I know I have small hands but c’mon. Flagship phones these days are strait up small tablets, not even what we’d have called on phablets 15 years ago.
I know it’s what people buy, but I’m still sad that if I want a phone that small then I have to deal with camera and display a couple gens old
What, Flagship? There’s no small phones anymore.
iPhone SE is small. I have been buying them when coming out, they have been fantastic. If you want android, not sure what’s out there.
The next one will likely be big. They also discontinued the Mini which was an awesome phone.
Same here. The Google Pixel, but I think they recently eliminated the small version.
https://lemmy.world/c/compactphones - the activity here reflects this x_x
I miss phones that experimented.
I had the Motorola backflip (that was a fun one) and had one of the first phones with a fingerprint sensor that everyone said was a gimmick, had the one with the “indestructible screen” (Motorola Z2 force iirc) that I had a lot of fun throwing around till I broke it (But not the screen! I’ll give them that lmao), had every Nexus device until the bitter end (I cursed Google for a long time when they decided Pixels was the way forward, I didn’t pick up a pixel again until the Pixel Fold 0G) and so so many others over the years.
Until one day they just stopped being cool for years, hell the Foldy phone has been the coolest innovation they’ve put out in years and we’re already back to nothing but iterations again
You would really enjoy the When Phones Were Fun series on YouTube if you haven’t seen them
I wish I could get a flagship phone with a swappable battery, headphone jack, SD slot and allow my apps to interface with each other’s files when I want without having to fuck around with permission bullshit… I don’t care if it’s the size of a dinner plate
Fairphone might be somewhat closer for what you want
FP5 doesn’t have a 3.5mm jack 😔
An external DAC is better anyway, just put that on your headphones.
Having to use a USB hub to use my earphones while i’m charging my phone is not my idea of a pleasant user experience.
Yeah that is fair, but I preferred that a lot more than just using the 3mm jack on my Redmi Note 13 Pro. Man the DAC in that thing sucks.
HMD Skyline and Fusion also
Edit: Skyline doesn’t have headphone jack
Yeah, that’s the problem. Why only 1 phone has the options most of us want?
I hate this billionaire-controlled timeline we’re on.
Most people don’t care and if there’s no microSD slot, you can sell more expensive phones via overpriced internal storage. No 3.5mm jack, but we’ve got these wireless buds you could try. Would be stupid for companies to put these things back unfortunately.
Because most people don’t need a 3mm jack anymore, I prefer to use a USB-c dac anyway the sound is better.
And I offload the data to a NAS anyway so the storage is irrelevant anyway.
Fairphone is also gigantic.
App restrictions can be disabled in developer options.
I would categorize that as having to fuck around with permission bullshit but thank you for the suggestion.
I don’t know of any with swappable batteries anymore. The HTC U24 and U23 series both have headphone jack and MicroSD slot. There are a few others.
Just get a USB-c dongle and let that sit on your headphones. These days nearly everything has USB-c anyway and the sound is way better. The last phones I had with the USB-c jack (RedMi Note 13 Pro and iPhone 4 before that) all sounded worse than me using a cheap DAC. Getting an expensive DAC will improve the sound even more.
Personally I say that most would need to get a NAS before they need a SD card or you need to get a dedicated Camera or MP4 player if your pictures or music exceed the 500GB max and streaming isn;t an option using a NAS.
The rest of your points are valid.
Personally I say that most would need to get a NAS before they need a SD card or you need to get a dedicated Camera or MP4 player if your pictures or music exceed the 500GB max and streaming isn;t an option using a NAS.
Yeah spending 100s of dollars on whole other devices you have to carry around instead of like 10 for an SD card makes a ton of sense.
Yeah man cause a SD card that sits in your phone also works as a backup solution.
It’s not a backup. Neither is a camera or MP4 player (which also can’t play games or display books/comics, so I’d be up to 4 devices to have all my media covered). It’s a way of keeping my media available while I am on the go with or without a internet connection. It’s by far the simplest solution and allows me to do everything on my phone.
