was not at all the result of public outcry.
Also, many of the claims that were made (such as the lab leak theory) did, in fact, turn out to be true.
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On Cancel Culture: The term “cancel culture” typically refers to public backlash leading to personal or professional consequences for perceived offensive behavior. In the case of the NASA bio removal, it appears to be an internal policy decision, not a result of public outcry.
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On Government Influence and Social Media: While there have been instances where government entities have interacted with social media platforms regarding content moderation—such as the Biden administration’s efforts to curb COVID-19 misinformation—this differs from “cancel culture.” These actions involve governmental attempts to manage public health information, which has sparked debates about free speech and censorship.
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On the Lab Leak Theory: The origins of COVID-19 have been extensively debated. Agencies like the FBI and the Department of Energy have assessed, with varying degrees of confidence, that a lab leak is a plausible origin. However, this remains a separate issue from the NASA bio removal and the broader discussion of cancel culture.
Bringing up these points seems to divert from the initial discussion about the removal of a NASA bio highlighting a woman’s achievements in STEM. It’s essential to distinguish between institutional decisions, public backlash, and government policies.
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Deleting the record of a women’s scientific achievements isn’t the same as firing (or declining to renew a contract) of someone who’s falsifying test results or just being an ass.
I wonder which person you’re actually referring to. Have a few names we can “peer review”?
this isn’t cancel culture though, this is culling culture.
False equivalence. Firing someone for saying racist shit isnt the same a removing a person from a website because she is a woman.
Indeed, firing someone seems like a much more drastic measure, and as far as we can tell from the OP, Rose still has her job.
Also, this page about Women at NASA, which contains literally hundreds of articles about female scientists’ achievements there has apparently not been deleted, so this doesn’t look like some sort of systemic erasure to me. Perhaps her profile was simply deleted by mistake?
I tried clicking a bunch of them just to make sure they’re not all dead links, and so far I haven’t hit any 404s.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/page-page-disappearing-government-military-130001973.html
Thousands went offline
They were forced to start bringing some back
Take your weak attempt at trolling somewhere else.
Sadly, that stooge isn’t even self aware enough to realize it’s trolling. Which makes feeding trolls so, just, tedious these days. No fun in it at all!! 😡
Huh. The only possible reason to conflate cancel culture with erasure is if you’re such a shit person with truly deplorable views that being forced to just fucking be polite feels like an attack on your person.
Everyone knows the dog whistle involved here, buddy.
I don’t think I follow that train of thought. What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?
I don’t think I follow that train of thought.
Duh. Not being allowed to do offensive shit without consequence is obviously upsetting to you. So, yeah, of course you didn’t follow a train of thought that includes common decency.
What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?
I think actions have consequences. I think a person who has any actual courage will accept that fact. What, do you think bigotry and prejudice shouldn’t be “undesirable”? What, you afraid of just…not being an ass???
Okay, so instead of focusing on making solid arguments, you been spending much of your time on name calling and insulting my intelligence instead. Is that what you consider common decency? Or should there be consequences for that?
Seems like a clear violation of rule 1 of this forum: “Don’t throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.”
Oh go cry yourself a river to drown in.
Yeah, no shit I’m not “debating in good faith”. Duh. Why the fuck would I bother?? Like, seriously, there’s nothing clever in that “asking questions” approach.
And, if you’re gonna cry about ‘solid arguments’, fund one yourself. Facts don’t care about your feelings, remember???
Why would your bio be on the NASA website? What does that have to do with the exploration of space or technological advancement?
Why couldn’t it be? Why shouldn’t there be a section for “people”, to serve as motivation for whomever wants to follow their footsteps and work at NASA?
And also, supposedly, only women’s info were removed. Did they also remove the bio of men?
It is pretty standard practice. For one, it helps people who read or review your work know who they are dealing with. For another, it helps the general public understand who scientists are. Part of the mission is to make sure that the next generation carries the work on, and by emphasizing the human aspect of the science, young people can actually imagine themselves getting to that point some day.
