• Bone
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      192 months ago

      There was one. He was 18 or 19. Over the summer.

      • @[email protected]
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        72 months ago

        I hope America makes a movie about him, with dramatic swelling music with a silouhette of him taking aim in the trailer.

  • @[email protected]
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    The only person who did something wrong was Trump, supported by his deputy. They did not only verbally attack Ukraine (and, by doing so, Europe), Trump and Vance didn’t even pretend to make a case for American interests, given Vance’s complaint about Zelensky who thanked U.S. ammunition workers in Pennsylvania when he travelled there, because, in the new U.S. administration’s view, this is seen as a support for the Democratic party.

    The only positive thing is that the meeting was held in front of TV cameras so the world could witness the self-sabotage of the United States of America. A ‘behind the scene’ treachery would supposedly be much more harmful to Ukraine. The picture becomes more complete if we look that earlier this week, the U.S. had already voted at the United Nations against Ukraine, siding with Russia and China.

    But now, the truth is out: The two men now holding the highest office in the White House are ready to sell the U.S. and its allies to the worst dictators on the globe, as Trump literally admires bad persons as he has been saying over and again. This is a signal the world has finally received. In Ukraine and Europe, but also in Taiwan, and the rest of the Asia-Pacific region, in Africa, in Latin America. It’s a tough issue for Ukraine and the democratic world that must now reorganize.

    But the toughest long-term challenge is already out for the U.S. Its allies’ lost trust won’t recover, and the world’s dictators will pursue their own goals (maybe even more than ever). The United States are alone in a connected, globalized world. And this means that, with or without Trump at the helm, it’ll become increasingly difficult to make America great again.

    I am convinced that this is not what the majority of U.S. people want for their country.

    [Edit typo.]

    • Muad'dib
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      202 months ago

      I’m worried America won’t be alone for long. Other countries have fascists to deal with too.

      If we resist them, we save the world. If we fail, the new world order will be Nazis everywhere.

  • @[email protected]
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    602 months ago

    Narrator: he didn’t.

    Trump managed to find a way to make me even more embarrassed for our country and angry at his douchebagness.

    Zelenskyy has the strength Private Bonespurs will never possess.

    • @[email protected]
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      332 months ago

      I saw that Pz Zelenskyy also thanked America for hosting him, as if he’d been calmly met by a proper head of state.

      It takes a special kind of statesman to be blindsided by two half-wit kids and harangued on TV and then treat it as if it was business as usual.

      Remember that Pz Zelenskyy is not your typical politician: he’s a comedian who won the seat. How is it that this Everyman is more a leader and a collaborator, and those two are clowns out of the slow car?

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        12 months ago

        It is because he is an Everyman. People who have lived among the ordinary folk, is much more likely to understand the world as it actually is. Dipshits like Trump and Elon never had to deal with bills or consequences, just the difficult decision of which supermodel to pork on a given day.

        Here’s hoping that the Free States of America gets a Zelensky.

      • @[email protected]
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        72 months ago

        I’ve been watching Hacks, and one thing a good comedian learns is how to read a room and handle a heckler. Zelenskyy knew he couldn’t just shut them down because of the power dynamics, but he also knew this wasn’t going to play well for Trump with the rest of the room. He didn’t back down and yet he didn’t take the bait to give them any real excuse to pull US support. They exposed their Russian puppet-strings for the world to see.

  • Zier
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    Fat Donnie did this to make Zelenskyy look bad (LOL) and shame him into complying on the “art of the steal” by a bully. It was also a way to make a public excuse for not supporting Ukraine and siding with his actual employer, puny putin.

    • @[email protected]
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      602 months ago

      Imagine if Reagan could have lived long enough to see a republican steal his “make america great again” slogan, turn it into a cult, and then use that cult to be submissive to russia.

      Takes a real shitbag to make Reagan look like the better option.

      • Zier
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        And I never thought I would se a President dumber than W. But the orange cancer sure blew that one away by 10,000,000 miles.

        • @[email protected]
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          72 months ago

          W. was certainly not the brightest bulb and unfortunately easily swayed by truly evil people around him (like Cheney), but I think as a president he always did what he thought was best for the country and its people. Trump only ever does what he thinks is best for himself.

          • @[email protected]
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            Nah he started the Iraq invasion because dubya has daddy issues and wanted to stick it to his old man. Fuck outta here with “he did what he thought was best for the country”

          • OBJECTION!
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            302 months ago

            Why the hell do liberals rehabilitate Bush like this? He invaded sovereign countries and began a 20 year long occupation, hundreds of thousands were killed in his wars, he also stripped away out civil liberties and conducted mass surveillance, indefinite detention without trial, and torture.