A MP4 player can play games or display books/comics. The once from FiO basically are Android devices from which you cannot call (or maybe with an internet connection you can).
Being on the go without an internet connection is getting rarer and rarer anyway so that is less of an issue for most.
Truth of it all is that most people want tinner phones and/or wireless earbuds/headsets and the people who do not are for a big part audiophiles who want better audio quality than a phone is going to offer. So there is only a relatively small section of users who prefer the audio jack.
I used to want one and a SD card and a good 3mm jack as well, but it just doesn’t exist. So I switched to using a NAS (a raspberry Pi can get your pretty far), plus an iPod or Spotify with dongles or just wireless.
Truth of it all is that most people want tinner phones and/or wireless earbuds/headsets and the people who do not are for a big part audiophiles who want better audio quality than a phone is going to offer. So there is only a relatively small section of users who prefer the audio jack.
I think the real truth is most people just take whatever the phone corporations shovel down their throats without thinking too much about it as long as they have the newest model. Phones have been thin enough for years now. They’ve hit the point where they can’t make the camera as thin as the rest of the phone so it sticks out and won’t sit flat. It’s ridiculous. It’s not like they’ve replaced the features we lost with new better technology anyway. There’s no reason customer focused reason to remove those features. They did it to sell more shit and make their devices less repairable. Expecting people to carry two or more devices when one could do everything is asinine. Also my phone has a Hi-fi DAC and gives fantastic audio quality through the headphone jack.
What phone do you have then?
Apparently the market is not big enough for phone’s to really exist with all the features everybody want for an acceptable price. Otherwise more options with good sound quality and SD card slots exist. But the nature of how DAC’s works is that it is hard to fit that in a slim phone and especially if you want long battery life etc.
Maybe taking two devices is a bit stupid, but on the other hand you can also ask yourself how often you can leave your phone at home or wherever when you want to listen to music.
I would also prefer a phone that has a good DAC, has a SD card and has good working apps. So unless Apple is going to start making that again (they never will), I’ll probably stick with an iPhone and a separate audio device or wireless buds/headphone. Android is not for me and finding the correct Android is a bullshit mess. But I know of others who are interested in an Android device with a good DAC.
The Sony Xperia 5 used to fit the bill, but the gen 6 (the Xperia 5 V) came out a couple of years ago and did not get a bump like the 1 (premium) and 10 (mid range) which now have a 7th gen. I also think it was dropped from US sale even further back, maybe with the 4th or 5th gen?
Even that phone is fairly large (well, tall - it has a unique shape as it has a 21:9 screen ratio) but now it’s gone, there’s nothing that fits the bill for me size wise outside of the newer flips from other manufacturers. The dropping of the Xperia 5 was a sad day for me as I’ve been on the smaller Xperia phones since the Z was launched way back…
…switching from Xperia means losing the headphone jack too.
The zenfones upto 9 were the perfect size imo, I’m fine with 6.2-6.3 inches though.
I’m not a size queen, I’ll take any inches I can get,
I started off with iphone 7, then pixel 5, now on pixel 7a. With each phone, it got increased in size. Pixel 5 was a compromise for me. Pixel 7a feels a step too big to be pocketable.
Do you have small pockets?
Pixel 5 was the perfect size, imho.
I miss that you can’t get them, but I also don’t miss having one.
You can literally get them. Buy used
As you add more compute per user interaction (“smart” features), you increase power consumption. To keep an 18hour discharge cycle, you have to have more battery. Since phone thickness is a negative marketing feature but increased screen size is a positive marketing feature, you end up with bigger phones.
Every time they reduce compute power consumption, feature inflation overtakes the gain and more power is needed over time. Try turning on battery saver in the morning… even with “normal” use the battery will last significantly longer due to disabling background power consumption.
I have large hands and I don’t like having to make the compromise of features or size. I prefer phones around 5in or a smidge under. But to have a modern camera I have an almost 7in phone. It’s really frustrating.
consumers in general wants bigger phone, market follow along
sadly, small phone is a niche now
There’s more to it than that. Big phones are more marketable and have better profit margins. It’s not all consumer preference. Kinda similar to cars actually
Flagship means the best of the best, of course it’s gonna be large and fancy lmfao.