I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.
Insanity.
Ask your dad why the GOP needs to raise the Debt Ceiling by $4 Trillion in their budget bill, and how many of the now dozens of lawsuits Trump might win based on his performance in 2020 when he lost almost every single court case, even when Trump appointed the judges himself.
I tried that with someone on facebook. They retreated back to “we have to get federal spending under control.” Maybe so, but this group isn’t doing that.
And we do. Only people unaware of the problem aren’t worked about it.
But these people seem unable to parse tough choices and bad choices.
I mean, that’s the real trump derangement syndrome. People who are outside of reality because of their support of the man.
You mean that?
Lol. You doubt it?!
Absolutely. In 2020 I asked the biggest trump supporter I know if he was better off then or four years ago. It’s not the fairest question, but I knew that then. There’s a lot of circumstances that effect it.
In 2020 he had no job (for years), was living with his mother, and swore he was keeping track of his “debt” with her that totalled in the tens of thousands. In 2016 he had a job, and had his own apartment. He said he was doing better in 2020.
In 2024 he had a higher paying job than he ever had before, and had bought a house. I didn’t ask him the question though. I was pretty sure I knew what he would say. He did say he was glad RFK would make us label our food … As he was drinking a soda that had the ingredients labeled, like most of our food.(Oh or is it the “natural and artificial ingredient” secret recipe crap that’s killing us that you still can see on the label and avoid, and not the high fructose corn syrup with 120 percent your daily allotment?)
I’d say that’s detaching from reality when politics get concerned.
Same with my Mom. I told her “yeah, Mussolini did a good job making the trains run on time”. She never responded.
(Beside the point, but Mussolini totally did not run an efficient train network, it was a cluster fuck like everything else he did)
im pretty sure that’s the exact implication being made lol
Yeah but if they knew enough to know that they wouldn’t be voting Republican.
evidently they still did, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
I can’t wait to talk to my parents. Lifelong republicans (though not specifically trump fans, just voting R), so it’s extremely likely they voted for this.
I’m a federal employee. They voted to put my job (and my wife’s job) in jeopardy. They voted for this. They voted to hurt us.
Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.
That only works for people who haven’t taught themselves to ignore constant cognitive dissonance.
His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.
maybe if you explain to him the cause of the great depression being isolationist economic policy hitting everyone really hard, meanwhile japan with its keynesian policy managed to do pretty well, even in the face of global economic downturn.
Some people find facts more reasonable, ironically, even if they will cognitively dissonant themselves from them.
wait until everything gets a lot more expensive, and then ask him what happened lmao
make it real for your dad - every chance you get, capture the price of a few things and chart it out over time… actual real evidence that you collected yourself is harder to refute than a graph produced by anonymous sources online.
Get your Gus already guy, what are you waiting for?
I’m sure threads won’t remove your posts
It’s owned by Meta, so it might ¯_(ツ)_/¯
That was the joke.
Wait, I can’t find the order that says to do this. Can someone please link me?
The order to end dei in government positions. Women are included in diversity equity and inclusion. Nasa is a government agency, so it makes sense. Is it good? Absolutely not, just the wacky world we have to live in.
A lot of this was internal and will only be seen in documentaries down the road… if there will even be a road
The aliens might make a documentary when they come visit the ruins someday.
She sounds kind of sexist. Why does it matter what sex she is? Shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of sex?
The irony of posting this in the context of someone who had been effaced specifically because of their sex is overpowering.
To get people trested equally, you need to apply positive bias towards women whom would otherwise be treated unfairly by the current systemic biases.
Wow.
You have so consistently dehumanized the women in your life that this statement actually makes sense to you? Like, it’s pretty well known that women are a minority in STEM fields. What the hell you so afraid of, that celebrating a woman’s accomplishments offense you so???
