It didn’t used to be like this. Maybe take it up with the brave patriot who’s made it his sacred duty to repost ml memes to world, in the hopes of convincing the world admins to defederate from ml. https://lemmy.world/comment/15251475
lol!
critical support to that lone soldier, I hope he succeeds in his mission, I would love to never see another .world post
Oh no, whatever will all the rest of us do without chronic reposters who are allergic to reading articles?
I agree and I think we should merge instances too, and maybe appoint a CEO to take care of it. we can call it lemmit.
I can be the CEO if I get 30 million euros a year.
MAKE .WORLD EVERYTHING!
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Just chiming in to throw some light hearted shade at lemmy.world for defederating from the piracy communities. My time on lemmy.world was really poor, and I came away not thinking too highly of Lemmy as a whole. My experience in different instances has been a world of difference, and I finally get fantastic content in my feeds and am fully on board with Lemmy
Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.
Which instance are you using? I’ve been using world since start, but open to others. Never really looked into it too much.
Hexbear.net (currently chapo.chat) is good, if you’re a Communist or Anarchist. What kind of interests do you have? Dbzer0 has a bunch of great piracy resources, as an example.
Loads of instances do not federate with hexbear.
Surely it’s only a good instance if you’re happy with a much less federated experience, to say nothing of the usual complaints people have of hexbear users.
There are some instances that defederated from Hexbear, but largely instances like Lemmy.world. Hexbear is active enough on its own, federation is just a bonus.
I’m curious why you said “instances like Lemmy.world”
https://chapo.chat/post/505181
Looks like the nice people, the canadians, the LGBT, the trans people, the furries, the new zealanders, the programmers, the germans, and the environmentalists defederated with Hexbear, in terms of instances that have a strong theming. The only common trend I can identify between those groups is that they all tend left of center. Except perhaps the germans, given current events.
So when you said “instances like Lemmy.world”, did you mean leftists?
Not at all, I mean generally right-wing liberal instances. Many Leftist or general instances are federated with Hexbear, like Mander or Lemm.ee.
We could go into the reasons for defederation, if you want.
Ah, so you mean that many right wing instances are deferated, and ALSO the queers, the trans people, and the furries. Interesting. If both the left and the right are opposed to Hexbear, that would logically suggest Hexbear is centrist.
a Communist or Anarchist
What a clever way to say anarchists aren’t communists. I’m proud of you, tankie. You guys are always so subtle.
That’s not what I was implying, historically “Communist” has been used for Marxists. Anarcho-Communism is only one type of Anarchist, there are Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anarcho-Primitivists, etc, meanwhile Marxism is always Communist.
Anarchists and Marxists do want different end-results, Anarchists want full decentralization and Marxists want full centralization and democratization, but are aligned in opposition to Capitalism and Imperialism and wish to create a more just and equitable society for all.
Marxism is always Communist
Well, if you mean genuine marxists, then yes. But many non-marxist, non-communist groups call themselves marxists, such as Stalinists, who argue for Socialism In One Country against Marx’s advice. You’ve got to look out for those.
Socialism in One Country isn’t against Marx at all. The argument between Socialism in One Country and Permanent Revolution was whether it was worth building up Socialism while also supporting global revolution, or devote all resources to global revolution and give up on Socialism until then. Permanent Revolution ended up being generally wrong, and depended on the Peasantry being incapable of genuine alliance with the Proletariat, which was wrong.
Genuinely, what do you think Socialism in One Country means to where it goes against Marx? Communism must be global, but Socialism begins with the Proletariat taking control.
I’m on lemm.ee! It seems to have a good balance of users and sensible defederation. On mobile, the app you use make a world of a difference too. Both Jerboa and Thunder (Android) were mid tier experiences, but now I’m using Boost and it’s phenomenal!
EE is nice. They won’t defederate with just about anyone. But so far the mod assholery has been minimal.
my man has no idea on the motivation behind federation
It’s still federated.