There’s plenty of phones that fit your niche, but it’s like expecting a cigar boat to be the flagship of the navy dude lol. Gotta temper yourself to realistic expectations, especially when the term “flagship” is thrown out.
Best doesn’t have to mean biggest.
I want all the fanciest best shit, and I want it to actually fit in my hand
So you don’t want a flagship, you want a small compact phone with all the fixings. That would no longer be the flagship anymore by using established conventions.
Flagship has specific meanings and you’re ignoring them to bitch and moan.
Lol everyone disagrees with you about what the conventional meaning is. It sounds a lot like you’re the one who is ignoring definitions to bitch and moan 👋
??? Multiple people have told you the same thing……
Sounds like you don’t want to admit that you fucked up.
It sounds a lot like you’re the one who is ignoring definitions to bitch and moan 👋
Well sounds is a lot different than being factually incorrect and obtuse like you….
Lol you made up an argument, pretended I said it, and got mad when I corrected you.
You can bring a mule to the comment section, but you can’t make him read the thread.
This makes no sense. Large doesn’t mean fancy. Back in the day, making the phone smaller was fancy.
The minimal company’s flagship phone is a minimal phone. It’s their signature phone. The flagship was the ship that had the ranking officer/admiral on it, representing the fleet. Apple, google etc all decided their flagship phone would be huge.
OP wants more flagship phones, that is the type of phone the company markets as its main phone, to be smaller. It has little to do with the best but how phones are used. So tell him “tough luck because most people use their phones as a TV so they will remain big”. It’s not because that’s a better phone.
This makes no sense. Large doesn’t mean fancy. Back in the day, making the phone smaller was fancy.
Which has nothing to do with the the historical term and already established convention of the term “flagship”, no one has ever called their compact phone a flagship, got any proof to back that asinine claim up?
The minimal company’s flagship phone is a minimal phone. It’s their signature phone. The flagship was the ship that had the ranking officer/admiral on it, representing the fleet. Apple, google etc all decided their flagship phone would be huge.
If it’s not the fanciest and most expensive, then by definition and original convention, it’s no longer a flagship phone.
Terms have specific uses, let’s not dilute them to make ourselves feel better. Language IS fluid, but when people are obstinate to already preestablished conventions… a small phone will never by definition eve be considered a flagship, but bloviate if you want.
Terms have specific uses, let’s not dilute them to make ourselves feel better. Language IS fluid, but when people are obstinate to already preestablished conventions
Ok there why didn’t you bother opening a dictionary or googling it.
noun
the ship in a fleet which carries the commanding admiral.
the best or most important thing owned or produced by a particular organization.
He’s just saying most phones companies (of all sizes) are making are big phones. Get over yourself
So the smallest and worst ship would be the flagship? That’s the defence? Lmfao because that makes total sense dude…. And how is that supposed to defend what a flagship is?
How does that mean the smallest and most compact? As my original comment stated, that’s like claiming a cigar boat is the flagship, which no navy would do even if they were making smaller boats. Their largest and fanciest, would STILL be the flagship of the fleet….
I “did read a dictionary”, which is maybe why I’m speaking? OP fucked up what a flagship is meant to be. Atleast I’m not the one making up new definitions to defend my asinine defence. How does the definition support your argument? It would STILL mean the best and most resourceful unit. Which wouldn’t be the smallest……
the finest, largest, or most important one of a group of things (such as products, stores, etc.) —often used before another noun
Other definitions include “largest” why did you include the one that doesn’t…?
is the lead ship in a fleet of vessels, typically the first, largest, fastest, most heavily armed, or best known.
Which how is that the smallest and most compact…? That’s literally contradicting the established conventions dude lmfao. But again, bloviate about how you don’t understand language and want to make it what you want I guess…. Flagship has established conventions, and OP is asking for the opposite. Full stop.