Maybe stop trying to gain power over other human beings. Cause the path you’re currently on? You fucking know where it leads. And no, dragging others down will never change the hellscape of fear and paranoia you have found. You have to walk out of the valley of despair; there is no other escape.
I hope you aren’t assuming I’m a man, are you misgendering me?
lol this is all you have to say for yourself. gtfo
I hope you realize that is irrelevant…?
Like, completely.
Gods, this old chestnut… Hey, on behalf of the Trans-Non-binary community can we retire this please? Not because it’s offensive, it isn’t, we just heard it more on average and it was always just bland weak sause shit. Reseting the clock on this boring ass joke from reddit five years ago is cringe. You wanna troll somebody at least make an effort greater than “I know you are but what am I?!”
She does not sound sexist. She sounds justifiably upset that the organization she works for and clearly loves is trying to erase her her involvement in it just because she is a woman.
Oh geez that would be great wouldn’t it. But it sounds like you’ve never had some tell you that you can’t do something because of your sex. Highlighting successful minorities in a field inspires and encourages others in their same position.
Can you please explain what about this sounds kind of sexist to you? We are very confused.
I’m sorry… she sounds sexist because when she talked about the article on her at nasa she mentioned… her dreams… her being raised poor… her being homeless… and… her getting a job at Nasa despite all that. Huh oh wait weird I missed the part where she made it all about her being a woman? because… she didn’t even do that? She wasn’t even highlighting that she is important as a role model to women in STEM. Didn’t even mention it in the part discussing the article that was erased. She was highlighting being a role model of achieving her dream job even though she was poor and homeless at one point. And was simply pointing out that it is being erased BECAUSE she is a woman. and you are calling HER sexist? Are you high? Can you read? You just enter a fugue state when you see the word women and make shit up that didn’t happen so you can feel better about yourself? Cuz I’m super confused how you can get sexist from what she said without just assuming she’s sexist because she is a woman.
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They want something not that different from the Taliban. Subservient women existing only to make and raise kids.
This isn’t a science meme
You shouldn’t care and want justice instead
You should feel like erasing the people that tried to erase you.
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I prefer them in the light of justice rather than scurrying around with the darkness.
Justice in the united states? where? how?
We tried that.
Unless the darkness is a really deep pit in some cave and their legs are broken.
Like Riddler “bring him into the light”?
Gets an article about them removed
Completely erased as a person
Lucky for you, you’ll never experience erasure. Because you’ll never matter.
Lucky for me, I don’t value my entire existence on random people knowing my sad origin story.
Maybe they value what they achieved despite having said origin story. I certainly consider that a value.
Maybe you don’t have such amazing achievements in your own life?
But that’s not what the post is about. It’s specifically about new people on threads not being able to read her origin story.
Yes, because it can inspire people. It’s a very inspiring story. People can be motivated to do things with their own lives by listening to it. I’m amazed this has to be explained to you why removing it is a bad thing.
Did I comment at any point on whether the article removal was good or bad?
Okay, then what was your point?
😂
hey maybe accept that you will never achieve as much as this person. Don’t pretend that a NASA article about you won’t make you feel successful.
Haven’t you read her post? Her entire work was erased alongside herself… I’m already miles ahead.
Don’t pretend that a NASA article about you won’t make you feel successful
Reading comprehension -20, but I guess that explains why you’d drink up this drivel
if you can’t understand why it is important to have NASA of all people mention you by name, you’re naive, ignorant or just a child who thinks it’s cool to diss people for wanting recognition.
Please stop being an edgelord for a moment and think about the humans in the situation.
your holier than thou attitude only reeks of loneliness and ineptitude to put yourself in the shoes of others.
Try to avoid writing any songs or singing, I fear you may be tone deaf.
Even besides that, having an article about you and your work published by fucking NASA is some of the biggest flexes you can have on your resume
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For this community yes, but I think the over-dramatising works against the wider acceptance of DEI practices. Most people have never even had an article written about them, those people still have personhood, so does this lady. From that perspective it comes off as entitled and decoupled from reality. Who wants to listen to someone acting unhinged on social media?
