What’s the better alternative?
Any other car?
Not a car
Plenty of other car companies have EVs now. Hell, when they enter the used market, I may pick up an EV F150.
Like every other electric car!
the ones that use about twice as much electricity? or the ones that are way heavier because they use a bigger battery to compensate for the higher usage? say what you will, but tesla are pretty efficient
Damn, what a funny meme.
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So are SUVs from BMW, Porsche or Audi. But heh I live in Europe, I guess the trucks in the US are way worse.
Aren’t you guys seeing a surge in SUVs and similar kind of “useful” vehicles?
Unfortunately yes
Sorry to hear that, then. One could hope the government tries to step in, but there sure will be loads of people to try and defend their right to buy wannabe monster trucks to haul their fragile egos around.
Almost everyone I know with an SUV only has one because “I might need the space someday!” And 99% of the time either leaves random shit in the back or it’s just empty.
Same things with trucks. That bed is almost always vacant.
But the one time they actually use it for the space, it’s suddenly all “see??? I sure am glad I bought a (blank)!”
There are a few exceptions I know, but if the ratio is anything consistent across America, it would explain a lot.
Meanwhile my friend who drives a Prius can fit a surprising amount of stuff in that hatch and still has better acceleration and gas mileage than any of them…
It’s interesting seeing how many around me have pickups essentially as a personality trait with a pristine bed. I only use a pickup when I absolutely need to because diesel is expensive and I get much better mileage in my sedan.
“Prius…better acceleration”
Lol
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This is objectively false. Unless you can prove that someone’s foot can change a cars 0-60 time.
Right, that Blimp person does not know how to drive obviously. As if every car has unlimited acceleration potential that can be simply unlocked by the human foot.
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You’ve never driven one have you? Electric motors are crazy powerful and it’s all torque. My Prius can accelerate faster than my Tacoma. What you are seeing in people driving a Prius is trying to save gas by not accelerating hard. Just because they often don’t doesn’t mean they can’t when it’s needed.
The fastest Prius on the planet is 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. The slowest Tesla on the planet is 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.
“Faster than my Tacoma”. Is it also faster than your mountain bike? Lol
They were talking about SUVs ya dip
Last I checked Tesla makes 2 SUVs.
No one can brag about the acceleration of a Prius with a straight face.
It’s actually a very pretty car, to be fair. Too bad it has the build quality of this spice rack
I mean it’s ok… It’s not ugly, but I personally wouldn’t call it pretty.
Pretty if you like flames, terrible if you worry about the environment, torn if you are both ;-;
To each their own when it comes to aesthetics, I guess 🤷
The build quality is still objectively abysmal though, that’s not a matter of opinion…
Yea, the early ones were bad but current Model 3s and Ys are good.
I find that hard to believe since this is the kind of welding that they deem acceptable on an S Plaid:
I thought it was pretty when it was novel, but it’s been around long enough now that it just kind of blends in. I think it’s still a nice clean design, but not really eye catching anymore.
And your car steals all your personal information because it is part of a massive data mining operation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcu2YUCa0lA
lego car
I mean Lego bricks actually fit into each other without gaps
Touché
Not employing American auto workers union employees and having people work for the lowest wages you can possibly pay really leads to the most quality product imaginable.
Guess where a lot of airplane parts are made too.
The Elon hate is super cringe.
Like every other CEO is a great guy. Yea go buy off a car company that has done everything in their power to keep you using fossil fuels and everything possible to sell you the biggest shitties car with the most expensive features. Much better idea.
Elon defenders are super cringe. This guy goes above and beyond to show that he’s a douche that cares for no one but himself. He deserves to be call be called out. Of course, he doesn’t care but you should.
Also, wonder how the electricity for your tesla is generated? Fossil fuels mostly.
One of those spinny things on a stick outside or by that orange ball in the sky.
I don’t think he was defending Elon. I think he’s saying that pretty much all CEO’s are just as bad. They’re just not public figures so few people know.
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I think the problem is he’s a giant douchenozzle ruining free speech and the cars are very poorly designed compared to many other EVs.
