Summary
Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, an 11-year-old girl from Gainesville, Texas, died by suicide after enduring months of bullying over her family’s immigration status.
Classmates allegedly mocked her and threatened to report her family to ICE. The school was aware of the bullying but failed to notify Carranza’s family.
Her mother, Marbella Carranza, only learned of the harassment after her daughter’s death and is now working with investigators and the school to understand what happened and why she was not notified.
“failed”.
What are the chances they just ignored it, intentionally?
I’m willing to bet that’s exactly what happened. Dollars to doughnuts these were MAGA bullies at a MAGA school with MAGA teachers/“leadership” and the adults either tacitly endorsed the bullying or participated in it themselves. They’re probably glad that she’s dead and (privately, if not publicly) laughing about it because it’s one less “illegal [pejorative]” polluting their white community. I genuinely think we’re at that level of near-genocidal dehumanization at this point.
Exactly. And it is Texas we’re talking about here.
This is terrible. It’s sad, so sad. The USA is complicit for the deaths of the Gazan kids by Netanyahu already, and now this. This is how decadent hegemonies look like.
And I’m sure that MAGA scum are cheering about it.
MAGA are all about keeping the children unsafe.
There’s no greater threat to a child than a Trump supporter.
Yes but God loves fetuses!
/s
Disgusting. Fuck those hateful bullies and the parents who taught them.
At 11? Christ, that is devastating.
Yeah I’m kinda speechless. It doesn’t bear thinking about but I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.
What was she doing?
Committing suicide?
Right nevermind then. I interpreted your statement as if the girl was doing something wrong that caused her to bullied into suicide
Oh you’re asking if she could relatively conceive of what life would be like without her in it, especially to her family and friends. If she had that level of mindfulness and could pre-meditate the consequences.
I mean, she was 11. And even fully grown adults can barely know what the consequences of their actions will be, so I doubt this was ever something considered.
It was probably a combination of short-term pain felt by herself and shame felt towards her family that led to the breaking point. Makes me dissociate just thinking about this story
What the OP doesn’t realize is that if one is at the point of suicide, the loss to their family and friends doesn’t even cross their minds no matter the age.
All they can think of is ending the pain. Doesn’t matter if you’re 11 or 30.
The comment is stupid and clearly OP has never spoken with a suicidal person before. All they’re doing is victim blaming.
Alternatively, they do think of their loved ones but through the lens of, “their lives would be better without me.”
I can’t help but wonder if her bullies may have made this poor girl think she might be responsible if her parents faced repercussions from immigration policies. Regardless, it’s a tragedy that a life was lost so young and it’s inconceivable that the school took no action that may have prevented it.
Yeah, let’s blame her.
Blame?
I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.
That’s not blame.
That’s a perfectly normal thing to wonder.
- Was the bullying so bad it caused 12 year old suicide?
- Or being 11, did they have a fully comprehensive understanding of what suicide is?
These are both very plausible and terrible things.
No 'blame" in there. Get off that soapbox and back onto earth.
- yes, it was? because it did? i don’t understand what part of this you’re still wondering about. it already happened.
- no one does. what is “fully comprehensive” anyway? like how far does it go? no one can tell what the full ramifications of a suicide can be. doesn’t matter the age. if the question is about whether or not they know about what death is, then yes they know. an 11 year old isn’t a baby.
- soap boxes aren’t that tall. no matter where you find them, you can be sure they’re squarely on earth.
if the question is about whether or not they know about what death is, then yes they know
It’s not that simple though is it.
An 11 year old can probably explain what death means, but not really understand the permanence or significance of the event especially in the context of the transience of bullying.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11 year old or maybe even been one. they understand it as much as anyone in that situation would. point being no one in that situation fully does. that’s not the state of mind that typically leads to suicide.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11-year old. They’re typically incapable of doing things so traumatic that a person with an comprehensive understanding of life and suicide would take the suicide option. The stats are so insignificant they can barely be acknowledged.