They are just trying to say that you don’t want all your eggs in one basket. In my opinion it’s better to have it posted once on either and it shows up in my list. The logic is that if everyone posts on 1 instance, that instance ends up having more power over other instances. For instance it can defederate with another instance and since all the content is on theirs those users would be forced to start over, or join the bigger instance and abide by their rules. Slowly you end up back in a situation like reddit. Where maybe they put ads in, and you have to choose ads and active number of users, or no ads and very little content starting fresh. Spreading out content helps combat enshitification if you will.
the motivation behind federation
but lemmy.ml users are by far funnier and more based
I blocked .world because it’s a centrist shit hole that serves to do nothing but piss me off with whiners who don’t do shit about fuck complaining about tankies and fascists as though their no side taking ass even has a fucking seat at the table.
Fuck .world
If I could only take sides with tankies ot fascist, I wouldnt chose sides either.
I’d take the Marxists over the literal Nazis 10000 times out of 10000, and not a single time would there even be a microsecond of contemplation. One only need to know that the Nazis industrialized mass murder and the Communists focused on improving the lives of the working class to know that it isn’t even worth comparing.
Oh look holocaust trivialization
Ok, that needs a little explaination
Painting Communists and fascists as equal evils originated as a form of Holocaust trivialization called “Double Genocide Theory.” The goal was to make the Nazis seem not as bad by painting the Soviets as just another evil, regardless of material reality. The reality is that Communists have historically been an overall quite positive force compared to liberalism and fascism. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to see an honest comparison and critique that highlights just how wrong equating fascism with Communism is.
First of all: I didnt set them equal. I just said I wouldnt chose either. If you are offering me two meals: A deadly vial of arsenic and some garbage out of your trash, i wouldnt chose too.
And furthermore: Tankie (as far as I understand this word) doesnt mean communist. And the communists I know, dont want to be seen like this.
So please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Equal or similar in awfulness, neither is accurate to reality, and again, has roots in the aforementioned method of Holocaust trivialization called Double Genocide Theory.
“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.
No Communist wants to be seen as this caricature, they’d rather be seen as the Marxists they are, but those who use the term “Tankie” as though it has any meaning contribute to the demonization of Communists.
Ok another try:
If I get offered 2 options, and both options are bad for me, I wouldn’t choose either. By this, I dont rank their “badness”, I just tell that those options are not suitable for me. Not more not less.
Like arsenic and trash. They are both not suitable for me. But I dont rank them. I just say " no".
I my bubble the term tankie means somethin like a neo-sowjet, who thinks that the SU was heaven on earth. Not a communist. To be honest, I havent invested any real effort in researching this. But I just quotet the word, theyre not my words.
And once again Please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Hey i remember you. last time we had this convo and i pointed out some key facts about the dissolution of the USSR (after you claimed it was murdered) you threw an epic tantrum and started screaming about fake news.
I don’t remember any of that at all, mind linking it? What facts did I deny? The USSR was dissolved intentionally, not really as a result of inherent issues with Socialism, that’s true at least.
Edit: oh, I found it in your modlog. I didn’t throw an “epic tantrum,” nor did I scream. I responded to your claims with evidence and articles after you gish-galloped, and then you refused to read them because you didn’t want to “do homework.” Odd miscategorization, I must say.
What a wonderful misrepresentation of reality. Ah well, as you said, it’s modlogged so good luck pretending
Cowbee already answered your question but I’d like to point out that as a German you really need to be careful about what propaganda you believe about the Soviet Union and Stalin. Keep in mind that Germans killed 26 million soviet citizens less than a hundred years ago.
First they came for the tankies, and I said good fuck em that’s between y’all
Dude you need to broaden your circles
Yeah let’s just centralize all of this bullshit.
/s
One main community greater than others with the same topic on a decetralized platform ≠ centralization.
To be fair, it is one form of centralization; although, I admit, I was twisting the meaning of the term a bit to fit my sarcastic remark.