            “Always did what he thought was best for the people” what an absolute load of horseshit. I guess it just so happened that what he thought was best was to ship people off to kill and be killed while he and his buddies got rich off it.

            Like goddamn, what do I gotta do to get people carrying water for me like that? “Yeah I robbed a convenience store at gunpoint, which was bad, but you have to acknowledge that I was doing what I believed was best for the American people. It’s not my fault, it’s just all the people I chose to surround myself with who led me to do it.” Where is your hate? You should want that motherfucker to hang!

            • @[email protected]
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              I can always summarize my take on GW with that one time they ran a TV ad on how they added 2 new democracies to the olympic roster (I saw this fucking BS on CNN Europe live cca 2004 and it managed to make me fume even as a fairly apolitical young adult who then lived outside the US):

              Besides getting a huge whipping from the International Olympic Committee for using the Olympics for political ads being illegal (so incredibly on brand) this also aged like milk.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrE0eeQJEns

              • OBJECTION!
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                Holy shit, I never saw that. If I hadn’t lived through it I’d think that ad was a parody. The fucking smugness of it, I stg, Bush makes me hope Hell is real.

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    Yeah, I though Zelensky did a decent job of managing his emotions. Most of us would have popped Trump in the mouth before that had ended. (And WTF was up with that guy asking if Zelensky owned a suit? That should have been an automatic throat punch.) Being an American is embarrassing right now. My apologies to the rest of the world. We’re a dumpster fire.

    • @[email protected]
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      The answer to the suit question should have been like, “Russia destroyed my suit and Ukraine’s tailors are too busy sewing up wounds to spend time making a new one.”

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            42 months ago

            It’s funny because I’m sure he didn’t mean to be as snarky in that comment. “Costume” means “suit” in Ukrainian and Russian.

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            “Maybe something cheaper”

            Subtle dig, I’m sure it went way over their head.

      • @[email protected]
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        42 months ago

        That really does explain a lot. People (and I use that term very loosely here) like that should be launched into orbit and fucking left there to think about what they’ve done.

    • @[email protected]
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      262 months ago

      His attire has been a talking point of the pro-Russians for quite some time. It’s supposed to denote a lack of respect or something.

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        362 months ago

        Yeah, just like they would complain if he did wear a suit. There’s just no winning with these guys.

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          122 months ago

          Every foreign dignitary who visits the White House should wear a tan suit just for fun.

  • @[email protected]
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    He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance were the ones who threw a tantrum because zelensky didn’t immediately agree to their plan.

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      212 months ago

      And they were pissed he didn’t wear a suit 🤣

        • @[email protected]
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          212 months ago

          That guy is Brian Glenn. He’s a host on “Real America’s Voice”, a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.

          The attending “press” has been pre-selected and it’s not a stretch to assume that these people know what’s expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.

          • @[email protected]
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            Since I don’t watch I can only presume that they give equal time to Musk’s disrespect then, too.

          • @[email protected]
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            Exactly, it was all a setup to push the narrative that Ukraine doesn’t respect the Oval Office. Same reason Couch Fucker Vance kept saying “you haven’t even said thank you once.”

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              Which is a blatant lie because Zelensky has thanked the US many times… But that was under Biden.

              They wanted more thank you and possibly a genuflection.

      • @[email protected]
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        They want it to considered purely as a business deal. Any reminder that Zelenskyy is leading a country that’s fighting a war to defend their country from a dictator doesn’t fit their narrative.

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    A White House official told Axios that Zelensky’s interview on Fox was insufficient. “He keeps insisting on security guarantees on this economic deal, and we’ve made clear that won’t be part of this,” the official said.

    Yeah doh! If we give you actually security guarantees how are we going to let Putin invite you again next year?

    You can’t have everything zelenski! We can, and we want, but you can’t.

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    As an American, he did not. I’m sure he felt like he was in bizarro land where he acts perfectly reasonable and everyone around him is fucking crazy. That’s how all us non-MAGAts feel, too.

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      I understand why he didn’t, obviously, but the whole time I watched that happen all I could think was, “PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE”

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        I assume he must have gone back to his hotel room afterwards and just screamed in frustration for a solid hour. Or had a workout of with a punching bag with Trump and Vance’s faces on them.

        I’m truly astounded at the patience he showed during that event. It was infuriating to watch.

    • @[email protected]
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      32 months ago

      We all know liberals would fall all over themselves to try and beat right wingers to the virtue signaling of insisting how bad they think it is.

  • @[email protected]
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    112 months ago

    Most Americans that watched it don’t think he did anything wrong, either. Even a lot of conservatives think Trump’s behavior was disgraceful.