Each fleet has its flagship, all companies have flagships. Yes the best phone of each company is their flagship. Flagship phones isn’t limited to some arbitrary sized companies.
And no phone manufacturer has ever called their small phones their flagships, so for to OP to say they miss them, is them not actually knowing what the term is.
Can you provide an example of a phone that fits OPs definition as being sold as a “flagship”? Because OPs arguing for something that’s never been done before.
Flagships CAN be small, but it’s never been done in history before, still waiting for an example, I’ve asked twice now. Because OPs barking up the wrong tree. That’s the issue here.
You’re making this argument, while not providing anything to support it, I’ve even asked for a source to prove your point, all you’ve done is provide a definition that i then provided multiple that directly contradict the one you provided.
Flagship phones isn’t limited to some arbitrary sized companies.
In the history of the term, it’s never been a cigar boat dude…. It’s always the largest and fanciest, not the smallest and fanciest. Prove it dude. Step up or fuck off.
Minimal company’s flagship phone is the minimal phone
You aren’t wrong, and I’m not sure why the other person is arguing with you. Seems like that Monty Python sketch about arguing.
He is wrong.
I’m asking for small flagships.
They used to make small flagships.Flagship doesn’t mean biggest, it means best.
If settle for a small non-flagship phone with a flagship camera pod and display tech. But they don’t make those either.
They used to make small flagships.
When??? You keep saying that, but flagships have always been large and fancy and never small and fancy. Can you provide an example? Because what it seems from every explanation you’ve made in this thread, you just don’t know what the term flagship means…
Sounds like you just need to learn words properly, the only one wrong here is you using an established term incorrectly and are conflating a small phone as a “flagship” which has NEVER been the case. Please provide an example of a flagship being small and compact, I would love to see how you came to fuck this well established term up so horrendously.
I went from a Pixel 6 Pro (I believe the one on the left might be a Pixel 6 Pro as well) to a Pixel 9 Pro recently and it’s just about the perfect size for a phone IMO (6.3").
Close, it’s a pixel 7 pro. Practical identical from appearance.
The 9 pro looks to be the same size as the 7a, which is still a bit bigger than I want but way more reasonable than I was expecting
With a Spigen Tough Armor case, right? Had one on my 6 Pro, too, saved it from quite a few nasty drops.
When you consider the 9 Pro’s screen to body ratio it’s pretty compact, especially for a flagship. Ten years ago a phone of its size would have maybe had a 5" screen.
The problem is they took it too far.
Plus, the larger phones do actually fit in my hands, so…
Well, yes.
However I do feel that top vanilla Samsung (S2x) and iPhone (normal Pro, especially since the 16 has the good snappers like the big model) at least still fit the bill of being natural one-hanged-phones.
Even Sony ships of flags (1 … of which “1 IV” runs Lineage OS!) while big arent as wide and much more handy.
But, I cannot help myself thinking that there must be some market sense in like actually small but premium phones. Something like a 4.2" slab with a 4" screen (thin bezels) and proper cams.
Since shitty versions exist, it must be just less profitable for the big brands to get in to (and phone startups can’t make much difference until Linux phones come of age to handle the software side of upgrades and security/privacy).
No way. I have an S24, and this thing is huge compared to my S10. Which was already bigger than I wanted. The last phone I’ve had that I liked the size of was the S6.
I definitely would love a 4.2" slab.
I thought about the 1 IV, because it still had a headphone jack. But there was a deal going for the S24. That’s how they get ya.
Yes, Sony phones are a bit expensive.
I’m not sure what are you taking about the size difference between S10 & S24 tho … they are the same size (if anything one could say S24 has gotten smaller)?
Did you per change purchase the vanilla S20 but the plus S24 model? :)Oh, I have the 24+, I guess. It’s way too big. The S10 was an OK size, but I want smaller than that even.
May I ask why did you get the plus model if the non-plus model was too big already?
Because my S10 died a day before a business trip, and they had it in-stock.
I like how the Pixel devices, while not small, are putting the flagship features in both the “normal” size model and the XL/Plus.
