Seriously, where are 99% of the life begins at conception people on the meat industry?
One single HUMAN cell, everyone knows humans are above all animals
Seriously, where are 99% of the life begins at conception people on the meat industry?
hunting and eating steaks, singing
This is necessary, life feeds on life feeds on life…
I think that being vegan/vegetarian is more ethical than eating meat due to the use of resources, treatment of animals etc.
But this kind of dumbass shit doesn’t help your cause.
I don’t understand your stance. Being vegan is more ethical, but eating meat is necessary? Surely if meat is necessary then an omnivorous diet is most ethical?
the song is meant to be what the conception people think, but…
it is necessary for certain people, and it’s easier to achieve certain things by eating meat/animal products. I am an omnivore, but I understand that veganism is more ideal, I just don’t have the capability of achieving it (I can’t even eat properly on an omnivore diet).
They are pro-birth. They are absolutely not pro-life.
I think they’re anti-woman.
That explains the obsession with cows’ milk…
Anytime someone throws a fit about noncows milk being called milk, “Like, you know why they produce milk, right?”
Think? We fucking know.
But that’s different!
Honestly though, is “but it’s different” a proper informal fallacy?
Not quite identical, but there are some that are close
I think “but it’s different” is actually just special pleading:
Some of them explain this away with “Humans have souls, animals don’t”.
And yet many can be up in arms about dogs & cats being eaten in some regions despite that claim
This is a great counterpoint, ill have to remember it next time I’m having a discussion about the subject.
dogs go to dog heaven, duh
of they got souls! /sI don’t care what species it is
I have three requirements for meat:
- It isn’t human flesh
- It isn’t rotten
- It’s cooked properly
what about sushi?
im going to assume the chef knows what they’re doing
Apparently that soul doesn’t matter when trying to prevent it from dying from preventable diseases with vaccines and nurturing it with affordable education.
Don’t you know it’s much more preferable for your child to die of a preventable illness than for them to get autism from vaccines which is totally a thing that happens?
/s of course
When I infodump for 2 hours straight I can see why they would prefer if I died /s
It’s even worse. One of the contributing factors for autism is fine dust particles in pollution from fossil fuels. And the ones against vaccines are often also the ones for fossil fuels.
If you’re really being serious, then the answer is that most (or, at least, the vocal majority) of those people don’t even really care about living children. I don’t see that type of person generally giving any more care to a non-human being than they would a human being, and they already don’t care about people other than themselves.
“Pro-life” has always been a misnomer. More honest descriptions would be “anti-choice” or “pro-forced birth.”
Pro-life
In their mind, is still just breeding more cheap disposable labor
Serious in that they should stand up for non-human animals, but in the kind of way where you also know the answer as to why 99% aren’t
The ice grows thinner…
Why else do they constantly vote and campaign against measures to improve children’s lives?
Well, most christians here would not agree with americans on many issues, christianity is not the problem.
I haven’t seen Christianity mentioned in the post, or the comment you’re replying to… And neither have been edited.
Yeah, in my defense, my head hurts like shit and I can barely think.
Christians are usually the ones against abortions, and it seemed to me the people the original comment was talking about were conservative christians, but I see how my comment is not entirely relevant.
Fair enough, I have that too sometimes
It’s anti-woman.
The real true reason most people are against abortion isn’t because they don’t believe it’s a necessity. It’s because they are afraid that some woman won’t be punished for having sex. Whether or not the fetus survives isn’t the point, it’s that someone has to be punished for enjoying life.
It’s racism. They think human lives are more important than other races.
It is so prevalent that this type of bigotry actually has its own name: specieism
beat me to it (by only 11h :D)
Yes, exactly. The complexity of the human soul is uncomparable to the basic impulses of any animal.
Embryos don’t have souls. The soul develops during the third trimester.
If you can play music into your belly and get a kick, that thing has a soul. But there’s a lot of time where it’s not that developed.
Poor choice of words on my part, perhaps. Maybe, if I chose "mind, instead of the more poetic word “soul” people would not reply about how an embryo is not ensouled.
But please tell me, was your original comment about racism towards animals sarcastic? It is sometimes hard to tell, and it seems almost like a position someone would hold.
I’m genuinely a vegan because I think racism is wrong.
Single cells don’t have a mind either. Minds are made of neurons. An embryo begins developing neural cells during the fifth week of development. That’s just a few neurons, though, not a full brain. A fetus doesn’t get smart enough to process sounds until the late second. If a mind isn’t even complex enough to process any sensory information, is it more deserving of life than a cow? Cows like to run in the grass and play. They have social relationships. Fetuses aren’t that complex.
Obviously I am not talking about fetuses. I responded to the racism comment and the inner lives of people are generally not that complicated when tbey are in the womb. I am just using this as a reason to value humans over animals.
Also, minds are not made out of neurons, brains are.
If one human’s inner life were more complex than another’s, would you value their life more?
No, I wouldn’t.
While humans and animals have inner worlds that are orders of magnitude apart in terms of complexity, I would say that most people feel more or less the same emotions, but of course some people are more self-actualised, but everyone has the potential for that, even if it is not realised.
And it is impossible to compare this complexity in practice, of course, as there are no criteria for measuring that. Also, every human is unique in a sense and is valuable precisely because of that.
Ultimately, our values are impossible to defend. We can either share them or not, I do not care much about the animals, you do, this is fine by me.
A single cell
Definitely seems the type to make Star Wars analogies
Where exactly in the single cell is the soul stored?
<waves hands mystically>
Says what, some ancient text?
Speciesism, but yes
The human race thinks they’re the supreme race, better than the other races.
I was just listening yesterday to this episode of Citations Needed
Citations Needed: Episode 80: Animal Rights as Media and Pop Culture Punchline
Episode webpage: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/citationsneeded/CN80_20190619_animal_rights_Gruen_Ko.mp3
I’m still waiting for them to stop celebrating birthdays.
Yeah but if babies were delicious we would eat them too
I’m told humans taste like pork.
Some cultures that actually have cannibalism refer to human flesh as “long pig” or similar because of the resemblance.
Is this implying you know for certain that human babies aren’t? Maybe we should be a little concerned how you figured that one out
So I ate a baby big whoop wanna fight about it?
Baby Big Whoop? Damn there’s a whole product line now?
I’ve got a modest proposal for you…
I wanted to say that but wasn’t swift enough.