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I mean so are chrysler dodge but no one trashes them as much, and they have had decades ahead of Tesla to sort it out
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Ha, no. But worked in Windsor/Detroit auto industry for too long. people there love their Didge/Chrysler products, but they had terrible gap spacings, faulty products right from factory, and terrible repair record with mechanics. The cheap price correlates to the level of quality though
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My semi professional opinion ( since I exited automotive right around Tesla’s public vehicle launch ) they are rushing to compete in an established market. It takes a long time to dial in quality on the stampings and frame, especially if material vendors change or others uses to ramp up production. They are focusing on production numbers to stay viable as a company. The early model had a comparable front lens design to other competitiors, the rear lens was a cheap get this assmebly done type design. Focus was on the front because everyone looks at the front of car for press pictures etc
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For me the worst part about Tesla’s (and other electric cars in general) is when you’re driving behind one and they have the regenerative breaking set to maximum. When they release the gas and start coasting, they decelerate a lot quicker than I do when I start coasting behind them which forces me to brake constantly.
maybe just keep a bit of distance and don’t climb in their trunk? that also applies to non-EVs driving in front of you.
Even when I keep my distance, it’s happened to me plenty of times that I gotta press the brakes after the EV in front of me coasts for a while when I do the same. Non-EV’s don’t have the same issue since they coast down at the same speed as me. Not cool to assume that everyone drives like a Dodge RAM owner.
That’s really a driver problem not a car problem. You’d see the same behavior with a manual car in front too. I’ve got a Y and it’s the easiest thing in the world to keep a set distance with the guy in front.
They’re not talking about that. The issue is that with the aggressive regen braking, those cars decelerate very quickly, way more quickly than an ICE would with engine breaking. The lack of brake lights therefore means lots of drivers are caught off guard when a Tesla starts coasting before them, which sometimes almost feels like they’re on their brakes.
The brake lights come on when decel reaches a particular rate, which means it comes on when regen kicks in. Perhaps try driving one?
The engine braking on my 500cc bike is as aggressive, if not more, than my car. And that one’s got no decel based brake lights.
Ah didn’t know that!
Perhaps try driving one?
Yeah sure I’ll go test drive a Tesla without any intention of owning one just to see how regen braking works, good idea. Not sure why you chose to be all passive aggressive suddenly. Also, engine braking on a motorcycle is generally going to be more aggressive than cars, that’s simple physics (mass, momentum etc). Not really comparable.
Can you provide more detail on the physics?
in this thread weird nerds/bots/tsla pr marketing department gonna risk it all for elon
you know tesla does not have a pr department anymore? beepboop
Honestly I think they look pretty good.
But Elon is a fuck. And their build quality is shit. And I refuse to support that kind of company. And fuck people who do support them.
Honestly, why? Their “no harsh edges, flowing contours” looked good in 2010 but is now completely played out and ugly. Coupled with the fact that no Tesla has had a facelift in nearly a decade, I think they’re the ugliest cars on the road rn.
the cabin height being a giant bubble is what i dislike. they pretend to be smaller cars than they are. a small tesla next to a normal crossover vehicle is a good way to remind yourself how big they actually are.
One man’s “all look similar” is another man’s “strong design language”. I think BMW kidney grills are played out 30 years ago, but some people love them. Lambo wedges are played out. Jeep boxes are played out. Etc.
I personally like the no-harsh-edges look. I don’t think it’d look especially out of place if it was released this year.
But don’t get me started on the interior.
Idk, I talked with a bartender once who said he thought it would be amazing to drive one, and I said I didn’t think I could stomach it because of Musk, and he said I shouldn’t get political over a car. Well, they don’t interest me enough to ignore the Elon part.
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I’m Canadian.
It always blows my mind that capitalists say “then just vote with your wallet” until you use your wallet to vote differently than they want.
But but but cancel culture!
I rented one in California. I was never been so frustrated with a car before in my life. There are no knobs, for ANYTHING. Everything is done through the touchscreen. Try navigating the A/C system in traffic. Or as the sun goes down and the screen brightness doesn’t dim, blinding you as you drive. I will never buy a Tesla, and it starts with the UI of the car. Elon is just the icing on that shit cake.