I find it quite crass that you’re so staunchly opposed to other people.contemplating multiple explanations for such an ordeal. First you throw in the word “blame” out of context, but I think it’s worse that you’re putting this much energy into keeping the narrative in such a black and white manner for what can only be assumed is that it best suits your political views.
As said before—and whether you fit into it or mot—its normal human behaviour to contemplate and consider such things, especially with death. You can’t lash out at people for being normal just because you don’t like it.
What?
I’m not blaming her?
Okay hear me out. I give this one single try. If you do not take your time to think about this and double down on your ignorance I will not further engage.
A little girl has been bullied to a point where she saw no other option than ending her own life. This is huge. It’s one of our must fundamental instincts.
She was murdered. By her bullies, by the system, by everyone who enabled this to happen. She was murdered.
Questioning whether she was fully aware of the consequences shifts the blame from the offenders to her. You imply an overreaction. You imply that the griev, drama, and negative emotions are in no relation to what she has been through. You question whether she has reached out for help enough. You question whether she tried.
Rest assured: she did. https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/341671/9789290228578-eng.pdf?sequence=1
In defense of nuance, I think this take is pretty unreasonable. I understand if you want to call people out for victim-blaming, but it’s very clear the commenter had no malicious intent by wondering about details about the tragedy. Why are we so eager for villains?
I don’t really care whether you engage.
It’s an absurdity to suggest that my comment shifts blame to an 11 year old victim.
Sure ok maybe some asshole Alex Jones type might try to say she over reacted, and they might do that by undermining her agency.
That doesn’t mean that someone wondering about what an 11 year old’s understanding of suicide might be, is doing anything other than grieving for our collective loss of innocence.
It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder in trying to process the death of someone so young.
Sire sounded like you where.
She was fucking 11, you dumbass.
Sorry I don’t really understand what’s so dumb about this question.
If she actually intended suicide (which we don’t know), then to what extent did she understand the permanence of death in the context of the transience of feelings.
What you’re failing to understand is that you’re being an insufferable twat. Do you ask this about adults, too? There are very few people pushed to suicide who consider how transient feelings are, and that’s hardly the point here. You don’t have to face tragedy with obnoxiousness.
If it doesn’t bear thinking about, remove your comment.
I promise you, at 11 you know what death is. And it’s the ADULTS responsibility to protect you anyway. Why are you blaming the victim?
omg that is just heart wrenching. Poor little girl….I am so sorry for you and your family. <3
Hey US, that’s when you know fascism is taking over.
“It [the bullying] had gotten so aggressive, Carranza was meeting with a school counselor multiple times a week. Her family, however, was never notified.”
What the literal fuck. The bullies said the bullying wouldn’t ease up until her family got deported. She was meeting with the school counselor several times a week and the school didn’t separate the bullies out? They didn’t notify the parents? I hope people are held personally liable. Your beloved little girl taking her own life is an unimaginable tragedy.
The president is setting such a shameful example.
Even in my time the person who reported the bullying was treated worse than the bullies, and I’ve been out of school for a while. From what I’ve heard, it’s been getting much worse.
Seriously, the only way to defend yourself against bullying is to beat the crap out of the bully. And you will get repercussions for it, but the bully will think twice next time.
10000%
I was bullied for a long while in school, and much like this girl, went to school officials multiple times with no improvement (likely because one of the bullies had family in the school office). Nothing was done about the bullying until after I took matters into my own hands on multiple occasions.
I still vividly remember when I broke the nose of the office shithead and got called into the principal’s office and threatened with a long out of school suspension, only to get 0 consequences after my grandfather came in and told to principal that he would do no such thing, or there would be a LONG discussion with the local school board (he was a well known person in the community) about how he did fuck all about abuse in his school after repeated notifications and only tried to punish the victim after they defended themselves
I really enjoyed throwing that back in the bully’s face whenever he started his shit again, but looking back my grandfather basically cosigned the principal’s shitty behavior by not making that fucker pay for the shitty decisions he made.