That being said, as primarily a shitposting lurker who only occasionally actually creates content designed for sharing, I don’t mind the extra communities. I’m no stranger to seeing reposts, and I get my kicks from leaving the odd comment that may or may not spawn some sort of rant (usually from myself, not the other parties), but hopefully just tickles someone, and then scrolling to the next. If it’s the same thing, I just keep scrollin’.
I could see how it would be irritating to post to multiple communities designed around the same idea, but perhaps the solution is more like turning each community into an aggregate of all similar communities. You could opt your community into a master community, and any post made in one would get shared to all of them.
I mean I would still like to get rid of the same meme being posted 5 times in 2h…
Ye
Centralize the output but it’s only replicated across each imstance.
Yeah we eventually got to that in the other comments. It was a whole thing
Your proposal is much too streamlined.
Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!
Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.
Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.
Memes, uhh, find a way.
Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.
Ok.
I think it would be cool if something like “meta-communities” existed. Fully adjustable, fully optional. Less duplicates.
You’d sub to one meta c/memes or c/news and see a combined feed of all known instance’s versions. Post to whichever you want, show up in the meta (if you want).
If you still want to block from the meta sub or individually sub to c/memes on ABC instance, you could do that. Moderation would be subject to the instance the user posted on, subject to broader instance admin’s defederations and stuff.
Idk just a quick idea. Decentralization is good, but a little bit of… aggregation like this could go a long way without actually centralizing power. Could help communities (big and small niche) to grow.
So, think through how this looks in the long run. Hell, just think about what this prioritizes.
You have five communities covering the same topic. There’s, what? 500? 1000? 2000 people active in them? Enough that there is a steady stream of posts and comments in all of them. They’re all housed on separate websites, and those websites maybe have different goals and different rules. So, people start lumping them together in aggregate feeds.
What does that look like? In practice, how do users treat this?
They treat it as if they’re all one community. As if they’re all in one place. All managed by one cohesive set of rules (or, realistically, most people treat all spaces as if none of them have rules, and then put up a stink when they’re met with the consequences of this).
Then, they start expecting to not see duplicates. So, which community’s posts do they see when there are multiples? Oh, that’s easy: all of them! They will start expecting comments to be merged. So, now you have people treating all of the communities not only as if they’re interchangeable, but as if they’re all one.
This is a backdoor to not just homogenization, but to quiet hostile takeovers of smaller communities by larger ones. All because users are too damn entitled to just pick one that most closely meets their needs and contribute to it.
We don’t need meta-communities. We need people to get over their fucking FOMO.
Those are actually all really good points. Nevermind about my idea then…
I’ve been saying this over a year ago:
https://lemmy.world/comment/708523
This why lemmy and federation instances are so missing and empty. We don’t even have the option to make custom subscription lists or I’d have manually done that. It’s so badly needed
Isn’t RSS what you’re describing?
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Sounds like a whole app idea.
This is a fantastic idea. I really love the decentralization of Lemmy, but I do feel the side effects of having many copies of the same subject on different instances.
And to your point, I’d love for niche communities to have a larger audience. I need somewhere to post and read about project zomboid.
There was some proposal that I have seen multiple times on Lemmy and at least once on the GitHub repo that communities should be able to subscribe to each other much like users can subscribe to communities. I vastly prefer this to other proposals such as auto-merging communities with the same name, which I can think of a few ways that can go wrong.
It would also be reasonably intuitive for the average user, since following stuff is already a familiar action you take on social media. You wouldn’t really need to understand the quirks of federation to know why posting to one community makes it appear on other downstream communities. And as far as I know about ActivityPub (which is admittedly not much), it’s not a stretch use it to implement a feature like this.
I wonder if this proposal ever reached anywhere.
The idea that I’m talking about is actually more like communities forming a network, with chains of following. If I host a new instance and create a memes community in it, I’d like to start having that community follow memes @ lemmy.ml and memes @ lemmy.world, so that the community already has content from the get-go, but users may be able to post memes that are unique to my instance and its followers. The followers would also see memes from upstream unless my community unfollows them, as long as they don’t also follow them independently.
