DISCO s1e4 “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not…”
Man it was really stupid (and cringe) of them to talk about musk in discovery. And it aged terrible lol
When was this episode aired originally?
All right yeah that’s what I thought. Well past when red flags were already coming up all over the place. No excuse for them to have been worshiping him by that date.
Heeeh, the pedo thing was a year later, that’s when he really exposed himself to the mainstream audience.
To this day , that title is in my list of top 5 titles, and probably the top Disco title.
They could have at least read up about him if they were going to name drop, it was clear if you paid attention back then how bad he was, though it was more understandable for someone not paying attention to not know
Was it before or after the “pedo submarine” thing?
Because I’m having a hard time understanding how much attention one would need to pay.
I think before. Pedo submarine comment was 2018 and I believe this was 2017. He had made crazy comments but nothing was big news at that point iirc
Jason Isaacs improvised the musk part in hopes of getting a Tesla
He mentioned it in an aftershow
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The dumb fuck.
I’m gonna keep believing, he said that because he knew he was from the mirror universe.
OMG yeah that reference aged like a Cybertruck.
That would mean not at all, or is it because blew up in their face? Or because the reference just didn’t work? Or because it’s stupid, man this line of yours has layers.
Honestly, a better analogy is Henry Ford.
Yes Henry Ford certainly had no problematic aspects
I mean that Henry Ford was an overt fascist, so the comparison to Musk is more apt.
See also Thomas Edison.
Though to be fair, I am pretty sure Edison wasn’t a fascist, because fascism hadn’t been invented yet
Hadn’t been invented, or just hadn’t been discovered yet?
Hadn’t been marketed properly.
I just watched this series in the last year and I remember scoffing when I heard that, lol I had no idea what was coming.
Also being kinda new to Star Trek, is there a joke about Frakes? My wife and I always joke that when an episode makes no fucking sense, it was directed by JFrakes, and I wonder if its something like a joke among trek fans
Usually the more complex and deep episodes are Frakes. When you see his name as director, you know you’re in for a great ride. It’s probably partly because he’s ST royalty so he can push the envelope and doesn’t need to play it safe for his career.
His episodes make no sense at all in Disco, which is saying something for a show that makes no sense at all, but his ds9 EPs are pretty good.
What a weird take. He directed first contact. The drum head. The search, and past tense. All great.
Its so crazy, fuck me for having opinions!
I haven’t seen TNG or First Contact since it was on the air. I remember FC being good, and the Frakes episodes of ds9 are good. We were watching Disco, and in that case, his episodes are just bizarre.
Sorry I’m not interested in having sex with you
Based on your name, I assume you have a thing for killing your sexual partners with isotoners on. I am not in favor.
Yeah right, the gloves fit about as well as cohesive plot points in a JFrakes episode of Disco
Guess we best acquit then
Even before it became common knowledge that Elon Musk was a twat, I found the way the media fellated him to be egregious.
They were paid to 100%. A twat like that hires entire companies to manage his public persona. At least until he started to take matters into his own hands more and more
It didn’t start with the media, it started with the crypto libertarians and tech bros. I might be misremembering but I think the news media got on their knees in the mid 2010s.
Well, that and the stupid cameo in iron man. But in general when people say media these days they mean the fourth estate not paramount pictures
In the mid 2010’s when Tesla started producing real electric cars and SpaceX first landed a rocket on a floating raft, he genuinely seemed like a visionary who was going to fix a lot of our problems.
Unfortunately at some point he decided he wanted to be the source of most of our problems.
I miss 2010s Musk, or what we thought he was. It rapidly become apparent he was a moron who used his birth lottery money to luck into even more money.
My head canon is that Paul Stamets has no idea who the fuck Musk is, and that he didn’t want to interrupt Captain Lorca’s seemingly encouraging speech. So this is definitely a slip (in my head canon) since Musk is definitely a prominent historical figure in the Mirror Universe.
My headcanon for this is that the events between the early 21st century and the show’s time, given they were full of some rather devastating wars, led to the true history of what he actually was like getting largely forgotten, leaving his pr campaigns the main source of information history has to go on him, and this leaving the people of the future with an idea of who he was that is much nicer than reality.
You don’t even really have to headcanon it! The Voyager episode 11:59 touched on this, with Janeway’s ancestor being very different in reality than what spotty records had led her family to believe for generations.
Seriously can’t escape Elon Musk fucking anywhere. Putting on a filter only helps slightly.
