Summary
Donald Trump signed an executive order expanding presidential control over independent agencies, including the FTC, FCC, and SEC.
The order enforces the “unitary executive theory,” which argues the president has sole authority over the executive branch. It grants Trump’s budget chief, Russell Vought, oversight of these agencies’ performance and budgets.
The move is expected to face legal challenges, as past presidents have largely respected agency independence.
Trump defended the order, stating, “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
What is the legal argument against this? The article was paywalled, but the summay only says that past presidents have respected agency independence. That sounds like just a gentlemans agreement. Nothing legally binding. So do the challenges have a leg to stand on?
Think of it like a whole bunch of people standing around a $100 bill left on the ground. Everybody’s standing around waiting for the legitimate owner to come by and pick it up. Trump doesn’t give a shit about that. He’s gonna walk by, shove everyone aside, and grab it. When everyone else tries to stop him and say the money isn’t his, he’s just going to look at you and say “Who’s is it, and why haven’t they picked it up yet?” And while everybody else is standing around trying to figure out the answer to that, Trump is walking away with the money and saying “Finders keepers, asshole. It’s mine now”. Even if the original owner shows up later and tries to lay claim to the money, he’d have to prove that that specific $100 bill was his to begin with or the judge is just going to say that it’s Trump’s money now.
Think that, except with the power of the US government instead of a c-note. And Trump is hoping that the courts will use the same logic: since nobody else tried to claim the power before, and there’s nothing explicitly granting those powers to someone else, Trump is hoping that the courts will just let him keep those powers in a twisted form of finders-keepers. And given this court system, he very well might win.
Who would have thought the Air Bud defense would be the death knell of democracy in America?
What is the legal argument against this?
None. We stacked the court with Unitary Executive friendly judges a long time ago.
So do the challenges have a leg to stand on?
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MarshallRoberts has made his decision; now let him enforce it!Musk’s and his actions are illegal, or were illegal mostly before the Supreme Court decided there’s some sleezy presidential immunity. The problem is they are so firm and quick at changing the rules of the game that no institution can catch up and, most importantly, generally afraid they would be directly attacked by these fuckers. Some commenters preciously said that it’s stupid that most of people who could’ve challenged or straight up dismissed his executive orders are pussies for resigning or being complicit, but, in their defence, all of their personal data was leaked by Muskrat and he and Trump have a pardoned terrorist cell to carbomb them or whatever. And it’s snowballing from department to department, and every new one looks at those who already kneed to the maggot.
All these famous checks and balances were DDOSed and frightened into submission. i don’t think they were exceptionally and inherently fragile. it’s just the rightwing strategists just got the right guy, the right coverage and the right plan to make it all as easy as break-and-enter with absent homeowners.
There are laws against it but the Supreme Court gave the president total immunity so all those laws are now void
Well the boards are appointed by the President with Senate approval. The President can also remove a board member at any time. The board members are generally in pretty good control of the agency.
This seems like it is at most an attempt to end run the Senate but likely just an order to establish a liaison office once you parse everything. He’s passing all these sweeping language orders but also putting in that they should follow all applicable laws.
“He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.” It’s literally in the OP bro.
I don’t think there is a good one. It sounds like this is another one of those things where the rules were mostly relying on the idea that the people wouldn’t elect someone who was expected to try to do something like this.
I’m rewatching handmaid’s tale in absolute despair and I’m not even american. You people need to fight, not only for yourselves and your country but for the rest of us who are living in America’s shadow. You set yourself up as the land of the free - you can’t fall. There’s too much riding on you. We’ll all follow, if America goes. If Hitler was American…
And when you get rid of these assholes, don’t allow the same shitty systemic injustices. You need to institute a libertarian socialist society and start being a true leader for the rest of the world, no more robbing poor countries.
See, the thing is, America’s been propped up by toothpicks and Santa Claus-esque belief for most of our lifetimes. There were clearly no guardrails, no real systems in place, and no people with the willpower or actual dedication to the country to hold it against any level of dedicated attack. Hell, many of its people are so broken and systematically idiotic that they welcomed the attack as long as the got to guffaw and clap like seals at the people brought down to their god awful level.
It had to fall. It likely won’t rise again in any healthy, phoenix sort of way, but if it manages to do so, maybe it won’t only have the untested veneer of strength. But for now, it’s a corpse. Europe needs to save itself and not add their bodies to the cemetery, because what took down America is actively coming for the world.
No country has guard rails when you ignore the law dude
The guard rail should have been prosecuting Trump before he ran again. Or you can have enforcement come from outside the government by having strong unions that can shut down the economy if the government starts breaking the law and doing bad things. There are guard rails that can be put in place to help but the US has very few that are still left trying to hold back the illegal actions.