Nobody will be held liable. It will be spun as a horrible tragedy and the school will move on.
Yet they pass these laws forcing teachers to rat on trans kids. Bet if this poor kid went by Carlos instead of Carranza they would have called right away!
These motherfuckers.
I don’t understand this. why would her last name being Carlos change anything? that’s not even a last name
I mean you could just figure out that I clearly misunderstood what her first name was.
ok I see I was a little confused
He’s setting a shameful example while feeling shameless, that’s the part that boggles my mind… like the one day he signed more of his ‘executive orders’, upsetting who knows how many people’s lives again, then hopped away afterwards to go golfing.
I hope the school is sued into bankruptcy. And that all the bullies are suspended indefinately. Why didn’t the councilor call the parents?
Prolife. Smh
It’s just pro-birth. They don’t give a fuck after the cog I mean baby comes out
That’s what hit me the hardest too. This was completely preventable. The lack of response by the school is even more to blame than the bullies. The knot in my stomach wants to deck that school counselor.
I agree that the adults here are the most responsible, but I hope those kids understand the gravity of what they’ve done.
They may not at 11 years old, but this is the sort of thing that sticks with you. We can only hope this teaches them empathy rather than fueling more of this sociopathic behavior they’re likely emulating from their parents.
I hope it haunts them deep in their core for the rest of their lives and they live deep in moral debt in a futile attempt to break-even but simultaneously knowing they never will.
Whether this “breaks even” is a trolley problem, but it’s pretty easy to save lives. Just donate blood, mosquito nets, and vaccinations. It’s just paralyzing because you can’t save everyone.
It won’t. Probably glad their is one less immigrant.
I hope that the family of Jocelyn files numerous wrongful death lawsuits. The school failed. the bullies and their parents failed.
It’s probably exactly zero consolation, but damn.
I was thinking she can’t even sue, without risking her own precarious safety.
Do we even know that her mother is here illegally? The article doesn’t mention and kids are assholes.
The school never bothered to tell the parents their kid was being bullied.
Oh but being Texas they sure as F would’ve told her parents if she was expressing gender dysphoria right? Ye gods what a dumpster fire of a society.
The only reason any of those teachers even wanted her to get older was so they could tell the authorities if she ever missed a period. They’re an unsalvageable species in Texas.
Straight up heartbreaking…
Kids are awful.
Adults are awful.
People are awful.
Texas is awful. The United States is awful.
Cruelty like this is a learned trait, too. These kids didn’t come up with this on their own, they learned the hatred at home.
Welcome to the new america, I guess.
same old racist america just with flashier gadgets
Those kids should be forced to hear her name every morning they wake up for the rest of their lives.
Removing her from their lives was probably their intent with the bullying. Whether or not they considered death over deportation, they got what they wanted.
Maybe I’m too cynical as an outsider looking on to the US but I don’t think these kids will even remember her name in 5 years. Only that they succeeded in preventing whatever DEI /woke word vomit their parents and the media warned them about.
There’s going to be so much blood on Rump roasts hands… I don’t know how he can look himself in the mirror. That’s okay. Karma’s a bitch. The next go around won’t be so easy for them, I’m sure.
Karma isn’t real, don’t count on it handling anything.
RIP
I would like to remind everyone that there are many MANY POC that deal with this, suicide or not. It’s much more common that POC are often the first to be bullied b/c others think they can get away with it. If you want this to stop, you have to call out every instance of it. It’s not just Trump that’s responsible. It’s also all those that sit back and let it happen. If you say you’re against it, then do something about it.
Thus is not a POC this is is a kids are assholes and bullies rarely get in trouble. The fat kid the weird kid the poor kid the kid whatever all get bullied.
Being POC is absolutely a huge factor in being bullied, and I never said it was only a POC thing. All the groups named can be bullied, but in the context of this article, POC-based bullying is absolutely a correct statement to bring up.