I understand but he is the unofficial president of one of the most powerful nations in the world. It is going to continue like this until he is brought out of power through one way or another.
But Lemmy was obsessed with him far before his ties to the current administration. No reason to believe it won’t continue after the next four years.
I was implying that you’ll be seeing this until he’s dead. It’s also a little presumptuous at this point to say it’s only gonna be four years with him, what with them trying to change term limits and all.
Elon Musk must have been a decent guy in the Mirror Universe.
Mirror universe Musk would probably be a humanitarian on the scale of Norman Borlaug, if the pendulum swings just as hard the other way.
And Mirror Trump solved world hunger and cured cancer.
Thanks for this. I skip mirror EPs on DS9. I can see how writers might enjoy doing anything they want with the characters, but it’s not fun to sit through a bunch of rapid fire no consequence ‘‘what if’’ plotlines. I don’t mind eps where it’s a thought out plot with characters that are in character, where everything gets status quo’d at the end, is OK as long as the story is worth it, but 20min of Major Kira as a sex offender for no reason is a big no.
fair enough
personally, I think DS9 used the Mirror Universe well. As you say, it’s enjoyable for the writers. I also think the cast had a lot of fun with them - cut loose and go full camp.
Staying in the mirror universe is what kills me. I liked the first half of STD’s season 1 well enough. But after revealing that Lorka was from the mirror universe and then spending the rest of the season there? That’s not fun at all. Just boring.
I skip them for the exact same reason.
I also skip most of the holodeck episodes (I would never skip a Moriarty episode though!)
No, he was a normal guy in the normal universe. We’re in the mirror…
How much do you think Musk paid to get his name dropped? I bet you he paid too much.
He didn’t have to pay for that back then. He was worshipped by the rich pseudo progressive people, meaning modern Star Trek producers and writers.
Back when he had a PR team.
He likely still has one, he just pays them and dosen’t listen.
He even was in the second Iron Man, because back then he was viewed as a real life Tony Stark. That was before he openly showed what a fucking bigot he was
He was in there because Marvel used locations from his companies for filming, and that was (at least part of) his payment.
Doesn’t explain how Tilly attended Musk Junior High School, though.
Musk “Junior High School”, or “Musk Junior” High School?
Musk has like a thousand kids…one of them might turn out to be worthy of naming a school after.
You think Khan Academy is named after Ghengis?
Also mirror.
I fucking FORGOT about that part lol
It’s pretty risky to name drop a living person, and they did it just to seem a bit more modern.
I heard somewhere the guy said that in the hopes that musk would give him a Tesla or something 😅
Oof.
Is the fucker broke or something
How much fucking money is isaacs worth again?
Didn’t they also use a real life politician to play a fictional politician?
Yeah, Stacey Abrams from Georgia. So far no landmines but you never know.
To be fair, at least then they are playing a character and not any more likely to become problematic in that context than any actor. You still have a separation between the real life person and the character.
Have we considered that the Wright Brothers may have been massive megalomaniacal douches that took credit for someone else’s invention too, and this statement is entirely consistent?
You could talk with Brazilians about Santos Dumont…
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Or Clément Ader in France !
How funny would it be if they did a George Lucas and just edited the audio to remove Musks name.
Elmo would be so mad. His ego wouldn’t be able to take it.
Feels like they at least have to add a warning like this:
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It’s from 2017, right? It was very clear Musk was an idiot back then too.
Maybe not as comically evil as he is now, but still.Everyone acts like we collectively only realized he was an idiot like 2 years ago. I remember when I first heard about him in college around 2016 I didn’t like him even then. His ego was clearly apparent and his “progressive persona” was obviously a persona.
I remember back in 2014-2015, working the night shift and watching a video about Elon, which gushed about him being an entrepeneur, and found it really strange to make all the claims about him being a fantastic person just because he ran a business.
This was peak hyperloop hype, which was also very odd to me, as I remember reading a pop-sci magazine a decade earlier about Swiss metro, which was the same idiotic concept, but with less cool graphics…
The cave rescue thing was 2018 and it’s often brought up as the turning point in people’s perception of musk, so fair enough I guess?
Stamets is named after Paul Stamet, who’s one part legit mycologist researcher, one part mushroom cure-all, woo peddler. He at least has the sense to compartmentalize his books. “The Mushroom Cultivator” remains the goto, soup-to-nuts book on cultivating mushrooms.
Hawking didn’t age poorly.
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