I HATE that the auto industry is moving to soft buttons for everything
The screen dims just fine on my 2019. A previous driver probably turned it off on yours for whatever reason.
I also hate the lack of knobs but the voice commands and steering wheel buttons work well enough that I’ve come to terms with it.
The UI is not the worst I’ve ever had in a car, it sacrifices a lot in favor of simplicity and/or software but a lot of simple tasks can be done through voice or happen automatically.
Wipers are auto, headlights are auto, but if you need to adjust them without using a voice command, you’re gonna say “why can’t this just be like a normal car”
You do get used to a lot of the quirks pretty quick. But there are a lot of quirks to get used to.
Not an Elon fan, just got one for a steal of a deal through a family member.
sorry auto dimming and extra brightness are upgrade features not yet in the implementation pipeline :( lmao
I watched a friend of mine try to parallel park hers once and just about died laughing at how shit the autopark was. She said it kept determining that the right lane was actually the curb, so it would go through all of the motions of parking and then just stop in the middle of the street. Every time I read about or interact with a Tesla, I feel like I find out about something else they added because it looks or sounds cool but doesn’t actually work.
That auto-drive-ready car will be ready for auto-drive any time now, we swear!
This is one of the criticisms of the car that hits home for me. People are now replacing old Teslas which they bought ‘full self driving’ for without ever receiving the feature.
You can transfer your FSD license…
That’s a temporary thing to drive demand for this quarter, isn’t it?
What? The climate controls are always visible… how hard is it to tap or slide your finger on them.
Since it was a rental someone before you probably turned off auto brightness controls.
They’re just another hatchback and you can’t really tell that it’s a tesla except for the logo.
Same exact story. The whole first 2 hours I’m constantly having my kids Google Google how to lock the car, how do we adjust the mirrors, how do we turn it on, how do we change the radio station, how do we turn on the air, etc etc etc. On the third day my daughter is just trying to open the door and she yells “why is this car so fucking annoying?!”
It’s obvious it was designed by a child trying to look cool to the other kids.
Love those door handles.
To me they are the iPhone of cars. In a vacuum they are not bad looking, but every single one looks exactly the same. Just basic.
To me that’s kind of just the design language. Like how all BMWs look similar, or all Mazda’s look similar. Etc. Typically a strong recognizable brand is considered good, even in the auto industry.
And really idgaf if they all look the same. Model s, smaller model s (3), bigass model s(x), medium size Model s(y). That’s fine. I don’t need a single brand to offer everything, I can go to other brands for variety.
That said, fuck Tesla.
Honestly I think they look pretty good.
They used to, but they haven’t updated them, so now they look dated
Yeah, Kias look fancier now.
I’m not a car guy, I just don’t pay close attention. I drove a delivery van when the Tesla cars were gaining popularity, and I straight up had the thought one day how weird it was that there were a lot of '90s Ford Taurus sedans still on the road.
I won’t go so far to say they’re timeless, obviously, but I think the design has holding power. Their design language isn’t especially bold but it’s not out of place compared to newly released models from competitors. It’s disappointing that they haven’t made any bold changes, but I don’t think that means they’re dated.
But still, fuck em.
The S model is classy, I like it. All the others are awful.
No kidding. They build disposable cars, and the entire electric car industry is headed in this direction.
They last as long or longer than most ICE cars
They’ll last 20 years?
My parents have a 2013 Model S that’s doing just fine. It’ll last 20 years I’m sure.
I don’t doubt it can last 20 years, but I doubt any Tesla will last as long as an average Toyota. We know batteries have limited cycles. When an engine takes a shit it’s a few grand. When batteries take a shit, you’ll never even consider replacing them because they’re 5x-10x more expensive than the car is worth. So off to the landfill. Definitely saving the planet or much money buying a higher end model Tesla.
I think it becomes economical sensible for a lowest priced model 3 if you qualify for all the rebates (state and federal), otherwise it’s an early adopter tech toy.
There’s a lot of misinformation here that I’m not even going to bother to respond to
Ya that would be difficult for a Tesla fan. Easier just to make a baseless claim and pretend you could but simply don’t want to refute anything with facts.
