Wait a minute… TIL that Lemmy existed in the late 1970’s!? 🤪🤡🤥🫠

Some humans are more adaptive than others. The ones that have been sitting around with their heads in the sand aren’t going to survive.

Billion, with a “B”.

And no. We could also discover how to travel into alternate realities instead, or perhaps wake up from The Matrix? :-P

There are also a variety to ways to live differently, like a biodome even if partial. Many solutions working together rather than one singular one “saving” the day.

And this is Uplifting News - which is what it’s all about!:-)

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Personally, the “renewable” energies aren’t making me hopeful. Because they are absolutly not renewable, they can’t be build without pollution because of the materials you need. And even so, climate change is not even the worst of our existential threats, there are many more, but strangely, people are only talking about climate.

A bit sad how pessimistic everyone is.

Americans are pessimistic because we don’t have a functional democracy and our fascist oligarchs are too stupid to use their resources to fight climate change… And the rest of the world is pessimistic because the world’s most powerful economy and military has fallen to fascist oligarchy.

Nothing will change until we abolish the billionaires and replace our two party system with a modern multiparty parliamentary system with proportional representation

Actually, it’s too late, because those in power are accelerating in the wrong direction and we are less and less able to prevent them to do so.

And even so, given the current state of the society, even the “best case scenario” will be enough to make it collapse.

There are always best and worst case scenarios.

We are currently comprehensively losing the battle for 3C@2100 (which comes with increasingly harmful-to-devastating impacts in the intervening years and decades: future climate refugees will make the current not-far-off-a-London a decade seem like a picnic. A situation fascists will no doubt exploit).

It looks like the only way to prevent 4C plus and, a future Earth only described in science fiction, is mass civil disobedience.

But the UK government appears to be the worst in any civilised country in terms of squashing dissent, and most of the public appears to be more concerned with not being delayed on their commutes.

O…k…a…y… lemme just get right onto that now… You know what, I think I’ll take a nap, and perhaps get back to it tomorrow? 👨‍🔬☢️💥

The US is fucked anyway, but if China and the EU worked together, greatness could be approved on potentially the most important front:

Economic sanctions to countries with grid power coming from carbon/ non renewable resources above a certain percentage

However, the one I’m most curious about is the following:

Blowing an 88 megatons hydrogen bomb under the sea, below 8 to 12 Km under the ocean floor surface to trigger about 30 years of carbon capture in a second

How would this work? I’m really interested in the mechanics of this, not so much the feasibility (which is non-existent anyway)

I’m a pessimist in that even in the best possible situation humans would still find a way to overpopulate the earth until no solution is viable. We are parasites

That’s why we do what we can to reduce it just like the post said! Wow!!!

There’s an interesting graph that someone posted in https://aussie.zone/comment/14827931, but I am no expert so I have no idea personally, just sharing that, which seems to suggest that the highest areas are residential energy and road transportation. Whether that in turn traces to Methane I have no idea:-).

This is a well established climate-change-laggard argument. It’s the whataboutism logical fallacy.

Why should I take action, at great personal cost, when someone else is not taking action and will in fact benefit from my burden?

The Australian (and other) governments hide behind this same excuse. “Australia is just a small country, why should we take action when our CO2 production is just a small portion of that of other countries like China?”.

I mean it’s a good point, billionaires are worthy of great criticism, and Australia should be putting pressure on other countries, but at the same time we as individuals really do need to be taking action.

I do agree that polluting corporations use this narrative and I also find it infuriating. It’s particularly palpable with plastic producers, as in plastic pollution is not their fault, but the fault of consumers failing to recycle. It’s not the fault of consumers, it’s the fault of regulators, who are elected by voters who are also consumers.

In summary, the whole thing is fucked and everyone sucks, but you still have to tidy up your own shit.

True, but also don’t allow perfection to be the enemy of good.

I recall in Star Wars when the Jedi accused the Trade Federation of having invaded Naboo. Did it really? This needs to be verified, doesn’t it? Oh but wait, it’s the word of “Jedi”, right, not just “some guys”? Yeah but can we really play at favoritism? Wait, how is that favoritism when they have an established mandate to help protect the Republic… and on and on.

Ironically, they could have sent an entire fleet, and if it turned out to be a simple misunderstanding, then oops, so well, now we know not to trust even “Jedi” in the future.

People are really bad at measuring the cost of NOT acting. Like yeah, vaccines can cause all kinds of things up to and including death… but then again, so too can a deadly disease?!

Anyway, the job of science is to figure stuff out and communicate what was found - not even - necessarily, at least usually - including translation to the general public, which is more of a reporting task. Politics doesn’t even begin to enter into that. So I think it’s awesome that this science post is pointing out some facts that may be relevant as people discuss the political ramifications and next steps. Ofc communication is a 2-way endeavor and if politicians don’t understand what the scientist is saying, they can ask questions, but so far the OOP scientist here seems to have done her part, and quite well it looks to me (who admittedly knows next to nothing whatsoever about climate science, but at least this seems to have succeeded at the communicate clearly portion:-).

Okay. But every minute we can delay reaching that threshold will be worth it.

To me it’s the same as the US democracy right now. Yes it’s far too late to see no ill effects and we are already facing the consequences, but every act of resistance to unlawful, immoral and unconstitutional orders slow them down, and with enough co-ordination may slow them down enough before Trump and the oligarchs become truly unstoppable.

For any issue that effects our world’s existence, stand boldly and take action. Don’t let the fear of the inevitability of it consume you.

No offense, but this is exactly the kind of active pessimism that this post is trying to combat. The only mindset that creates positive change is active optimism. In other words, hope for better and taking action to try and get there.

Note that this is not to be confused with inactive optimism. “Everything will just work out on its own”. That also doesn’t work.

Active pessimism is the most damaging mindset, though, because it actively drains others of their will to make things better. Feeling hopeless is real and understandable, I’ve been feeling it, too. Spreading it around and shutting down those who are trying to do better isn’t the way to process it, though.

That’s because billionaires like Robert Murdock own all our media and they use their power to push disinformation to undermine class solidarity and democracy.

If we want to save the world then we have to get rid of the billionaires asap as they are the greatest threat to democracy.

Then maybe don’t leave it up to them. This OOP refers to a goal, not a process.

Really? I knew it had gotten bad over there since the Rexodus but wow, it sounds rough. I’m so glad we are over here in The Good Place instead. Wait a minute…!? 🤡