Trump voters in my area of the country are still extremely happy with what Trump and Musk are doing. When Trump eventually invests all of social security in his meme coin they will probably be thrilled with that too.
Once they get what they want and there’s no more gay, brown, women, or other religions, it will devolve into a contest of who is MAGA enough.
You’re not blonde enough. You need more flag flair pins. You don’t have the mandatory 5 trump posters, only 4. It never ends, there always needs to be an out group no matter what.
I had a guy accuse me of racism at work, even tho we’re both white, because I wasn’t “anglo Saxon enough” to be the same kind of white as him…
Like, I’m English/German ancestry, literally what the term Anglo-Saxon describes…
He was French ancestry which would make him Norman, the ones fighting Anglo Saxons…
There’s no logic to what they say or do, they hear a label is “us” and another label is “them” and they just go with it, never actually asking themselves what the terms mean and who actually fits under each label.
Shit broke my brain when he said it
Trump defended the order, stating, “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
Okay, Adolf.
Napoleon, actually. So, a different dictator, but still a dictator.
Wait, this was ACTUALLY a quote from a famous dictator? I thought I was just being snarky and connecting this comment to the kind of rhetoric famously used by dictators. I didn’t realize this is specific rhetoric used by a specific dictator.
You don’t even need to read between the lines anymore. Insane.
Absolutely literally -
that would mitch mcconnel.
It’s terrifying to think that there’s still nearly 4 years left of this.
Oh don’t worry. It won’t end in 4 years.
Unitary Executive Theory is a throwback to the Bush Jr Era (and if you dig deep enough you’ll find it back to Truman/Eisenhower/Nixon). Its a relic of the Cold War, when Americans were poisoned to the idea of popular government by the horrifying threat of Soviet infiltration.
You consolidate power in the executive branch - under guys like Hoover and Dulles and McNamara - so they can do the grisly work of squashing the Tankies at home and abroad without squeamish liberals in Congress or the courts getting in the way. Then we can have our liberty back, right after we have guaranteed our domestic security and our international sovereignty. Right after we’re confident our people will make the Right Choices at the ballot box.
This isn’t something that will end in 4 years because its something that has been ongoing for the last 80.
People forget about Bremer, the Elon Musk of Iraq.
People have been saying this is all the fault of the American people because they just didn’t vote against Trump. They’re right that it’s the fault of the American people, but it’s the fault of everyone who ignored the warnings people have been pushing about our corrupt government for generations. Alarm bells should have been sounded when the govt started rounding up pro-worker union leaders by calling them suspected communists. Riots in the streets should have started when George W Bush stole an election through the Supreme Court. Citizen’s United was the deathblow to any hope of democracy, and most Americans weren’t even aware it died. People have been sitting on the sidelines and letting the rich get away with whatever they want since before I was born in this country, it’s laughable to think anything will change.
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If Congress wasn’t filled with feckless lickspittles, they could just not fund the executive branch. But they are, so they will
How does that actually work with Musk and his merry band of douchebags in direct control of the mechanism by which the US government pays out money?
The US Constitution gives Congress sole control of “the purse” meaning all funding of the federal government. They allocate it and the executive branch spends it. If they weren’t trump’s puppets, they could stop allocating funds for him to misuse.
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Indubitably
Good thing we spent the 4 years between trump terms with a young, motivated go-getter who checks notes his in a closet for four years and was less seen/heard than any other president.
Moderates are not equipped to fight fascism, we can’t keep rotating between the two because the fascists will break more than a Neoliberal would ever want to fix.
Neither actually wants to fix shit, just keep their wealthy donors happy
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That’s a list of random things that happened during his presidency…
I have no idea how that’s relevant.
This would be tho:
In the 100 years since Calvin Coolidge took office, only Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan held as few news conferences each year as the current occupant of the Oval Office.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/21/us/politics/biden-public-appearances-media.html
He wasn’t fucking capable of being president. Even Chris Clizza admits it now, why can’t you?
Those four years was not the time to let Grandpa go in a Sunday cruise, we needed an actual fighter and moderates aren’t fighters.
Why are we still talking about Biden? How does this serve us? Regardless of how we drove here, we’ve landed in S-Town.
So now we either live with the stink, build ourselves a waste treatment facility, or GTFO.
Why are we still talking about Biden?
Because we can’t afford to make the same mistake we made in the last three presidential elections…
People said “why are we still talking about Hillary” after 2016, so we didn’t learn the lesson and repeated it in 2020.