I think they peaked at the 1st gen Model S (love the red), and it went downhill from there
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That’s pretty much every sporty electric car though
What are your top 5 in the USA?
So you keep accelerating? There is more to pleasure driving than going from 0-60 in 3 secs. I would even argue that’s not even enjoyable
That’s how they sell cars. Yeah they aren’t good, they have no quality control and they are ugly. But when the battery is full it goes really fast.
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Have driven one and been driven in one. Shit experience. Felt like a dumbed down car that was uncomfortable. It has a nice display in the middle, but that’s it. The upholstery felt like it was done by some cheap shop that didn’t give a crap. It definitely didn’t feel like “luxury” or even your preconceived notion of what is comfortable.
it is not luxury. i don’t know where this comes from…? it’s all the cheap stuff, but it works and is fun to drive.
I’ve gotten a few Teslas as Ubers; the back seats are godawful.
What are you talking about? I’ve been in a bunch of Tesla Ubers and it’s comfy back there and you get a great view. Definitely better than the average Uber
Model 3 backseat is pretty awful for anyone over 6’. And I say that as someone who owns a model 3
Yeah and they have no top end
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yeah, well, i don’t think musk deserves a lot of credit here. i don’t think he had an awful lot to do with the design and engineering…
I’ll let people decide where the credit goes. It is funny that his name is all over Tesla when people talk shit, but if you say anything good about it he’s practically irrelevant.
I’ll say this: I like the cars, I don’t like Elon. Regardless of how much he may have contributed to the success of Tesla
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I tried a few EVs, I’ve tried non Tesla charging stations. I drive a model 3 and I cannot stress how awful the experience of driving an EV (or even ICE cars) is shitty when comparing to a Tesla. I really can’t see myself buying something else for the moment. The whole driving, charging, entertainment experience is a complete bliss compared to other cars.
Amen. Fuck Tesla owners for doing something decent for the environment.
I often legitimately wonder what the planned obsolescence for Tesla cars are? How much oil went into the manufacturing and transportation of materials for the creation of Tesla cars? Additionallly, how much oil is saved by repairing an old car with good gas mileage?
This is all not to mention the many cyclists/pedestrians who in their sheer choice of mode of transportation contribute far less emissions than the Tesla driver.
Do the sums for a petrol car and then do the for any EV. Spoilers EV is always lower. And a EV only gets cleaner but an Ice still burns oil in some fashion for the rest of its life and burns it worse. I swear Americans are quite possibly the worst and most tribalistic people on lemmy
As battery tech evolves EVs will become much better and cheaper for battery replacement, extending their life. a company recently reported double battery density, which will first hit aero space and outer space tech, then laptop/phonr then cars. it will be a while, but progress is happening. A loy less oil went into Tesla autobody than regular car. think of all the castiron and aluminum, plastics and other comoponents in an ICE system, which aren’t used in tesla. and how much manf and transport required for it
EVs are the biggest load of green wash ever and on par with ‘clean coal’. They still use roads and carparks which are environmental waste lands, they also need power to run and their manufacturing and distribution process is definitely not environmentally friendly.
Not to mention that their CEO actively campaigned against public transport in a bid to sell more cars…
…as opposed to what? A horse and cart? We’re not all biking, running or taking a train to work. The fuck?!
If you’re forced to use a car to get to and from work in the inner city, you can blame your government and lobbyists. If you’re rural, it makes sense to use private transport, though I highly doubt it’ll be a Tesla.
Why would you highly doubt that?
These bad vehicles just ooze rottenness from every bad part… Simply bad beyond all infinite dimensions of possible badness.
Well, maybe they’re not that bad, but Lord, they’re not good.
I gotta give it to them.
The first two cars looked nice and they were the first to understand what makes an electric car good.
But they fucking lost that too by removing everything from the dashboard and moving to a single screen in the middle. Their build quality is shit (Even Trabants had smaller panel gaps holy shit) Repair costs for simple fixes are out of this world (There was a video where a technician repaced a hose for the cooling system for 130$ where Tesla wanted to replace the whole battery for 20000$) Elon is a nutjob that keeps breaking promises.