This model of the network would allow each community to independently determine which other communities it thematically implies, without the user having to follow all 4 communities with the same name but different content across the platform.
The multireddit suggestion is more like having directories/tags for communities. It wouldn’t achieve quite the same thing, but it would be useful as well. Both ideas can coexist and complement each other.
What am I looking at?
That’s a hyperlink. Some new www-stuff which was recently developed in one of our planet’s greates research Institutes which also has a great particle collider.
A better proposal in my eyes would be a “improved cross-post”. Currently crossposts are just posts that link to the other post, thus making two separate conversations and double the spam for people.
My proposal would be for a crosspost to act like a true link to the original, where people wouldn’t see them as two independent psots but the cross posting would just expand the amount of people that sees the original. Users that click on the cross posted post are directed to the instance it was originally posted, and the conversations are kept simple.
I guess that to implement this we would need to change how a post appears to people, it would in a way look like a post from community A that shows in community B, but the ID of the post is the same so it shows up once in feeds. Dunno.
We could find a solution for that, couldn’t we?
E: It’s something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
Having two communities is not the worst idea imho
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To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
You’re right now let’s start our own com on a completely different instance. /s
You don’t have to join an instance to participate in their community.
isn’t the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?
I created an instance for one specific community so that users won’t be affected by who federates from who (unless you’re a spam instance or something like that)
There’re some different ideas in the thread now, basically a fediverse type of consolidation.
Options are better than useless limitations (ignoring scope creep)
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Again something the mods have to talk about. It’s something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
All my homies hate .ml and rightfully so.
Moving more communities away from .ml is what we should be doing not the other way around.
As others have pointed out, if you try to move to .ml people will just riot and make a new community elsewhere. Dont try, its a ridiculously stupid idea.
Most people don’t hate Lemmy.ml, it’s a vocal minority more common on some instances than others.
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I’d say the homophobia/misogyny coming from your comment is more of a turn off to me than Marxists, personally.
Dictatorships are cringe and your attempt to deflect from your shit beleifs is also cringe.
I don’t support dictatorships, and your belief that homophobia and misogyny is okay when attacking people you don’t agree with is a key sepparation between you and me.
.ml is on of the most abusive and censored communities I have ever seen. While I generally agree with their anti imperialism it ends there.
I’ve been censored far more on Lemmy.world, and never on Lemmy.ml. I got permabanned from Political Memes on Lemmy.world for asking why the mods were removing comments pointing out the Democrats involvement in the genocide of Palestinians, and was tempbanned from Lemmy.world’s asklemmy comm for calling out transphobia.
Lemmy.ml is one of the better servers with respect to “censorship,” it doesn’t defederate from the Leftist instances and it removes bigotry pretty much instantly.
Blocked for denying reality.
Where did I “deny reality?” Lmao. Disagreeing with your opinion isn’t some unholy sin.
Least melodramatic .world user
I’m sure this is the majority opinion on this instance… I’ve got a comment removed on .ml for criticizing it so no wonder you don’t see such comments often
I got banned from Lemmy.world’s political memes community for questioning why mods were removing comments pointing out the Democrat’s involvement with the genocide in Palestine.
Overall, most users are fine with Lemmy.ml, the haters tend to be concentrated on liberal or otherwise anti-left instances.
To be clear: I’m not arguing for .world either. We should decentralize and focus on smaller instances
Sure, but the way to do that isn’t to create tons of general instances, but more specialized ones around a general topic. Lemmy.ml focuses on FOSS and Privacy, and Hexbear focuses on Leftist politics.
I’m scared
Funny but not surprising that my comment got deleted and the one that says the same thing about .world not. They couldn’t prove my point better
Nah. The Lemmy.world mods will ban you for posting or commenting anything that isn’t in line with western propaganda. Fuck merging.
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