Then Biden barely won and we couldn’t say anything because he was president, so we didn’t learn the lesson.
And ran another uncharismatic candidate who was further right than Dem voters, for a 3rd election in a row and lost.
Id ask why moderate politicianss never want voters to discuss their failings, but that’s obvious.
What I want to know is why voters do what you’re doing right now.
How is understanding past mistakes to prevent repeating them not important to you?
Biden was bye bye 9 months ago, my dude. I’m sorry he hurt you in the feefees.
The president is not a king, there are a lot of congress critters who also got us to this point. And those don’t get elected nationally. It’s systemic. I don’t foresee us making significant systemic changes to the system this cycle… unless they are to our detriment.
For me, now is the time to recruit, to protest, to get active and get people active. If we want to keep our country, we need to be out in the streets saying this ain’t right. The leaders of the movement will bubble up naturally. And yeah, you’re probably right in that they’ll likely be a whole hell of a lot more passionate than a cluster of 80 year old geriatrics.
The one thing that would have stopped all this and put things on a different path is immediately lock up Trump and co-conspirators under solid treason charges, it was easy to prove as well.
But the wishy washy and slow way the investigation and justice machine rolled is what gave Trump all the chances.
He got to puff up his ego for years on being unjustly attacked, and (re)grow the cult around him.
He got his supreme court to give him king-like powers (and now he claims the rest of the kingly might and immunity).
He got Elon Musk to spy on everyone, steal all private data including home adresses to sick cultists to… and Elon now has the means to destroy the financial transaction of anyone against the regime…
The blame for it all was not directly on Biden, the democrats nor on the elections themselves, this was on a system that was apathetic and waiting out time for the one thing to happen.
And again the system is waiting out time to see what happens at the next elections, but that will turn out to be a mirage, Trump and co will not relinquish power anymore.
All of it was stopped if Trump was locked up. He should never have been a 2nd candidate, not just not eligible but locked up for decades.
The democrats would indeed need to find more charismatic leadership with fighting spirit, but the MAGA camp had been given a crippling blow.
Now the world watches as the USA destroys itself permanently, has its influence drift away on the winds, and loses everything to its ages old communist enemy Russia.
Hitler went to jail. He used that time to write a book outlining his plan.
I don’t think even Trump thought he was going to win this time. Nearly half the voting population didn’t want him to. A huge swath of people sat out this election, we’re here because of them. Yea, some of that is on Biden, some rests on Harris, some rests on the DNC, but the people who saw the choice and decided to sit it out also deserve a lot of the blame.
But that doesn’t matter now. The damned thing happened. We got here. Life doesn’t always happen the way we want. It’s now up to all of us who care about our future, the future for our kids and the future of our country to step up. This is our historical moment.
This is the one that history books will write about. We need to stand up and rise up to the moment. We have to fight the tyranny. That means some of us will be imprisoned. That means some of us will die. And that sucks, like really really sucks. I’ve been on this planet for 40+ years now. If I don’t take a stand now, for the country I love, for the people I love, then why the hell am I even here? I want to live life in the way I want to live it, not how someone else dictates it.
And I challenge you to do the same, for your life depends on it. It’s time to rise. It’s time to act. It’s time to fight.
Biden was bye bye 9 months ago, my dude. I’m sorry he hurt you in the feefees.
Factually untrue, and I don’t have much time for people who talk like trump supporters
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Also, this time we have fascists with a plan at hand. They even say beforehand what they will do and no one bats an eye, until “wait, they were serious?”
They did their homework and are swiftly taking over.
Trump’s abhorrent smug face of late tells everything we need to know if they are succeeding or not.
Biden was an opportunity for the old Republican party to prevail. Instead they rolled out the carpet for MAGA, and now they are rolling it for an authoritarian dictatorship. Frankly, had the democratic stoked more attention, the more bullshit that would have been spun up about them. The root of the problem is that MAGA was getting propped up with control of social networks personality cults and the sort of modern day profile targeting a shitload of money can provide.
God what a fucking terrible anus mouth. I hate when it smiles.
As a German, this is precisely what comes to mind
He’s so Meta. A Dictator dictating that he can dictate.
Legal challenges? They are ignoring the courts. How will that change anything?
When do we start exercising our second amendment on this tyrannical dictator?
Remember about this in the next terms when the new president will not revert this order.
You’re basically saying both parties are the same. Clearly you want us to stay home and are a Vance supporter. I assume you don’t organize locally, so you should go do that instead of impotently criticizing your allies in the DNC. /s
You’re basically saying both parties are the same.
Yes, remember about this the next term