Obviously, removing the section is wrong, and we should have these articles to highlight the achievements of women in male dominated fields. Plus highlighting that it’s been removed by the vile actions of the trump administration is important
I will feel mad as fuck for you and use this as evidence when people say these EOs aren’t hurting anyone other than illegal immigrants.
Still on Threads, supporting billionaire owned platforms.
Break the cycle of abuse already.
Complaining about the platform she used completely misses the point.
No. She is the one mentioning it, and I don’t understand her point. She complains that no one knows her on Threads, because she moved from Twitter? Then @[email protected] 's comment is quite reasonable.
They intentionally missed the point
Seriously though. Publicity doesn’t make you a person. You know who else thinks it does. Trump. And thinking that way gets us more people in control who care more about image than doing anything. A better ending to that post would have focused on the accomplishments, not the person. Like noting that it was that easy to make womens accomplishments dissapear or something like that.
Do you suppose they would have received fewer downvotes if they rephrased their comment such that the first part conveys empathy and the second part recommends to try other platforms?
“She should smile more” but for using what it at least not Twitter.
Oh my god shut the fuck up.
It happened to me in October 2018 and again in April 2024. Erasure by DEI programs and of the people supported by them kills a part of you.
You never really know how to feel. You just get increasingly dead inside.
At least I have two weeks of food left.
Now I’m confused, what does DEI stand for? I thought it meant Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.
That’s what it claims to mean, but that’s frankly not how it was implemented.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are fabulous ideals that result in better science that improves the lives of more people. If properly implemented, they create a better workplace ecosystem that better serves its employees and our nation/planet/community.
I wish that DEI programs didn’t stand for Demonization, Exclusion, and Inequity.
I’ve been reading the whole thread and it looks like you’re blaming an entire program for the bad experience you had with a particular group of people.
A particular group of people… who ran the program and used it as a tool of oppression.
Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program. Would you rather I start rattling off names? Or should I focus on the structural inequities that enabled and rewarded these bad actors?
I suspect that these overreaches of power contributed to the rampant public animosity towards these programs and enabled fascism.
I hope that someone learns from my criticisms so that we can prevent what happened last year from happening again.
Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program
That is exactly the incel mentality. These people did me wrong so I will blame the entirety of what, in my eyes, they represent.
No, it’s not incel mentality.
It’s the mentality of addressing structural issues and inequities instead of symptomatic bad actors.
It’s the mentality of trying to fix broken systems that wronged me.
Inequality is structural and needs to be addressed structurally if we want to solve it.
Blaming people and trying to get revenge by punishing them is the mentality that created the problematic structures that I’m trying to address.
Can you give me a few solid examples or some slides that they shared for your specific DEI program? I’ve done two and it’s some of the most boring and dry shit that I’ve ever listened to.
For ours, it was mainly that you can get talent from anywhere. It wasn’t about hating white men or nothing. I mean, at least it wasn’t for the ones that I’ve attended?
Erasure of DEI programs? DEI doesn’t erase I just wanna make sure I’m understanding you properly.
DEI programs absolutely erased people.
They erased me for being intersex and not conforming to their stereotypes of gender diversity / transness.
Oh, who did they erase?
Me. Your reply came in while I was adding my edit.
I think they’re clarifying that the removal of the DEI program erased you, not the DEI program itself. It’s a small nit to pick, but then you confirmed it, so I think they just got confused. Words are hard sometimes
No, the DEI program erased me.
You should explain in more detail how that can possibly be the case. What other extenuating circumstances were there? What community or region did this occur in? I’m sorry if this is a hurt you didn’t want to discuss but this makes no sense in the context of DEI programs and their intention.
So the DEI program wasn’t inclusive enough? Would the situation have been better without the DEI program? Just trying to understand the issue, typically DEI has the effect of increasing visibility but it sounds like you had the opposite experience.
